UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #11

[Popejohn3]

You know I keep saying this from time to time:
It goes without saying. ( lol )if you know or suspect something please always contact cold case BEFORE you come on here with it.
btw I say this with absolutely no authority nor inside knowledge okay ?

 

[keep-it-real]

^^^^ I remember an Asian male, young, at Claudia's door .......

If we would only know.

If you remember I said the alleyman was struggling with a person when reaching the corner of Heworth rd was aided by another person and they carried this person in what I would describe as a stretcher hold one holding the arms the other the legs. On the large rucksack that alleyman picked up there was a large oriental design of a fire eating dragon attacking an oriental lion.
Elvington is 7 miles - 15 minutes by car from Heworth
The Heslington address is worthy of note
The discovery of the Cannabis factory was in Feb 2009 so its not unreasonable to suspect raids also took place after that
Claudia's car was off road from sometime in Feb
Body turn up in selby Canal
Claudia goes missing
Interestingly in Court Huang, speaking through an interpreter, immediately asked: “What about my necklace?” Police had confiscated it from him after his arrest
Murderers ordered to pay £3,400 to court

The defendants in the trials were: Quite a few young asians to do some homework on here FG

The murderers
Bao Lung Huang, 44, of Fujian, China, and Zhouli Zhang, 50, of Scarfe Avenue, Doncaster. Both now serving life for murder and will be sentenced today for conspiracy to produce cannabis. Both acquitted of money laundering.

The murder accomplices
Shaozhe Wang, 24, who claimed he was 17 when arrested at Elvington, of Dong Bei, now serving six years and nine months.

Xia Hua Chen, 28, of Fujian, China, now serving four years and nine months. Both were convicted of perverting the course of justice and cannabis production.

The gardeners
An Zheng, 31, of Hullbridge Road, Hockley, Essex, serving two years for cannabis production in Elvington, plus three months for skipping bail. Lihua Dai, 50, of no fixed address, serving two years for producing cannabis at the Doncaster factory.

The money launderer
Zhong Xiang Wang, 41, of Lea Bridge Road, London, awaiting sentence later this month after admitting sending criminal money out of the country.

The murderers’ girlfriends
Hanbing Zhang, 40, of Undine Street, Tooting, London, and Ying Xue, 36, of no fixed address, were both cleared of cannabis production. Hanbing Zhang was also cleared of money laundering. Xue is still behind bars today, facing deportation.

Arrested at the Elvington factory
Jun Wang, 26, of no fixed address, was deported after he was acquitted of conspiracy to produce cannabis.
Seven jailed after marathon court cases

 

[Popejohn3]

If you remember I said the alleyman was struggling with a person when reaching the corner of Heworth rd was aided by another person and they carried this person in what I would describe as a stretcher hold one holding the arms the other the legs. On the large rucksack that alleyman picked up there was a large oriental design of a fire eating dragon attacking an oriental lion.
Elvington is 7 miles - 15 minutes by car from Heworth
The Heslington address is worthy of note
The discovery of the Cannabis factory was in Feb 2009 so its not unreasonable to suspect raids also took place after that
Claudia's car was off road from sometime in Feb
Body turn up in selby Canal
Claudia goes missing
Interestingly in Court Huang, speaking through an interpreter, immediately asked: “What about my necklace?” Police had confiscated it from him after his arrest
Murderers ordered to pay £3,400 to court

The defendants in the trials were: Quite a few young asians to do some homework on here FG

The murderers
Bao Lung Huang, 44, of Fujian, China, and Zhouli Zhang, 50, of Scarfe Avenue, Doncaster. Both now serving life for murder and will be sentenced today for conspiracy to produce cannabis. Both acquitted of money laundering.

The murder accomplices
Shaozhe Wang, 24, who claimed he was 17 when arrested at Elvington, of Dong Bei, now serving six years and nine months.

Xia Hua Chen, 28, of Fujian, China, now serving four years and nine months. Both were convicted of perverting the course of justice and cannabis production.

The gardeners
An Zheng, 31, of Hullbridge Road, Hockley, Essex, serving two years for cannabis production in Elvington, plus three months for skipping bail. Lihua Dai, 50, of no fixed address, serving two years for producing cannabis at the Doncaster factory.

The money launderer
Zhong Xiang Wang, 41, of Lea Bridge Road, London, awaiting sentence later this month after admitting sending criminal money out of the country.

The murderers’ girlfriends
Hanbing Zhang, 40, of Undine Street, Tooting, London, and Ying Xue, 36, of no fixed address, were both cleared of cannabis production. Hanbing Zhang was also cleared of money laundering. Xue is still behind bars today, facing deportation.

