Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #5 *M. Bridger guilty*

[PADDYWHACK]

the first and last name of the witness was given m***** H*****

how can anyone not know who the parents are

And they would certainly know who Bridger was.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

But has he ever lived on the estate? And how much involvement has he actually had with his own children who live there?

Remember, his eldest son who does live on the estate (although the "friendly locals" are trying to drive him out) said "He has never been in my life. I have only met him on a couple of occasions".

That could be for a number of reasons and a lot of female ex partners use the children as pawns to get what they want. Even going as far as denying the father access. It could also be that, that particular relationship was not a relationship and just a quick fling. MB is a womaniser.

 

[Amber34]

But has he ever lived on the estate? And how much involvement has he actually had with his own children who live there?

Remember, his eldest son who does live on the estate (although the "friendly locals" are trying to drive him out) said "He has never been in my life. I have only met him on a couple of occasions".

He was married to one and has two children with another - I'm guessing they were together for more than five minutes, and he had to have been around there at least twice!

Seriously, he took the kids crabbing for the day - the only reason that event was mentioned was because April allegedly went along too. I can't imagine their mum would let him turn up out of the blue after 10 years and send them out with him for the day if the children were not familiar with him. He allegedly turned up to parent evening - I would think there would have been a bit more surprise expressed if that was the first time his kids had seen him.

But, if you want to believe there is a chance MH got a good look at MB when it was dusk/dark and thought to herself, "By 'eck, who's that bloke, never seen him before" then that's your prerogative.

I am probably pressing more toward the likelihood (although not definite) than the outside chances.

 

[Insp.Dots]

All this debate around whether or not MH knew MB seems pointless when we don't know that MH even saw MB in the vehicle...Remember this is a 7yr old standing (at best) beside April, she may not have seen his face, it is a high vehicle next to a 7yr old child!
Also, did she know the car? Why would she unless she had been in it or next to it before. Most of the cars aren't parked outside houses but at Garages and on the road behind.
Again, we don't know what MH has said to LE, she could well have said she had seen the car before and she thought it might be MB....Imagine the questioning this girl would have gone through when CJ appeared and said April was missing. I should imagine all hell broke loose and possibly when MH said one thing half a dozen adults then fired questions at her. As far as I know all we have is what VF and her sister AF reported to the media and what the LE have said in press conferences.....there is only 1 definite and that is April got into a vehicle!

 

[veggiefan]

You might not know them, but would you recognise them?

No, in most cases I would not. People go out to work all day, and at the weekend disappear in their cars. You often don't get to see a lot of your neighbours, apart from those living close by.

 

[Insp.Dots]

He was married to one and has two children with another - I'm guessing they were together for more than five minutes, and he had to have been around there at least twice!

Seriously, he took the kids crabbing for the day - the only reason that event was mentioned was because April allegedly went along too. I can't imagine their mum would let him turn up out of the blue after 10 years and send them out with him for the day if the children were not familiar with him. He allegedly turned up to parent evening - I would think there would have been a bit more surprise expressed if that was the first time his kids had seen him.

But, if you want to believe there is a chance MH got a good look at MB when it was dusk/dark and thought to herself, "By 'eck, who's that bloke, never seen him before" then that's your prerogative.

I am probably pressing more toward the likelihood (although not definite) than the outside chances.

He took HIS kids and April crabbing NOT MH!!!

 

[Amber34]

All this debate around whether or not MH knew MB seems pointless when we don't know that MH even saw MB in the vehicle...Remember this is a 7yr old standing (at best) beside April, she may not have seen his face, it is a high vehicle next to a 7yr old child!
Also, did she know the car? Why would she unless she had been in it or next to it before. Most of the cars aren't parked outside houses but at Garages and on the road behind.
Again, we don't know what MH has said to LE, she could well have said she had seen the car before and she thought it might be MB....Imagine the questioning this girl would have gone through when CJ appeared and said April was missing. I should imagine all hell broke loose and possibly when MH said one thing half a dozen adults then fired questions at her. As far as I know all we have is what VF and her sister AF reported to the media and what the LE have said in press conferences.....there is only 1 definite and that is April got into a vehicle!

