UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020

[Carroll520]

I believe the children were 6 and 4 at the time they went to live with their fathers. I’ll have to check back on the long BM thread to be sure but that is near impossible on my phone. Suicide attempts do not usually warrant no contact, there would be supervised contact to assess the situation, relationship between children and parent, protective factors, the childrens wishes etc… this would then gradually increase over a period of time. ET has mentioned being in a seriously abusive relationship, she also sustained a broken bone (cannot remember which) and a black eye on her birthday.

Children involved in a DV relationship, will alert SS and they will become involved. If the victim chooses to stay with the perpetrator, that will cause a massive safeguarding risk and the children will be placed under child protection, that’s the highest before removal. If an incident of DV was to happen again whilst the children were on the child protection plan, SS would seek an emergency order and remove the children.

I’m wondering if this was what happened here? This is pure speculation on my part. ET gets into a relationship, already having split from the elder two fathers. This relationship becomes abusive. SS becomes involved, ET stays in relationship therefore becoming a safeguarding risk, there is another incident of abuse and SS remove children. Both fathers get custody, ET becomes suicidal and the suicide attempt takes place.

If either of these two fathers had committed DV offences, especially in the presence of the children, they would not be allowed full custody of the children. That makes me think this abusive relationship ET was in, wasn’t with either of these two men.

Again, pure speculation but that’s where my trail of thought keeps going.

I think the suicide attempt happened when she was with Shane, the Dad of her two youngest kids, if i remember correctly

 

[Tinksx]

Or was the fact she was so badly hurt after the fall deemed a reason for the kids to go to their Dads and then she wasnt bothered getting access to them after that?

Another excellent take on this! This is plausible too.

My only trouble with this scenario is that she went on to have other children. If she couldn’t be bothered, why would she have more children? But again, this is ET we’re talking about…. I can’t understand her no matter how hard I try!

 

[Carroll520]

I think the engagement was simply her way of securing TH. Same as the constantly falling pregnant. 3 pregnancies in less than a year seems excessive, especially when both stated none of them were planned. I don’t think it is anything to do with her eldest children. I don’t think they were kept hidden by ET with their fathers consent so that ET could get married. JMO

This is a terrible thing to say but by the sounds of it they had a very active sex life, clearly she wasnt experiencing too many issues in the pelvic area, i wonder is she on disability benefit when she doesnt even need to be

 

[Tinksx]

I think the suicide attempt happened when she was with Shane, the Dad of her two youngest kids, if i remember correctly

I know he became her carer. I don’t know if that means they were together when it happened though.

 

[Carroll520]

Another excellent take on this! This is plausible too.

My only trouble with this scenario is that she went on to have other children. If she couldn’t be bothered, why would she have more children? But again, this is ET we’re talking about…. I can’t understand her no matter how hard I try!

Aw ok, i was thinking she had kids with Shane at the time of the suicide attempt but that wouldnt work out timewise i dont think. How long ago was the suicide attempt?

 

[Carroll520]

I know he became her carer. I don’t know if that means they were together when it happened though.

I got the impression they were a couple at that stage, as he said it put a strain on their relationship

 

[Dotta]

I think the suicide attempt happened when she was with Shane, the Dad of her two youngest kids, if i remember correctly

You know, this Shane guy seems quick to use fists to resolve problems
He attacked TH - who does that?
ET used to warn TH
"I will inform Shane".

 

[Tinksx]

Aw ok, i was thinking she had kids with Shane at the time of the suicide attempt but that wouldnt work out timewise i dont think. How long ago was the suicide attempt?

2013

 

[Noseyjosie]

Do we know if ET herself was abusive in any of her previous relationships? Could this have a bearing on why there's no contact with the eldest two children...and perhaps she was then deemed fit to share access/custody with Shane for the youngest two? Just a wild thought

Edited for spelling - because I'm a nerd

 

[Tinksx]

I got the impression they were a couple at that stage, as he said it out a strain on their relationship

If SH was the abusive partner that broke ET bone and blacked her eye on her birthday, neither of the two children they shared would be in either of their care.

 

[Dotta]

This is a terrible thing to say but by the sounds of it they had a very active sex life, clearly she wasnt experiencing too many issues in the pelvic area, i wonder is she on disability benefit when she doesnt even need to be

Haha
Sorry, I shouldn't laugh but Im still giggling

 

[Tinksx]

Do we know if ET herself was abusive in any of her previous relationships? Could this have a bearing on why there's no contact with the eldest two children...and perhaps she was then deemed fit to share access/custody with Shane for the youngest two? Just a wild thought

Edited for spelling - because I'm a nerd

Could also be plausible. I would hope though that SS would have actually opened an investigation into Arthur and the bruising if ET was deemed abusive by SS previously. SS didn’t even open an investigation, they checked out a welfare concern and NFA’d it. But this is SS, many children fall through the cracks so your theory could well be right.

 

[Dotta]

Do we know if ET herself was abusive in any of her previous relationships? Could this have a bearing on why there's no contact with the eldest two children...and perhaps she was then deemed fit to share access/custody with Shane for the youngest two? Just a wild thought

Edited for spelling - because I'm a nerd

And I think it might be HER drug abuse that she lost the kids.

 

[Tinksx]

And I think it might be HER drug abuse that she lost the kids.

Was it said she was on drugs? I’ve read so much on here that I’m having trouble taking anything in. I thought it was only alcohol that was mentioned when ET and TH were in the police van.

 

[Dotta]

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[Carroll520]

If SH was the abusive partner that broke ET bone and blacked her eye on her birthday, neither of the two children they shared would be in either of their care.

Yeah i defos dont think SH was the abusive partner

 

[Carroll520]

Was it said she was on drugs? I’ve read so much on here that I’m having trouble taking anything in. I thought it was only alcohol that was mentioned when ET and TH were in the police van.

Yeah i have heard nothing about her being on drugs, but her behaviour sounds like there was some sort of subsance issue

 

[Carroll520]

Haha
Sorry, I shouldn't laugh but Im still giggling

Ha, its true though

 

[Dotta]

Yeah i have heard nothing about her being on drugs, but her behaviour sounds like there was some sort of subsance issue

Yes, I meant drugs as medications, some are highly addictive.

 

[Carroll520]

Yes, I meant drugs as medications, some are highly addictive.

Yep, theres defos something