Arrested at the Elvington factory
Jun Wang, 26, of no fixed address, was deported after he was acquitted of conspiracy to produce cannabis.
Seven jailed after marathon court cases

With respect: for the life of me I only see just the one person ie the allyman and not two !
Unless you’re privy to some cctv while the rest of us are not !? I’m not being sarcastic here okay

 

[Popejohn3]

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If you remember I said the alleyman was struggling with a person when reaching the corner of Heworth rd was aided by another person and they carried this person in what I would describe as a stretcher hold one holding the arms the other the legs. On the large rucksack that alleyman picked up there was a large oriental design of a fire eating dragon attacking an oriental lion.
Elvington is 7 miles - 15 minutes by car from Heworth
The Heslington address is worthy of note
The discovery of the Cannabis factory was in Feb 2009 so its not unreasonable to suspect raids also took place after that
Claudia's car was off road from sometime in Feb
Body turn up in selby Canal
Claudia goes missing
Interestingly in Court Huang, speaking through an interpreter, immediately asked: “What about my necklace?” Police had confiscated it from him after his arrest
Murderers ordered to pay £3,400 to court

The defendants in the trials were: Quite a few young asians to do some homework on here FG

The murderers
Bao Lung Huang, 44, of Fujian, China, and Zhouli Zhang, 50, of Scarfe Avenue, Doncaster. Both now serving life for murder and will be sentenced today for conspiracy to produce cannabis. Both acquitted of money laundering.

The murder accomplices
Shaozhe Wang, 24, who claimed he was 17 when arrested at Elvington, of Dong Bei, now serving six years and nine months.

Xia Hua Chen, 28, of Fujian, China, now serving four years and nine months. Both were convicted of perverting the course of justice and cannabis production.

The gardeners
An Zheng, 31, of Hullbridge Road, Hockley, Essex, serving two years for cannabis production in Elvington, plus three months for skipping bail. Lihua Dai, 50, of no fixed address, serving two years for producing cannabis at the Doncaster factory.

The money launderer
Zhong Xiang Wang, 41, of Lea Bridge Road, London, awaiting sentence later this month after admitting sending criminal money out of the country.

The murderers’ girlfriends
Hanbing Zhang, 40, of Undine Street, Tooting, London, and Ying Xue, 36, of no fixed address, were both cleared of cannabis production. Hanbing Zhang was also cleared of money laundering. Xue is still behind bars today, facing deportation.

Arrested at the Elvington factory
Jun Wang, 26, of no fixed address, was deported after he was acquitted of conspiracy to produce cannabis.
Seven jailed after marathon court cases

Are you referring to this clip ? I know I am !

 

[keep-it-real]

With respect: for the life of me I only see just the one person ie the allyman and not two !
Unless you’re privy to some cctv while the rest of us are not !? I’m not being sarcastic here okay

I understand completely any fustrations you may be experiencing PJ
It takes lots of time and effort to look in detail at the cctv footage its not something everyone has the time or interest in being able to do. All I ask is make a note of what Im saying and later you may be able to see how and where it all fits together.

 

[keep-it-real]

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Are you referring to this clip ? I know I am !

Try stopping the video at 2.38 you will see what I mean when I say this person is being carried in a stretcher hold around the corner.
You will also see that a rucksack is lying on the ground at the standing mans feet the standing man will returns to pick that rucksack up

 

[Inspector Evans]

Think Pope intepreted it as you were stating there were two (alive) people on that CCTV walking (in addition to possible rucksack which is possible going by images).

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Try stopping the video at 2.38 you will see what I mean when I say this person is being carried in a stretcher hold around the corner.
You will also see that a rucksack is lying on the ground at the standing mans feet the standing man will returns to pick that rucksack up

My answer:
I don't see a person, carried in a stretcher hold, and I don't see a rucksack, lying at a standing man's feet, which he picks up later. Just saying ....
ETA: I'm seeing a man with a light jacket/dark trouser crossing the Heworth place in direction of Claudia's home and then the dark dressed alley man, going forth and back to/from Claudia's backyard.
I don't understand, how someone can see even the lable/logo on the rucksack, where I'm seeing only a dark outline.

 

[Jennifersausage]

If you remember I said the alleyman was struggling with a person when reaching the corner of Heworth rd was aided by another person and they carried this person in what I would describe as a stretcher hold one holding the arms the other the legs. On the large rucksack that alleyman picked up there was a large oriental design of a fire eating dragon attacking an oriental lion.

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Could you please post this footage? I just can’t see any of that.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Oh I hope I’m not misunderstood by far the best outcome would be for her to turn up safe and sound at her mother’s flat !

WHY at her mother's flat? Why not at her father's flat? What is the diffference, if there is one for you?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Try stopping the video at 2.38 you will see what I mean when I say this person is being carried in a stretcher hold around the corner.
You will also see that a rucksack is lying on the ground at the standing mans feet the standing man will returns to pick that rucksack up

Another look at the video:
At 2:38 there is alleyman, who is near the corner. A car is coming from CL's home direction. There isn't a standing man anymore, which was also alleyman. Alleyman is near the corner, next second will turn his head back and to the left (as said time ago: like a criminal, who makes sure that nobody is there), then will disappear around the corner.
If there were 2 men, who had carried a third person, where should they have gone? They didn't come from the left side, otherwise I must have seen them. They didn't come from CL's home, otherwise I had seen them going somewhere: along Heworth Rd. or around the corner to Heworth Pl.

I'm trying so hard, but I can't see, what you described.

 

[Popejohn3]

WHY at her mother's flat? Why not at her father's flat? What is the diffference, if there is one for you?