BBM

I was just thinking the same. We can only apply logic and try to pick the bones out of the information on MSM and the police information. People can believe what they want to believe but right now the focus should be on where April could be and whether we can pull together to try to work that out.

 

[Amber34]

He took HIS kids and April crabbing NOT MH!!!

I didn't suggest he took MH crabbing.

I'm missing your point.

Mine was that he had to be familiar with his own children AND April to take them out, therefore the chances are he would have been seen around the estate by more than just those 3 kids.

 

[Clio]

But has he ever lived on the estate? And how much involvement has he actually had with his own children who live there?

Remember, his eldest son who does live on the estate (although the "friendly locals" are trying to drive him out) said "He has never been in my life. I have only met him on a couple of occasions".

Whether he lived on the estate or not, he seems to have been a regular visitor there. He was friends with PJ. It was reported that he visited his children S & C from his time with EG nee ED. Indeed on FB, S & C have his surname. He took S & C "crabbing" and April went along. He went to the parents evening, presumably because of his children. So it seems fair to say that he was not as estranged from ED/EG as he was from the split with his wife JW.

 

[Clio]

That could be for a number of reasons and a lot of female ex partners use the children as pawns to get what they want. Even going as far as denying the father access. It could also be that, that particular relationship was not a relationship and just a quick fling. MB is a womaniser.

It's probably not important but he was married to JW for a couple of years so not exactly a quick fling.

 

[veggiefan]

He reportedly lived with VF

Really? The report I read said that VF was his girlfriend for 11 months until recently, but not that he lived with her. For most of this year he lived in Llanbrynmair before moving to Caenws. Whether or not she moved in with him in Llanbrynmair I do not know.

 

[veggiefan]

He was married to one and has two children with another - I'm guessing they were together for more than five minutes, and he had to have been around there at least twice!

But that was years ago. In this context we are discussing whether a 7-year old child recognised him. Remember that he was living 11 miles away in Llanbrynmair, and then in Caenws, for most of the last year.

But, if you want to believe there is a chance MH got a good look at MB when it was dusk/dark and thought to herself, "By 'eck, who's that bloke, never seen him before" then that's your prerogative.

I believe no such thing. MH clearly didn't recognise him, since AJ assured her that it was OK because she (AJ ) knew him. So clearly MH did not, otherwise there would have been no need to say this. Also, LE would have been able to identify his car very much more quickly than they did had MH been able to identify that it was MB.

 

[Insp.Dots]

For those who were asking,

MB- The Suspect
AJ- Victim (lives on estate)
CJ- Victims Mum (lives on estate)
PJ- Victims Dad (lives on estate)

EG/ED- Suspects Ex and Mum to his kids SB & CB Also ED 5yrs old child (with husband now) Who is one of Aprils best friends. (lives on estate)
RG-ED's husband (lives on estate)

MH-7yr old Child WITNESS, friend of AJ and ED, the trio had played together all summer.
LH- MH's Mum (lives on estate)

KG-ED's sister, who also had 2 children with PJ

JJ-Aprils sister 16 (lives on estate)
HJ-Aprils Brother 11 (lives on estate)

DS-CJ's Step Dad
LS-CJ's Mum

VF- Suspects latest ex GF, (lives on estate)
AF- VF's sister (both have spoken to the Media)

JW-Suspects 1st wife with whom he had 3 children. (lives on estate)
SW-Suspects 'middle' son, who only met him this year (lives on estate)
CR-Suspects GF before VF

RM-CJ's Father
JM-CJ's Step-mother
MR-April's God mother (lives Aberystwyth)

CS-friend of CJ, VF & EG WITNESS who saw a man with Black bag on riverside
GE- Ex neighbour of MB Llanbrynmair
BE-ex neighbour and friendly with MB Llanbrynmair

 

[Insp.Dots]

I didn't suggest he took MH crabbing.

I'm missing your point.

Mine was that he had to be familiar with his own children AND April to take them out, therefore the chances are he would have been seen around the estate by more than just those 3 kids.

