UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #2

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  • #601
Will they try to claim transference? As in via a 3rd party
Quite possible, but highly implausible in the case of the boxers. The forensic scientist herself said the material did not shed easily so even more remote the fibres would transfer via a third party.
 
  • #602
Thinking back to the CCTV and the shadows rather than clear footage. TM is thin going by the pics. The accused isn’t fat as such but he looks to be broad and in good shape. I think both will be easy identifiable in comparison to the other..IMO
 
  • #603
Will they try to claim transference? As in via a 3rd party
After today's forensic evidence so far, i think the defence will do whatever they can.
 
  • #604
Will they try to claim transference? As in via a 3rd party
perhaps he could try to claim that the reason a fibre from his boxers and/or joggers being found on Alesha's vest is because it transferred to Toni when they allegedly had sex in the shed....and then he said she went back to plant his semen onto Alesha's body...he could claim that whilst she did this the fibre from his boxers which was now on Toni's clothing then got transferred to Alesha's.....

I didn't explain very well but hopefully you know what I mean...

I don't believe this happened FYI, I'm just considering that he might try to claim this..
 
  • #605
Such slow reporting today, anyone know when court will finish for the day roughly? Looks like the prosecutions case is going to be carried over to tomorrow. Just not enough hours in the day..
 
  • #606
Quite possible, but highly implausible in the case of the boxers. The forensic scientist herself said the material did not shed easily so even more remote the fibres would transfer via a third party.
Not sure if it means does not shed easily from the boxers material...not sure if how easy they are transferred is the same thing?
 
  • #607
perhaps he could try to claim that the reason a fibre from his boxers and/or joggers being found on Alesha's vest is because it transferred to Toni when they allegedly had sex in the shed....and then he said she went back to plant his semen onto Alesha's body...he could claim that whilst she did this the fibre from his boxers which was now on Toni's clothing then got transferred to Alesha's.....

I didn't explain very well but hopefully you know what I mean...

I don't believe this happened FYI, I'm just considering that he might try to claim this..

As someone explained upthread this defence just isn’t plausible given that the boxers don’t shed easily and therefore would need to be on a direct contact basis, not via a 3rd party!
 
  • #608
perhaps he could try to claim that the reason a fibre from his boxers and/or joggers being found on Alesha's vest is because it transferred to Toni when they allegedly had sex in the shed....and then he said she went back to plant his semen onto Alesha's body...he could claim that whilst she did this the fibre from his boxers which was now on Toni's clothing then got transferred to Alesha's.....

I didn't explain very well but hopefully you know what I mean...

I don't believe this happened FYI, I'm just considering that he might try to claim this..
I'm glad you explained this, this was my thinking but couldn't put it into words.
 
  • #609
Thinking back to the CCTV and the shadows rather than clear footage. TM is thin going by the pics. The accused isn’t fat as such but he looks to be broad and in good shape. I think both will be easy identifiable in comparison to the other..IMO

He doesn't look that broad to me, but yeah Toni looks thinner. Also he looks quite short, whereas Toni looks taller than him.
 
  • #610
Not sure if it means does not shed easily from the boxes material...not sure if how easy they are transferred is the same thing?

Given only some fibres were found i’d Say they didn’t shed easily and contact would have to have been direct.
 
  • #611
Not sure if it means does not shed easily from the boxes material...not sure if how easy they are transferred is the same thing?
Good point.
 
  • #612
As someone explained upthread this defence just isn’t plausible given that the boxers don’t shed easily and therefore would need to be on a direct contact basis, not via a 3rd party!
Is shedding relevant to transference?
 
  • #613
Given only one fibre was found i’d Say they didn’t shed easily and contact would have to have been direct.
Let’s hope so.
 
  • #614
If I recall correctly, one of the witnesses on Friday said that the accused was wearing grey joggers on the night of the party when he found him crying.
 
  • #615
Such slow reporting today, anyone know when court will finish for the day roughly? Looks like the prosecutions case is going to be carried over to tomorrow. Just not enough hours in the day..

It's usually around 4pm.
 
  • #616
Given only one fibre was found i’d Say they didn’t shed easily and contact would have to have been direct.
Not convinced on that as shedding refers to the type of material...once shed its possible it's as easy to transfer as any other material
 
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He doesn't look that broad to me, but yeah Toni looks thinner. Also he looks quite short, whereas Toni looks taller than him.

Wasn't Toni behind a screen? If so, how will the jury know her build is different? Maybe they will have an expert testify how it could not be her?
 
  • #619
He doesn't look that broad to me, but yeah Toni looks thinner. Also he looks quite short, whereas Toni looks taller than him.
One of the teenage witnesses said he was into weightlifting and was in good shape i think. As we have not seen any recent photos of the accused, in my mind he is quite broad and muscly.
 
  • #620
Defence asking witness about fibres from the black Nike top which were NOT found on Alesha’s clothing.


Witness agrees she would expect to see Nike top fibres on Alesha’s vest if she was being carried.

Connor Gillies on Twitter
 
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