UK - 39 bodies found in lorry, Essex, 23 October 2019

[Jealoushe]

Exactly .... so well before R620 collected GTR1280

What are these abbreviations? Also can you elaborate what you are meaning? I will assume you mean the trailer to the truck?

It doesn't really matter when they died (in terms of the investigation), it matters who was in on the agreement to traffic these victims.

 

[alice500]

Is anyone reading actually familiar with the procedures relating to this sort of fright handling? Are empty containers sealed? ie do they have official tags attached which need to be broken / cut to gain entry?

Sorry .. tchnical question

What are these abbreviations? Also can you elaborate what you are meaning? I will assume you mean the trailer to the truck?

It doesn't really matter when they died (in terms of the investigation), it matters who was in on the agreement to traffic these victims.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The victims were dead approximately 10 hrs they believe.

The 10 hours thing came from a Belgian official who insisted their heat cameras would have identified that there were live people on board. He infers that they must have been dead already by the time they reached Belgium.

But what time was the Vietnamese text sent, I thought that was 10:30pm the night before, i.e 3 hours before the doors were opened? So I'm confused, or wrong, or someone else is wrong.

 

[alice500]

The tractor is a Scania R620 .... see the photos

The trailer is DTR1280 ... ditto

The only evidence (I have seen so far) shows these coming together in Purfleet ....an hour before the ambulance services were called .

I would argue that there is (as yet) no published evidence of trafficking .... it may well be true .. but at the moment I would suggest that it is speculation.

The driver is being held on a charge of murder, and this seems a little odd, if his contact with the trailer was only after the deaths.

The couple from Warrington are reported as being charged with manslaughter... no mention of trafficking.

If one is travelling between the EU and the UK, and someone stows aboard your vehicle, without your knowledge .. and dies in the process .. then my understanding is that you could be charged with manslaughter .. despite knowing nothing about the event .. apart from the conclusion.

I am not a lawyer .. so would welcome clarification.

 

[Sillybilly]

Belgian customs only check one in 400 ship containers’ papers at Zeebrugge, it has emerged, as questions over border checks intensified after the deaths of 39 Chinese migrants in a refrigerated lorry from the port.

OR ...

Just one in every 100 sealed containers at Zeebrugge are x-rayed, and none are checked for heat, according to authorities at the Belgian port through which the 39 people found dead in the back of a lorry in Essex are believed to have travelled.

So which is correct Zeebrugge ... 1 in 100 or 1 in 400 containers get checked?

 

[alice500]

The 10 hours thing came from a Belgian official who insisted their heat cameras would have identified that there were live people on board. He infers that they must have been dead already by the time they reached Belgium.

But what time was the Vietnamese text sent, I thought that was 10:30pm the night before, i.e 3 hours before the doors were opened? So I'm confused, or wrong, or someone else is wrong.

I though the 10 hours was the length of the ferry crossing ... and the fact that non-one could have entered the container in that time.

I also understood that the authorities did not use heat cameras on sealed reefers

the texts are reported as being sent a couple of hours before arriving at Purfleet .... is 8 hours into a 10 hour ferry journey

 

[CSIDreamer]

The tractor is a Scania R620 .... see the photos

The trailer is DTR1280 ... ditto

The only evidence (I have seen so far) shows these coming together in Purfleet ....an hour before the ambulance services were called .

I would argue that there is (as yet) no published evidence of trafficking .... it may well be true .. but at the moment I would suggest that it is speculation.

The driver is being held on a charge of murder, and this seems a little odd, if his contact with the trailer was only after the deaths.

The couple from Warrington are reported as being charged with manslaughter... no mention of trafficking.

If one is travelling between the EU and the UK, and someone stows aboard your vehicle, without your knowledge .. and dies in the process .. then my understanding is that you could be charged with manslaughter .. despite knowing nothing about the event .. apart from the conclusion.

I am not a lawyer .. so would welcome clarification.

Reports from MSM state the additional arrests include suspicion of trafficking.

Edit grammar.

 

[Elainera]

The 10 hours thing came from a Belgian official who insisted their heat cameras would have identified that there were live people on board. He infers that they must have been dead already by the time they reached Belgium.

But what time was the Vietnamese text sent, I thought that was 10:30pm the night before, i.e 3 hours before the doors were opened? So I'm confused, or wrong, or someone else is wrong.

It confused me too until someone upthread here speculated that possibly the cooling system was turned on to fool the heat detectors, and was supposed to be turned off after the inspection but that didn't happen. So they could have been still alive when the container was loaded on the ferry and then slowly died during the 10 hr trip.

Having said that, the theory of them freezing has now been questioned by some members here because the Vietnamese woman texted that she couldn't breath.

Maybe the amount of oxygen was miscalculated by our smuggler friends.