No ... no difference

 

[keep-it-real]

Think Pope intepreted it as you were stating there were two (alive) people on that CCTV walking (in addition to possible rucksack which is possible going by images).

Like Melrosegate PO cctv this one is heavily edited which takes some time to figure out just what is happening and what sequence relates to which figures what appears to be one set of figures are actually 2 sets when you look at it in detail

Male 1 as you correctly say enters the Limes turning with someone this person is obviously under duress as they proceed along the pavement and then disappear when these two figures appear again the person is still appears to be under duress this time with more physical force as the approach the corner a third person comes to aid the carrying of the the person who male 1 was struggling to control.

The figure that reappears is Male 2 he is a taller man and is accompanied by a shorter female with long hair curly like permed style wearing a long beige coat.
They stop momentarily because of the actions of the man in the light jacket crossing the road and the male in the doorway on the opposite side of the street this will become clearer later.
When the man in the light jacket passes they continue to walk on. This action was previously thought to be the man pausing to reach into his pocket but thats not case.

male 1 in carrying hold with another male. rucksack on the ground

Male 2 and female.. the second photo showing the female isnt clear due to the editing but she is there

 

[keep-it-real]

Another look at the video:
At 2:38 there is alleyman, who is near the corner. A car is coming from CL's home direction. There isn't a standing man anymore, which was also alleyman. Alleyman is near the corner, next second will turn his head back and to the left (as said time ago: like a criminal, who makes sure that nobody is there), then will disappear around the corner.
If there were 2 men, who had carried a third person, where should they have gone? They didn't come from the left side, otherwise I must have seen them. They didn't come from CL's home, otherwise I had seen them going somewhere: along Heworth Rd. or around the corner to Heworth Pl.

I'm trying so hard, but I can't see, what you described.

Ive tried to tell PJ where in the footage 2.38 to go to to make things as easy as possible for him to view the man being carried as I know he finds the cctv footage fustrating to view in detail.
You must always remember that the footage we are trying to view is heavily edited which means some parts of it are misssing
What I try to do is to find gaps in the avail footage that will help peice together possible activty that is missing. so you like me will have to do work to enable you see some of that I cant show you frame by frame as this would involve posting too many stills. so I have to be selective. and also there are some stills that I would be reluctant to show right now.
If you look at the footage when the light person crosses the rd he is in fact accompanied by at least one other person wether its him or the other person that aids male 1 to carry the other I cannot tell because the carrying of the man happens right on the corner and the second man is always behind the building. I believe the man/rucksack could possibly be put into a passing car but equally I have suspicion that one of the terrace of houses on heworth rd may have been used that night.
I understand the difficulty in explaining all this to someone if I was sat next to you showing on the computer things might be more clearer but thats not possible.
This is a still of the light jacket man crossing the road with another person in a longer light jacket and a still which Ive darkend slightly to show the figure who in my opinion is being carried, the rucksack again on the ground at the standing mans feet

 

[keep-it-real]

Could you please post this footage? I just can’t see any of that.

Read down to my reply to FG @Jennifersausage it may help a little

 

[Sillybilly]

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Some posts were removed because they were too difficult and time consuming to repair.

 

[Vixey]

WHY at her mother's flat? Why not at her father's flat? What is the diffference, if there is one for you?

Perhaps a friend has done this previously when claudia was in no state to go home,so dropped claudia to her mothers flat a left her on the sofa x

 

[Popejohn3]

Okay I posted but was deleted in reply why ( possibly) people can see things while others are not able to !
Years ago they’ve invented a one billion pixel camera supposedly to look at the sky but there is no reason why these cameras should not be pointing down !
The inventor appeared in a reader’s Digest article possibly more than 15 years ago . He was proudly showing his invention of a 1 billion plus camera.
And one can run the clip back in time ie say a car explosion... ‘paint’ the car and follow it back to its garage !
Google it ... now they have multi billion pixel cameras in operation and i will never believe they are all pointing towards the sky !

 

[keep-it-real]

Okay I posted but was deleted in reply why ( possibly) people can see things while others are not able to !
Years ago they’ve invented a one billion pixel camera supposedly to look at the sky but there is no reason why these cameras should not be pointing down !
The inventor appeared in a reader’s Digest article possibly more than 15 years ago . He was proudly showing his invention of a 1 billion plus camera.
And one can run the clip back in time ie say a car explosion... ‘paint’ the car and follow it back to its garage !
Google it ... now they have multi billion pixel cameras in operation and i will never believe they are all pointing towards the sky !

The billion pixcel one was a $25 million (£16 million) project and funded by the US Department of Defence's Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 2012 albeit an experimental one.
funded by DARPA as an advanced Defense Research project probably answers your question as to the reasons why its pointed skyward

 

[Popejohn3]

The billion pixcel one was a $25 million (£16 million) project and funded by the US Department of Defence's Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 2012 albeit an experimental one.
funded by DARPA as an advanced Defense Research project probably answers your question as to the reasons why its pointed skyward

No no the one I’m referring to is much older and stands to reason why they don’t let the public know about until years and years later if ever !