UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020

[Tinksx]

I wonder...
Did they work?

What were their jobs/careers?

She lived in a house - it is quite expensive to maintain a house.
I mean constant repairs, bills, etc.

There is no info but I find it interesting.

He worked. It was mentioned earlier on in the trial, I’ll have to look back through to pinpoint what his actual employment was though.

I believe it was mentioned that the house of ET was a council house. I’d imagine her rent was subsidised as she would have been in receipt of disability benefit (this is pure speculation on my part due to how she described how much pain she suffers due to her suicide attempt) also she would have been in receipt of some sort of child element benefit and being the main carer to her two children.

 

[Dotta]

He worked. It was mentioned earlier on in the trial, I’ll have to look back through to pinpoint what his actual employment was though.

I believe it was mentioned that the house of ET was a council house. I’d imagine her rent was subsidised as she would have been in receipt of disability benefit (this is pure speculation on my part due to how she described how much pain she suffers due to her suicide attempt) also she would have been in receipt of some sort of child element benefit and being the main carer to her two children.

Thank you

 

[Mellowmelly]

I wonder...
Did they work?

What were their jobs/careers?

She lived in a house - it is quite expensive to maintain a house.
I mean constant repairs, bills, etc.

There is no info but I find it interesting.

Solihull is quite an affluent area and I imagine to rent or even own your own home there would be really expensive, so I would imagine she was getting some kind of help towards the housing costs.

 

[Dotta]

Solihull is quite an affluent area and I imagine to rent or even own your own home there would be really expensive, so I would imagine she was getting some kind of help towards the housing costs.

And also alimony from father/s of her children?

 

[Tinksx]

And also alimony from father/s of her children?

That would be dependent on a few things:
If ET and father/s had a private agreement or used the child maintenance service regarding child maintenance.
Also whether father/s were in employment or reliant on benefits themselves.
If father/s were declaring any income at all.

I would imagine some sort of child maintenance was in place, but whether that was a substantial amount is anyones guess.

 

[Mellowmelly]

And also alimony from father/s of her children?

You would hope so.

 

[Dotta]

That would be dependent on a few things:
If ET and father/s had a private agreement or used the child maintenance service regarding child maintenance.
Also whether father/s were in employment or reliant on benefits themselves.
If father/s were declaring any income at all.

I would imagine some sort of child maintenance was in place, but whether that was a substantial amount is anyones guess.

I see.
In my country divorced or other "absent" fathers must pay alimony for their children.
Those who have means and don't pay land in prison.
There is even a part of a prison especially for "alimony guys".
But, usually, money is taken straight from their salaries - if they work legally, that is.
There is also Government Alimony Fund for single mothers.
Single mums have enough responsibility towards children, so they shouldn't worry about money as well.

 

[Tinksx]

I see.
In my country divorced or other "absent" fathers must pay alimony for their children.
Those who have means and don't pay land in prison.
There is even a part of a prison especially for "alimony guys".
But, usually, money is taken straight from their salaries - if they work legally, that is.
There is also Government Alimony Fund for single mothers.
Single mums have enough responsibility towards children, so they shouldn't worry about money as well.

I can only commend your governments stance on absent parents and holding them financially accountable for their children.

In an ideal world, parents split but come to an arrangement between themselves that mutually benefits the child. If they can’t do this then they have the family court option for making arrangements for access/visitation etc..

Financially, we have a child maintenance service. One parent will usually contact them and explain the circumstances but it is not an automatic service, they will only act if contacted by a parent. The parent who contacts them will have to pay a fee to use their service although this is waived if there is threat eg domestic violence/threat to safety. Child maintenance service will then calculate how much the absent parent should be paying. They take into account how many nights absent parent has the child per month, how much absent parent earns per month, how many dependents absent parent is responsible for and then an amount is calculated. Both parents will also have to pay a percentage for using this service.

If the absent parent is on benefits, then a flat rate is paid per month.

If the absent parent is flying under the radar, eg working cash in hand and paying no taxes, then they will pay nothing.

I’ve found the government website so I’ll include it for you to have a little look.

How the Child Maintenance Service works out child maintenance

 

[Dotta]

The sum of alimony is decided by Court.
They have to pay every month till a child is 18. Or... 24 if the child is studying. As long as the young person studies.
So... making babies is fun haha but also costs!

 

[Tinksx]

Also, Arthur and TH would not be in receipt of any child maintenance as Arthur’s mum is incarcerated. Prisoners are exempt from child maintenance.

 

[Dotta]

Also, Arthur and TH would not be in receipt of any child maintenance as Arthur’s mum is incarcerated. Prisoners are exempt from child maintenance.