Not sure if I'm making much sense here .... I think we don't know enough yet to form sound theories.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Ferry leave Zeebrugge at 1600 for a 9 hour crossing. If the trailer was recorded as arriving at zeebrugge at 1449 (?) Or thereabouts that would about fit right, would it?

 

[CSIDreamer]

Ferry leave Zeebrugge at 1600 for a 9 hour crossing. If the trailer was recorded as arriving at zeebrugge at 1449 (?) Or thereabouts that would about fit right, would it?

1600 is 4 pm. 9 hours would be 0100. Unless I've just lost my ability to calculate 24 hour times.

But that would be just about right for his distance of travel and approximate 0140 emergency call.

 

[Mommysleuth11]

1600 is 4 pm. 9 hours would be 0100. Unless I've just lost my ability to calculate 24 hour times.

I understand that, but ships can and do dock early at times.
Having looked again it appears it docks earlier on a Mon/Tues, 0001.

 

[Ched]

The tractor is a Scania R620 .... see the photos

The trailer is DTR1280 ... ditto

The only evidence (I have seen so far) shows these coming together in Purfleet ....an hour before the ambulance services were called .

I would argue that there is (as yet) no published evidence of trafficking .... it may well be true .. but at the moment I would suggest that it is speculation.

The driver is being held on a charge of murder, and this seems a little odd, if his contact with the trailer was only after the deaths.

The couple from Warrington are reported as being charged with manslaughter... no mention of trafficking.

If one is travelling between the EU and the UK, and someone stows aboard your vehicle, without your knowledge .. and dies in the process .. then my understanding is that you could be charged with manslaughter .. despite knowing nothing about the event .. apart from the conclusion.

I am not a lawyer .. so would welcome clarification.

The girls brother confirms a lot , they have had £30k refunded Two more arrests over 39 lorry deaths

I’m sure the police have therefore found a burner phone in the fridge and will see the message confirmed by brother .

they will have all not had any ID on them incase of capture so she’s written her details on phone as she knows she dying

 

[CSIDreamer]

I understand that, but ships can and do dock early at times.
Having looked again it appears it docks earlier on a Mon/Tues, 0001.

I read your comment completely backwards. Oops.

 

[GimmeAclueBlue]

Essex lorry deaths: Vietnamese families fear relatives among dead

In this link it also says the poor young lady tried to get over on the 19th but got caught. I wonder if it was agreed with the same people and its a regular thing for this company

 

[Mommysleuth11]

Cobelfret

I dont know if this is the correct crossings. Moo

 

[Jealoushe]

The tractor is a Scania R620 .... see the photos

The trailer is DTR1280 ... ditto

The only evidence (I have seen so far) shows these coming together in Purfleet ....an hour before the ambulance services were called .

I would argue that there is (as yet) no published evidence of trafficking .... it may well be true .. but at the moment I would suggest that it is speculation.

The driver is being held on a charge of murder, and this seems a little odd, if his contact with the trailer was only after the deaths.

The couple from Warrington are reported as being charged with manslaughter... no mention of trafficking.

If one is travelling between the EU and the UK, and someone stows aboard your vehicle, without your knowledge .. and dies in the process .. then my understanding is that you could be charged with manslaughter .. despite knowing nothing about the event .. apart from the conclusion.

I am not a lawyer .. so would welcome clarification.

I don't think formal charges have been laid. The driver is just being held and questioned at this point.

Even if he only drove to load 10 feet, if he knew what the cargo was agreed he is responsible.

 

[Mrs Marple]

The conditions the 39 victims suffered inside the Essex lorry

This is not nice reading. Major points copied:

Ambulance crew and police noted there was no cargo in the lorry apart from the tragic victims.

The source said the fact the bodies appeared to be in early stage rigor mortis shows most, if not all, were dead when Robinson picked up the container at Purfleet at 1.05am.

Belfast Live can reveal the container with the migrants travelled as an unaccompanied trailer on the ship MV Clementine from Zeebrugge sailing at 3pm on Tuesday. It docked at 12.30am on Wednesday at Purfleet. Robinson picked up the trailer 35 minutes later.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I had a thought. I'll research in a bit but want to put it out there. The text to Vietnam. Wouldn't that show time received based on time zone of the mother's phone? Time difference?

 

[CSIDreamer]

Rigor Mortis - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics Rigor Mortis - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

Fully developed rigor mortis is an easily identifiable and reliable indicator that death has occurred. The time of onset is variable but it is usually considered to appear between 1 and 6 hours (average 2–4 hours) after death. Depending on the circumstances, rigor mortis may last for a few hours to several days.

 

[Mrs Marple]

Yes it would, l mentioned this earlier- might enable a timeframe now we know what tube the boat left?