UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #11

[keep-it-real]

Going back to Claudia and a possible landline and internet I decided to take a look at the outside of the house hoping it might shed some light on what connections she had to the house but bearin in mind that presence of wiring may not necessaily mean they were in use internally.
Here are some photos of the house any thoughts on what you can see

 

[Popejohn3]

Going back to Claudia and a possible landline and internet I decided to take a look at the outside of the house hoping it might shed some light on what connections she had to the house but bearin in mind that presence of wiring may not necessaily mean they were in use internally.
Here are some photos of the house any thoughts on what you can see
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Claudia Lawrence: Donal MacIntyre questions police investigation

Written ‘proof’ that Claudia did not have a landline?

 

[Officer Dibble]

Ive tried to tell PJ where in the footage 2.38 to go to to make things as easy as possible for him to view the man being carried as I know he finds the cctv footage fustrating to view in detail.
You must always remember that the footage we are trying to view is heavily edited which means some parts of it are misssing
What I try to do is to find gaps in the avail footage that will help peice together possible activty that is missing. so you like me will have to do work to enable you see some of that I cant show you frame by frame as this would involve posting too many stills. so I have to be selective. and also there are some stills that I would be reluctant to show right now.
If you look at the footage when the light person crosses the rd he is in fact accompanied by at least one other person wether its him or the other person that aids male 1 to carry the other I cannot tell because the carrying of the man happens right on the corner and the second man is always behind the building. I believe the man/rucksack could possibly be put into a passing car but equally I have suspicion that one of the terrace of houses on heworth rd may have been used that night.
I understand the difficulty in explaining all this to someone if I was sat next to you showing on the computer things might be more clearer but thats not possible.
This is a still of the light jacket man crossing the road with another person in a longer light jacket and a still which Ive darkend slightly to show the figure who in my opinion is being carried, the rucksack again on the ground at the standing mans feet
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I'm really struggling with this. I did think I could see a rucksack on the ground but when I went back to original video and paused it moment by moment I realised it was the change of light/shadow moving to a different position imo. Though I do agree the video is edited just before bag man walks to the right around the corner.

I've seen a couple at the beginning of the video crossing the same small side street. Are you referring to this couple? Or another couple? How many people were around at that time of the morning??

Also can you clarify which street you mention is being crossed each time. I assume you don't mean the main road is being crossed and that you are referring to the side street the bag man is walking along - the one that leads to the back of CL row of houses - that is the road that is being crossed all the time?

What is a stretcher hold?

 

[keep-it-real]

I'm really struggling with this. I did think I could see a rucksack on the ground but when I went back to original video and paused it moment by moment I realised it was the change of light/shadow moving to a different position imo. Though I do agree the video is edited just before bag man walks to the right around the corner. in combination of viewing the video at its slowest setting and highest quality I use a photo editor to look at the stills Ive taken more closely I use zoom exposure contrast brightness HD lighting etc this I doesnt change the photo from its original form I just use the tools to enable me to see figures and objects more clearly when Ive done this I can either save athe clearer image or have a clearer image in memory now and can go back to view more of the original cctv footage. By identifying them I can then look out for them throughout the footage even parts of the footage may be missing due to edits. Its not a process that can be rushed but the more you replay all the cctv footage the more comfortable you will get as to what you can actually see. Without a photo editor it will be difficult to see as much detail which maybe why some people may be finding it difficult to see the detail in some of the cctv.
In regard to the rucksack as the man is struggling to maintain hold of the other man the rucksack is dropped thats when you see it on the ground as the male maintains hold of the other he has to negotiate his feet over it so this where you may see it as a moving shadow when running the main footage.
I've seen a couple at the beginning of the video crossing the same small side street. Are you referring to this couple? Or another couple? How many people were around at that time of the morning?? I will need to know the couple you are talking about can you post a photo still of them pls you can pm me with it if you wish.
Also can you clarify which street you mention is being crossed each time. I assume you don't mean the main road is being crossed and that you are referring to the side street the bag man is walking along - the one that leads to the back of CL row of houses - that is the road that is being crossed all the time? I understand there maybe some confusion about the naming of streets as I have heard people describe them differently ie The Limes turning or heworth place turning.Can I ask what would you call the pavement alleyman walks so I can be clear when I reply?
When I talk about the light jacket man crossing the main road I am talking about him walking left to right on heworth rd as seen in the cctv footage
A stretcher hold would be explain how a person is being carried by two others, one person holding him under his arms under the other persons hold his legs.

