UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020

[ChloLo]

So even if ET does try to harm herself, then trial should continue as long as she is deemed fit. I think if she does try that, it will only further convince people of her guilt.

 

[Tinksx]

It’s also prolonging justice for Arthur, as well as the suffering of Arthur’s family. I would hope that if ET is using this to prolong the trial or get a slight reprieve, she is punished for it. If she is poorly then I hope she’s thoroughly assessed so that she can’t appeal any sentence she may get through being “unfit”.

 

[Dotta]

It’s also prolonging justice for Arthur, as well as the suffering of Arthur’s family. I would hope that if ET is using this to prolong the trial or get a slight reprieve, she is punished for it. If she is poorly then I hope she’s thoroughly assessed so that she can’t appeal any sentence she may get through being “unfit”.

Playing the victim to the bitter end.

 

[Dotta]

So the Jury are on leave from work?
Do they get paid?

In Poland there are only 2 jurors and are usually retired people.
They get paid and have travelling expenses returned.

 

[Tortoise]

So the Jury are on leave from work?
Do they get paid?

In Poland there are only 2 jurors and are usually retired people.
They get paid and have travelling expenses returned.

Jury service

What you can claim if you’re an employee
You will not be paid for doing jury service, but you can claim some money back if your earnings are affected. For each day you’re at court, you can usually claim:

• up to £64.95 to help cover your loss of earnings and the cost of any care or childcare outside of your usual arrangements
• £5.71 for food and drink
• the cost of travel to and from court

You’ll be told how to claim expenses after your jury service has ended.

Taking time off work
Give a copy of your jury summons to your employer.

Your employer must let you have time off work, but can ask you to delay your jury service if your absence will have a serious effect on their business.

Problems with your employer
If you’re not allowed to take time off work for jury service, you can complain to an employment tribunal.

If you’re sacked because you do jury service you may be able to claim unfair dismissal.

Getting paid during jury service
Your employer can choose whether or not to pay you during your service.

If they do not pay you, you can claim for loss of earnings from the court.

If you get benefits or financial support
Show your jury summons to your benefit office or work coach as soon as you get it.

You’ll continue to get financial support and benefits (such as Universal Credit) for the first 8 weeks. After that, the court will give you a loss of earnings form to give to your benefit office or work coach.

What you can claim
There’s a limit to how much you can claim for each day you’re at court.

Loss of earnings, childcare and other care costs
How much you can claim to cover loss of earnings and care costs depends on the length of your jury service and how many hours you spend at court each day.

For the first 10 days of jury service, you can claim up to:

• £64.95 a day if you spend more than 4 hours at court
• £32.47 a day if you spend 4 hours or less at court

If your jury service lasts longer than 10 working days, the amount you can claim increases. You’ll be able to claim up to:

• £129.91 a day if you spend more than 4 hours at court
• £64.95 a day if you spend 4 hours or less at court

Travel and parking costs
How much you can claim depends on how you travel to court.

How you travel to court The court will pay
Bus or underground Cost of the ticket
Train Cost of the ticket (standard class return fare)
Bicycle 9.6p per mile
Motorcycle 31.4p per mile
Car 31.4p per mile - check if the court will pay for parking
Car - for one other juror as a passenger 4.2p per mile
Car - for each additional passenger 3.2p per mile
Taxi The fare - ask the court for permission before using a taxi
Food and drink
How much you can claim depends on how many hours you spend in court each day.

Time spent each day The court will pay up to
Up to and including 10 hours a day £5.71 per day
Over 10 hours a day £12.17 per day

 

[spangled]

It seems like TH is a very weak man

So the Jury are on leave from work?
Do they get paid?

In Poland there are only 2 jurors and are usually retired people.
They get paid and have travelling expenses returned.

The jury are on leave, or they could be unemployed or retired. They get travel cost reimbursed and a lunch payment.

They do not get paid, and their employer can choose whether to pay them. They can claim for loss of earnings however it would be much less than my daily earnings for example.

 

[nothinonyou]

i wonder will these feed into the sentencing reports of ET that she has delayed the tried by trying to commit suicide... if that is what has happened of course, and if she survives....

 

[Dotta]

i wonder will these feed into the sentencing reports of ET that she has delayed the tried by trying to commit suicide... if that is what has happened of course, and if she survives....

