GUILTY UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020 #3

  • #661
This makes me so angry and sad. Star’s life was worth just as much as Arthur’s and for her not to be visible in the same way is heartbreaking.

There’s also similar trial in Birmingham right now which is getting even less attention, of the murder of 3 year old Kemarni Watson Darby.

Regarding Star I’m not sure why it hasn’t got attention on here, there is much more detail in the trials, much more to debate, and the same intrigue as to the dynamic of the relationship between the killer and the biological parent.
 
  • #662
I was trying to think why ET hated Arthur so much. And became obsessed with him.

Part of the reason is, if you saw the old videos of him, he was such a happy always smiling, confident, kind boy. All things which she was not. I think she hated someone positive like that.

She wanted to bring him down, to be seen as her level.
 
  • #663
‘Solihull still has collective heartbreak over the murder of young Arthur Labinjo-Hughes.

I share the view that the sentences these monsters have been given are just not enough. I will be referring them for review by the Attorney General under the Unduly Lenient Sentence scheme.’


https://twitter.com/julianknight15/status/1467089913174765572?s=21
 
  • #664
I was trying to think why ET hated Arthur so much. And became obsessed with him.

Part of the reason is, if you saw the old videos of him, he was such a happy always smiling, confident, kind boy. All things which she was not. I think she hated someone positive like that.

She wanted to bring him down, to be seen as her level.
I read in one of the articles and I can’t remember where, according to Madeleine Halcrow ET was obsessed with the idea that TH would go back to OLH and that’s why she wanted rid of Arthur. I don’t know how much truth there is in that.
 
  • #665
Really?
It is a petition to British Parliament :)

Amnesty International is doing it like this all the time...people from all over the world can sign.
 
  • #666
The video of them tucking into icecreams is sickening!! Was the door to the room open or closed? And TH walking right by Arthur with them. Think vid was taken on 13th June, so Arthur in bad shape by that time. Everyone online seems to be focused on how bad ET is, seem to be forgetting about TH, hes worse in my eyes. Oh god, they are different level evil watching that video and her legs spralled all over TH, they would make your skin actually crawl
 
  • #667
The video of them tucking into icecreams is sickening!! Was the door to the room open or closed? And TH walking right by Arthur with them. Think vid was taken on 13th June, so Arthur in bad shape by that time. Everyone online seems to be focused on how bad ET is, seem to be forgetting about TH, hes worse in my eyes. Oh god, they are different level evil watching that video and her legs spralled all over TH, they would make your skin actually crawl

I certainly don't want to distract this thread from this sweet boy Arthur, but recently I came across another case in the USA where 3 children were locked up in house, starving, etc. (their dead brother lying in another room, decomposing) and the mother's boyfriend (he and her living the "good" life some place else) posted delicious food/plates of food on his Instagram.....Maybe that was the onset for feeling so unbelievable sad for Arthur now...
 
  • #668
Im really angry TH’s family’s statement keeps being shared, blaming ET for everything and entirely glossing over TH’s role. She is being absolutely demonised (and rightly so) in this statement and by the media, while her equally horrible boyfriend - Arthur’s actual father - goes under the radar.

Guess what? You can believe “for evermore” that Arthur would be alive if his dad had never met ET. But he would also have been alive if his dad had just said “no” to her.

He relished abusing his child, and it would likely have happened at some point regardless of ET.

It was horrible, and his families testimonies got him off murder in my opinion.

He wasn't working away he was in that house everyday he knew everything that was going on.

The case is being handed to the Attorney General on Monday so hopefully longer sentences can be handed out or can the verdict be changed to murder im not sure.

Why character can be used as a mitigating factor in a murder case be used is beyond me. Nobody is a killer until they are one. Being a nice guy or half decent dad should be nothing to do with the case and only facts be presided on.
 
  • #669
It was horrible, and his families testimonies got him off murder in my opinion.

He wasn't working away he was in that house everyday he knew everything that was going on.

The case is being handed to the Attorney General on Monday so hopefully longer sentences can be handed out or can the verdict be changed to murder im not sure.

Why character can be used as a mitigating factor in a murder case be used is beyond me. Nobody is a killer until they are one. Being a nice guy or half decent dad should be nothing to do with the case and only facts be presided on.

The attorney general cannot upgrade his charge to murder.

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t believe they will raise their sentences. Yes emotions are high and the country is enraged in anger rightly so. But under the guidelines I think the judge has given pretty much the highest he was able too.
 
  • #670
The attorney general cannot upgrade his charge to murder.

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t believe they will raise their sentences. Yes emotions are high and the country is enraged in anger rightly so. But under the guidelines I think the judge has given pretty much the highest he was able too.

I agree; instead of raging about the sentences given under the guidelines, people would do more good by lobbying to have the guidelines changed. There might have been room to add another year or two if the judge was being severe (although that would open the door for them to appeal the sentences as too harsh...), but there could never have been the sentences that people are wanting to see, because it's just not possible under the system.