Sorry, I read it as you thought he'd taken MH too. :banghead:

 

[Clio]

For those who were asking,

MB- The Suspect
AJ- Victim (lives on estate)
CJ- Victims Mum (lives on estate)
PJ- Victims Dad (lives on estate)

EG/ED- Suspects Ex and Mum to his kids SB & CB Also EG 5yrs old child (with husband now) Who is one of Aprils best friends. (lives on estate)
RG-ED's husband (lives on estate)

MH-7yr old Child WITNESS, friend of AJ and ED, the trio had played together all summer.
LH- MH's Mum (lives on estate)

KG-ED's sister, who also had 2 children with PJ

JJ-Aprils sister 16 (lives on estate)
HJ-Aprils Brother 11 (lives on estate)

DS-CJ's Step Dad
LS-CJ's Mum

VF- Suspects latest ex GF, (lives on estate)
AF- VF's sister (both have spoken to the Media)

JW-Suspects 1st wife with whom he had 3 children. (lives on estate)
SW-Suspects 'middle' son, who only met him this year (lives on estate)
CR-Suspects GF before VF

RM-CJ's Father
JM-CJ's Step-mother
MR-April's God mother (lives Aberystwyth)

CS-friend of CJ, VF & EG WITNESS who saw MB with Black bag on riverside
GE- Ex neighbour of MB
BE-ex neighbour and friendly with MB

In previous cases, a poster created a list similar to this which was really useful. In that case, the names of individuals (not minors) were stated explicitly and initials assigned. The post was maintained by a single person and added at the front of every new thread. That way we could all use initials in our posts and everyone could refer back to a single list and nobody got confused. Perhaps it would be worth asking a mod if we could do that here.

ETA otherwise, a very useful post just gets lost in the thread and people can't find it.

 

[PADDYWHACK]

I didn't suggest he took MH crabbing.

I'm missing your point.

Mine was that he had to be familiar with his own children AND April to take them out, therefore the chances are he would have been seen around the estate by more than just those 3 kids.

Not only familiar, but trusted.

 

[Insp.Dots]

BBM

I was just thinking the same. We can only apply logic and try to pick the bones out of the information on MSM and the police information. People can believe what they want to believe but right now the focus should be on where April could be and whether we can pull together to try to work that out.

Very good point......So where do we think he went AFTER driving from the estate?
Do we have evidence he would have only gone a certain way? I remember someone mentioning Road Blocks.

I am thinking he was either so angry he didn't care who saw him or he wasn't thinking at all!!

I personally don't believe it was a sexual motive so was she taken for some kind of revenge, I feel he didn't intend to kill, but something went drastically wrong??

in my opinion it was against CJ/PJ somehow.....he took APRIL, no other child...it wasn't random....

Thoughts please??

 

[Insp.Dots]

In previous cases, a poster created a list similar to this which was really useful. In that case, the names of individuals (not minors) were stated explicitly and initials assigned. The post was maintained by a single person and added at the front of every new thread. That way we could all use initials in our posts and everyone could refer back to a single list and nobody got confused. Perhaps it would be worth asking a mod if we could do that here.

ETA otherwise, a very useful post just gets lost in the thread and people can't find it.

Thanks, yes I agree. I wasn't sure I was allowed to put the Adults names but will happily edit if someone confirms I can:rocker:

 

[PADDYWHACK]

But that was years ago. In this context we are discussing whether a 7-year old child recognised him. Remember that he was living 11 miles away in Llanbrynmair, and then in Caenws, for most of the last year.



I believe no such thing. MH clearly didn't recognise him, since AJ assured her that it was OK because she (AJ ) knew him. So clearly MH did not, otherwise there would have been no need to say this. Also, LE would have been able to identify his car very much more quickly than they did had MH been able to identify that it was MB.

That is only if the girl did say that, or even that April said it to the girl.

 

[Amber34]

_______________________________________________ <---- Line drawn under... well you know, not saying it again

It's drawn for me anyway


Shall we move on?

Here's a thought

If he walked to the location he left AJ, then they could have analysed the residue on his footwear/bottom of trousers etc. I don't think they have that sort of information as their search areas have been quite different to one another. Did he dispose of the items? wash them? Or just wear them again and mix the evidence - he was doing some walking on the Tuesday for sure.