UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #11

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The trouble with this case ... always IMO... there are far too many detectives both real ones and on the internet.
It’s about time police brought this case to an end ... far too many people have suffered and continue to suffer .Most important of all her family.
Even the ones arrested / cautioned are suffering.Stands to reason that most if not all are innocent.
Perhaps something good out of 2020 after all ? Pleeeaase !
 
  • #1,082
Hi, so I’m new here - I’m around a year in of doing intensive research on this case. I have been through this forum, there’s much information that fits my thinking and there’s also much that equates to little green men. This is my take on it, based on my experience of crime in general. Do not rule out the unlikely as you never know.

It’s been brought to my attention the theory of the “New Boyfriend “ and I feel as a starting point it would be good for us to work together to try and rule in or out this possible suspect and who may fit the frame.

Ok - We know that at least two people mentioned the “New Boyfriend” The work colleague D.O. I’m going to call him for this exercise colleague A. Because actually working along side her he is the closet colleague to her. And also ex boyfriend Dan, now we know Dan referred to a new boyfriend sometime in the previous October so in my opinion by the following March he is no longer new. Also by the following March (over the Christmas period of 2008) I’d of expected the new boyfriend to be known by Jen and Suzy and perhaps her parents and wider social circle. He isn’t, Colleague A mentions him a year down the line, we can look at it three ways - it’s true, it’s false, or it’s in there for an ulterior motive.

So let’s move to her rucksack - which I believe is one of the most useful pieces of information- it’s missing - we can only guess the contents. We are led by the police case to think inside was the chef whites and hair straighteners. If this was the case then it’s natural to think she had left her house on the evening of the 18th pots from the day in the sink, taken her rucksack, slippers by the door, bed made as she’s not slept in it and gone to the “new boyfriends house” slept over and then who knows what happened.

Do we have any evidence to dispute this scenario - firstly the straighteners may not of been in the rucksack at all - they could of been broken and binned, they could of been left elsewhere at a married mans house or car etc. Someone may have them unable to disclose not because they have harmed Claudia but because it would compromise them in some way. Another issue with the New boyfriend theory is her calls to her Mum and Dad where she talks about concerns of walking to work - in my mind it illustrates to me that she was thinking of walking to work in the morning. Why at 9 would she leave to elsewhere when she has to be up so early the following morning?

Of course Alleywayman could be the new boyfriend - he could be new as in a relationship but not necessarily new as in new to Heworth I have a possible name for him - he works at another department in the college I’m going to name him for this Colleague B basically because he works in a different department however he is within the (Nags Heworth circle). He appears at 7.15pm and walks to the side and back of her house. There’s a point here - he walks at approximately 1.4 metres a second. If he leaves Claudius front door and walks to 15 Heworth place it would take him one way 2mins exactly. Once on camera when he disappears and reappears he does this in 1min 8seconds so that means he cannot of got as far as 15 Heworth place unless of course he ran outside shot of the camera - which I feel is highly unlikely. So then if you theorise where else he may have gone it matches someone walking down the alley to the rear of Claudius house and back. So in my opinion - the alleywayman isa key suspect. - he appears 7.15pm - he’s on foot and I think he enters the alley with the rucksack on his left shoulder - it’s more obvious when he leaves. Where’s he come from? The nags? He would of left there at around 7.12pm if he was in there, could of he have got off a bus there, arrived in a taxi? Did he visit any of the local shops that evening?

My only other thinking on the “New boyfriend” theory is unfortunately sometimes whist the fairer sex might like you as a friend they sometimes don’t float their boat and I feel it could of been used as a way of managing admirers expectations.

Happy Tier 4!
Where she talks about concern walking to work
Slightly ambiguous... it was her parents and another friend caller who raised concerns re walking to work... she didn’t as far as I understand .
Personally like you I think she went to bed probably earlier than usual because of the all nighter two nights before...
 
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The trouble with this case ... always IMO... there are far too many detectives both real ones and on the internet.
It’s about time police brought this case to an end ... far too many people have suffered and continue to suffer .Most important of all her family.
Even the ones arrested / cautioned are suffering.Stands to reason that most if not all are innocent.
Perhaps something good out of 2020 after all ? Pleeeaase !
To coin a phrase - you need a body, a crime scene, a motive and a confession - where you going to get one of those this time of night?
 