I think she will be mentally assessed if it was a suicide attempt.
She should be on suicide watch in my opinion.

 

[Sooty]

14:20KEY EVENT
'I'm disgusted in myself. No parent should act as I did. I can't see my son ever again'
Mr Richmond asks Hughes to look across to the jury and explain what he thinks about his own actions.

Hughes: "I'm disgusted in myself. No parent should act as I did and I'm not happy with myself at all. I can't see my son ever again as a result of this situation and it's horrible."

Mr Richmond asks him to explain how he now views Tustin's behaviour compared to how he did in the police van, which is when he last saw her.

Hughes: "It's disgusting. I think she has gaslighted an awful lot of people, not just myself and I will never forgive her. Two children of mine have been taken and I haven't had a chance in any of the matters."

Mr Richmond: "You had a choice to walk away as far as Arthur was concerned."

Hughes: "It is a choice that will stay with me forever for being the wrong one."

He concludes his evidence and is released from the witness box.

The trial adjourns for a break.

Dad accused of murdering son branded a 'short-tempered, wicked man' - updates

Hmmmm - it’s still all ‘woe is me’ though isn’t it? There doesn’t appear to be any remorse for what the poor child had to endure, what the poor child missed out on…

 

[Dotta]

Hmmmm - it’s still all ‘woe is me’ though isn’t it? There doesn’t appear to be any remorse for what the poor child had to endure, what the poor child missed out on…

Absolutely: I, I'm, my, myself.

 

[Carroll520]

Hmmmm - it’s still all ‘woe is me’ though isn’t it? There doesn’t appear to be any remorse for what the poor child had to endure, what the poor child missed out on…

Yeah thats what i thought too, no ...poor Arthurs life was cut short, hes just thinking of his feelings

 

[Carroll520]

Summary

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10230053/amp/Father-son-six-stand-fluffy-onesie-baking-hot-day-murder-trial-hears.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#aoh=16375951930705&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10230053/Father-son-six-stand-fluffy-onesie-baking-hot-day-murder-trial-hears.html

Oh lord when you see it all written down together like that, it makes for a harrowing read. I actually feel more anger towards TH as he was his father. The amount of times they must have walked by Arthur in the hallway every day, he must have been begging for their mercy. If they wanted him out of their hair, why didnt they put him in a seperate room, with a tv or books to occupy him, even standing looking at a wall for 15 minutes is torture and Arthur spent thousands upon thousands of minutes doing that

 

[ChloLo]

I’ve just noticed, it’s not important. But Daniel du Plessis is the neuropathologist on both this case and Star Hobson.

 

[Dotta]

It is interesting that her Defence didnt play "mental health" card.

 

[SpursGyal]

Thanks for the updates today @Tinksx
Typical that the court isn’t sitting tomorrow, when I’m on house arrest awaiting results….

Hopefully a speedy recovery for ET only so she can get back to court and Arthur can get the justice he so deserves.

 

[JayWill]

I’ve just noticed, it’s not important. But Daniel du Plessis is the neuropathologist on both this case and Star Hobson.

Poor man.

 

[JayWill]

Oh lord when you see it all written down together like that, it makes for a harrowing read. I actually feel more anger towards TH as he was his father. The amount of times they must have walked by Arthur in the hallway every day, he must have been begging for their mercy. If they wanted him out of their hair, why didnt they put him in a seperate room, with a tv or books to occupy him, even standing looking at a wall for 15 minutes is torture and Arthur spent thousands upon thousands of minutes doing that

Or let him live with his grandparents and uncles. How helpless they must have felt.

 

[Carroll520]

Does anyone know when they pretended they were bringing him to his Nans to get Arthur into the car? Was it the morning of the day he died?

 

[Dotta]

And I remember that Mr Hankin asked TH if he saw bruises on Arthur while showering him and he answered:

"I was discouraged to give him showers".

What does that mean?
That Arthur didn't have showers?

He was wearing dirty clothes, never changed.

Prisoners have better conditions.

But he didnt commit any crime.

 

[Peak12345]

I'm even getting wound up by the journo writing 'mom' and not 'mum'.

I don't mind it when it's used in America. He was born in England, I've checked.

No it is correct, it’s a birmingham thing, even cards are “mom” around here