I've long felt that all murder sentences are too low, and that manslaughter in a case like this should be able to be given a life sentence too (albeit of a lower minimum term, to show the difference). In these days where life expectancy is in the 70+ bracket, seeing sentences in the low 20s of years for many murders, and never seeing any over about 35, just seems wrong to me; the lower grade murders should start at 30, leading up to 50+ for the most serious. Under that I'd pitch TH at life, minimum 27 years (reflecting that it's a manslaughter conviction, not murder) and ET at something like 45 years (reflecting that domestic murders, while awful, aren't the threat to the public that a stranger murder/abduction is, and there needs to be room to treat those more severely still).
 
  • #671
The attorney general cannot upgrade his charge to murder.

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t believe they will raise their sentences. Yes emotions are high and the country is enraged in anger rightly so. But under the guidelines I think the judge has given pretty much the highest he was able too.

Yeah I thought so. And I agree there is probably not much wriggle room for the manslaughter charge it was already near the maximum.

I wish we did more consecutive sentences in the UK. Crimes are essentially left unpunished in concurrent sentences.
 
  • #672
  • #673
The attorney general cannot upgrade his charge to murder.

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t believe they will raise their sentences. Yes emotions are high and the country is enraged in anger rightly so. But under the guidelines I think the judge has given pretty much the highest he was able too.
So why was Wayne cousins sentenced to life without parole? Is this because his was premeditated ?
 
  • #674
And I really dont understand why so much time is granted for parole.
21 year sentence but out after only 14.
 
  • #675
So why was Wayne cousins sentenced to life without parole? Is this because his was premeditated ?
The premeditation, the misuse of his police powers and that he kidnapped her.
 
  • #676
The premeditation, the misuse of his police powers and that he kidnapped her.
Arthur's case:
Premeditation - tick the box
Misuse of parental power -tick the box
Kidnapping - as locked as a house prisoner - tick the box.
 
  • #677
Arthur's case:
Premeditation - tick the box
Misuse of parental power -tick the box
Kidnapping - as locked as a house prisoner - tick the box.
The premeditation is what the judge referred to as the intent to kill or do really serious harm.
Police are enforcers of the law and held to a higher standard. Whole life tariffs are available as a sentence to those convicted of killing an on duty officer whilst they are discharging their duties. Couzens received a WLT as sort of the reverse of that.
 
  • #678
The premeditation is what the judge referred to as the intent to kill or do really serious harm.
Police are enforcers of the law and held to a higher standard. Whole life tariffs are available as a sentence to those convicted of killing an on duty officer whilst they are discharging their duties. Couzens received a WLT as sort of the reverse of that.
Well, I understand and, as Im not a lawyer but a common person, I just presented my personal point of view.

By the way, I think authorities should organise the funeral of Arthur, as the dispute between the families doesnt seem to end soon.

And should be treated as contempt of a dead person.
 
  • #679
  • #680
Professor Karl Friston is a very prominent academic. He has published an extraordinary number of articles on a wide range of subjects including mathematics, psychology, neuroscience.

One of his theories is that a particular driving force of human beings is to “minimise surprise”. In fact he says all this applies to all animals, and all systems, including companies.

It describes how in order to navigate the world, we need to build a model of that world in our heads, and if we have a better model of that world we are less likely to be surprised, less likely to fall into a hole, less likely to come to ruin. This model of the world encourages curiosity, in order to find out more about the world, so you are not stuck at some “local maximum”.

When I think about Arthur‘s treatment, I think about how surprise was maximised for him. He owned nothing. He had no space in the house. He had no agency. He was perpetually surprised by new terrors. It was impossible for him to build a mental model of the world. The only world he could see was a psychopathic dysfunctional family, an empty hallway with a wall in front of him, and random acts of terror.

Despite all that, I think we all see two things in his video. Grimacing in raw pain, but also, an absolutely extraordinary determination and bravery. Arthur, rest in peace.
The more I think about this characterisation of life for poor Arthur the more it makes sense. He was in a hell, but any movement or deviation at all (from standing dead straight on the step) and the hell became even worse. They would beat him or starve him even more. That is the definition of a local maximum mathematically. On top of a tiny hill when high mountains are nearby. He was also denied movement and being curious a basic right of not just humans but animals.

No wonder they look so 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 smug eating their stupid ice-creams. They had him right where they wanted him. Zero parental duty accomplished.

It also shows how brave he was to leave the step and try to escape, knowing it would lead to horrific punishment.

I seriously think the State should award him a proper official actual war-hero medal for his courage and bravery.

How about this one for civilian gallantry? Why not? I think it sums up exactly what Arthur faced and did. The State utterly failed him. This is the least it can do.

Unlike other honours, gallantry awards may be awarded posthumously.

The George Cross (GC) - introduced in 1940, is granted only for acts of gallantry of the greatest heroism or of the most conspicuous courage in circumstances of extreme danger.
 
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