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To coin a phrase - you need a body, a crime scene, a motive and a confession - where you going to get one of those this time of night?
Yes ... it is the season of miracles ! I know some don’t believe and that is okay too
 
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To coin a phrase - you need a body, a crime scene, a motive and a confession - where you going to get one of those this time of night?
Plus Covid-19 to go away
 
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Where she talks about concern walking to work
Slightly ambiguous... it was her parents and another friend caller who raised concerns re walking to work... she didn’t as far as I understand .
Personally like you I think she went to bed probably earlier than usual because of the all nighter two nights before...
Again what proof do you have of all-nighters , 1 dubious colleague and a newspaper article
 
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Ok let’s go a bit further with the new boyfriend theory. So did it happen on the night of the 18th or the morning of the 19th?
Why would he kill her?
How did he her her lit of the house, when did she leave her house? Everything goes silent from 8.50ish - could she of left in the white Vauxhall estate van?
 
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Again what proof do you have of all-nighters , 1 dubious colleague and a newspaper article
One night I’m talking about
PS should we expect the words ‘verified law enforcement’ after your name ?
I sincerely hope so .
 
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Ok let’s go a bit further with the new boyfriend theory. So did it happen on the night of the 18th or the morning of the 19th?
Why would he kill her?
How did he her her lit of the house, when did she leave her house? Everything goes silent from 8.50ish - could she of left in the white Vauxhall estate van?
Subsequent bus journeys might/ should have shed some light on the Vauxhall estate van
 
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It arrived and left within the window
 
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Where she talks about concern walking to work
Slightly ambiguous... it was her parents and another friend caller who raised concerns re walking to work... she didn’t as far as I understand .
Personally like you I think she went to bed probably earlier than usual because of the all nighter two nights before...
Don’t you think it’s odd that three different people mentioned her safety of walking to work in the morning, who just happened to be talking to her on the same evening?? It’s obvious to me that it’s not ambiguous at all - Claudia obviously brought it into three different conversations.
 
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Ok let’s go a bit further with the new boyfriend theory. So did it happen on the night of the 18th or the morning of the 19th?
Why would he kill her?
How did he her her lit of the house, when did she leave her house? Everything goes silent from 8.50ish - could she of left in the white Vauxhall estate van?
If you believe the arguing couple were cl and her assailant then the possibility of an accident present itself .
 
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Don’t you think it’s odd that three different people mentioned her safety of walking to work in the morning, who just happened to be talking to her on the same evening?? It’s obvious to me that it’s not ambiguous at all - Claudia obviously brought it into three different conversations.
Ok but she was not phased about the journey imo
 
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Whilst I cannot be 100% and I’d like to keep
The door open in that line, I’d say it’s probable, she slept in her bed, she got up
In the morning ate breakfast , brushed her teeth put her boots on and left her slippers by the door, picked up Her rucksack and set off for work on the morning of the 19th.
 
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If you believe the arguing couple were cl and her assailant then the possibility of an accident present itself .
I’m a believer in the accident or rather something not planned
 
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Ok let’s go a bit further with the new boyfriend theory. So did it happen on the night of the 18th or the morning of the 19th?
Why would he kill her?
How did he her her lit of the house, when did she leave her house? Everything goes silent from 8.50ish - could she of left in the white Vauxhall estate van?
I think the mystery boyfriend was ( unbeknown to her ) stalking her that night .
He offered her a lift before she got to Melrosegate cctv, an argument in the car possibly beginning to realise she was not exclusively his , after all she was going with a gf to visit most probably male friends .
He chased after her leaving the driver door open lhd .
Then ,conscious or not back into his car .
 
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To coin a phrase - you need a body, a crime scene, a motive and a confession - where you going to get one of those this time of night?

Thats if shes dead...
 
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@Popejohn3
Over 100 officers involved. How many of these officers were also involved in the above mentioned undercover operations?

I understand that PACE regulations would make this difficult should there be some crossover and this would need to be dealt with in the correct procedural way.

Perhaps @Angleterre who is a verified law Enforcement member could guide us in this matter.

I would be more than happy to guide you but I’m not sure what it is that you are asking? If you could elaborate further?
PACE has no bearing on undercover operations apart from contemporaneously recording in the written word, what is observed....
 
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