Oh, you reminded me - instead of "father" I should have written "parent"! Ooops!

Of course it happens that there are mothers who have to pay if the kids live with Dad - but such cases are rare.

 

[Dotta]

Also, Arthur and TH would not be in receipt of any child maintenance as Arthur’s mum is incarcerated. Prisoners are exempt from child maintenance.

Yes, but then Government Alimony Fund pays (in Poland).

 

[Chessgirl]

Of course, we are talking a lot about her because her testimony is fresh in our minds, we’ve just been reading what she has to say. I suspect that as soon as he’s testifying it will be the other way round

Solihull is quite an affluent area and I imagine to rent or even own your own home there would be really expensive, so I would imagine she was getting some kind of help towards the housing costs.

i have a hard time imagining Tustin working. With all her mental problems, I would think it would be hard to hold a job. She also seems like the type to use people for money...

 

[Ironside]

Didn’t they have a hot tub? She could afford birthday balloons and multi-day hair appointments. Then again she didn’t seem to have carpets.

It just dawned on me that Tustins head injuries may be the reason she was so incredibly cruel. Traumatic brain injuries can cause acquired sociopathy.

 

[Carroll520]

Didn’t they have a hot tub? She could afford birthday balloons and multi-day hair appointments. Then again she didn’t seem to have carpets.

It just dawned on me that Tustins head injuries may be the reason she was so incredibly cruel. Traumatic brain injuries can cause acquired sociopathy.

I was literally just thinking that about the head injuries and wondering what she was like before them. The injuries could have affected the part of the brain that governs empathy or something. But then again she was up for assault at 14 years old, so perhaps shes always been violent. I cant work either of them out, their cruelness is just so extreme, its hard to get your head around.
Im also wondering lately if Tom had hit Arthur before Emma came on the scence, seems so mad he would just turn on him like that.
Also wondering if they were on drugs but theres no talk of it yet.

 

[Tinksx]

Didn’t they have a hot tub? She could afford birthday balloons and multi-day hair appointments. Then again she didn’t seem to have carpets.

It just dawned on me that Tustins head injuries may be the reason she was so incredibly cruel. Traumatic brain injuries can cause acquired sociopathy.

I get the impression that ET had no trouble spending money on things that were important or of benefit to her. Surely carpet for your home (especially a home with young children in) would be of more importance than a hot tub or two days worth of hair appointments.


Id like to know if ET first two children were removed from her care prior to the suicide attempt or after. I think that may give us a bit more information but I think these details may only come out after trial.

 

[Dotta]

I was literally just thinking that about the head injuries and wondering what she was like before them. The injuries could have affected the part of the brain that governs empathy or something. But then again she was up for assault at 14 years old, so perhaps shes always been violent. I cant work either of them out, their cruelness is just so extreme, its hard to get your head around.
Im also wondering lately if Tom had hit Arthur before Emma came on the scence, seems so mad he would just turn on him like that.
Also wondering if they were on drugs but theres no talk of it yet.

I guess:
- troubled childhood
- substance abuse
- head trauma
And God knows what else
I once read that empathy is "switched off" when a person is angry/in rage.
Remorse and reflection come later, when emotions calm down.

 

[Carroll520]

I guess:
- troubled childhood
- substance abuse
- head trauma
And God knows what else
I once read that empathy is "switched off" when a person is angry/in rage.
Remorse and reflection come later, when emotions calm down.

And i dont even think she is really remorseful even now. To say "the f###er tried to escape" to her cellmate, shows her true feelings for Arthur even after all this time. Isnt it such a pity the little guy didnt manage to get out that door, he tried to escape 4 times and to think he was left in the hall for all those hours right beside the door, so close to freedom. Horrible to think of.

 

[Carroll520]

I get the impression that ET had no trouble spending money on things that were important or of benefit to her. Surely carpet for your home (especially a home with young children in) would be of more importance than a hot tub or two days worth of hair appointments.


Id like to know if ET first two children were removed from her care prior to the suicide attempt or after. I think that may give us a bit more information but I think these details may only come out after trial.

I think her first two kids were taken off her even before the suicide attempt. I think it said somewhere she hasnt seen them in over 10 years. They are both with their fathers.

 

[Dotta]

And i dont even think she is really remorseful even now. To say "the f###er tried to escape" to her cellmate, shows her true feelings for Arthur even after all this time. Isnt it such a pity the little guy didnt manage to get out that door, he tried to escape 4 times and to think he was left in the hall for all those hours right beside the door, so close to freedom. Horrible to think of.

Yes, you are right.
She seems psychopathic, doesn't she?
I wonder about the medication she stopped taking (mistake!!!!).
Were they prescribed by a psychiatrist?
I guess so.