 

[keep-it-real]

How many people were around at that time of the morning??

The footage is of the evening of the 18th not the morning

 

[Popejohn3]

If the police edited out people then they are being deceitful !
They know we know that people always recognise themselves for one thing they would remember they were there unless drunk

 

[keep-it-real]

If the police edited out people then they are being deceitful !
They know we know that people always recognise themselves for one thing they would remember they were there unless drunk

When criminal activity is captured on cctv edited versions are used to to protect the identities of other people in the footage who are not involved in the crime

 

[keep-it-real]

Did anyone else notice that SC appears to be wearing a wire in the Billy Dosanjh video.

 

[Popejohn3]

Did anyone else notice that SC appears to be wearing a wire in the Billy Dosanjh video.
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By wire we often mean secret recordings . Nothing secret about that .perhaps she wanted a recording of the whole thing after experiencing manipulations from the media ?

 

[Popejohn3]

When criminal activity is captured on cctv edited versions are used to to protect the identities of other people in the footage who are not involved in the crime

I don’t see anything criminal in the footage I’m afraid

 

[Popejohn3]

Dai malyn was meant to revisit all of the investigation so what happened to low priority 5% ?
Again what’s not in there ?
Cuba was not mentioned nor Manchester!
In part 2 I’m not sure but did they say that Chris Halliwell drunk in the NH ?
Did Malyn go back to Cyprus?
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Would the eye witness of the couple talking at the bridge and the other of couple close to parked car with passenger door open
Please be brave if you are here ...you’re still anonymous after all reaffirm what you witnessed years ago because some people on ws believe you’ve made it all up?
I honestly believe that these people are following this thread I mean the witnesses !

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Did anyone else notice that SC appears to be wearing a wire in the Billy Dosanjh video.
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I notice, that JK does NOT - why does SC have a micro on her shirt and JK doesn't??

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Ive tried to tell PJ where in the footage 2.38 to go to to make things as easy as possible for him to view the man being carried as I know he finds the cctv footage fustrating to view in detail.
You must always remember that the footage we are trying to view is heavily edited which means some parts of it are misssing
What I try to do is to find gaps in the avail footage that will help peice together possible activty that is missing. so you like me will have to do work to enable you see some of that I cant show you frame by frame as this would involve posting too many stills. so I have to be selective. and also there are some stills that I would be reluctant to show right now.
If you look at the footage when the light person crosses the rd he is in fact accompanied by at least one other person wether its him or the other person that aids male 1 to carry the other I cannot tell because the carrying of the man happens right on the corner and the second man is always behind the building. I believe the man/rucksack could possibly be put into a passing car but equally I have suspicion that one of the terrace of houses on heworth rd may have been used that night.
I understand the difficulty in explaining all this to someone if I was sat next to you showing on the computer things might be more clearer but thats not possible.
This is a still of the light jacket man crossing the road with another person in a longer light jacket and a still which Ive darkend slightly to show the figure who in my opinion is being carried, the rucksack again on the ground at the standing mans feet
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Do you think, alleyman is standing on his certain place for longer than only seconds, if he had put the rucksack to his feet?
Or is he standing at different places? (Behind at the wall? Under the street lamp at the corner?)

 

[keep-it-real]

By wire we often mean secret recordings . Nothing secret about that .perhaps she wanted a recording of the whole thing after experiencing manipulations from the media ?

Have you considered that she may have felt or been threatened we know other people had ben threatened and the wearing of a wire would offer the police a chance to capture verbal interactions she may have had that day.
Did the police already have voice recordings of threats?

 

[keep-it-real]

Do you think, alleyman is standing on his certain place for longer than only seconds, if he had put the rucksack to his feet?
Or is he standing at different places? (Behind at the wall? Under the street lamp at the corner?)

To be clear FG he dropped the rucksack while struggling with the man
I have always said in my opinion there are 2 alleymen one is much taller than the other. You are correct in saying that one of them (the taller one) is shown standing still halfway on that stretch of pavement from the corner of heworth rd and Heworth Plce.
Im also including a still of the white jacket man on the corner of Heworth Road if you look carefully at least 2 possibly 3 other men are with him there.

 

[Popejohn3]

Dai malyn was meant to revisit all of the investigation so what happened to low priority 5% ?
Again what’s not in there ?
Cuba was not mentioned nor Manchester!
In part 2 I’m not sure but did they say that Chris Halliwell drunk in the NH ?
Did Malyn go back to Cyprus?
————————————
Would the eye witness of the couple talking at the bridge and the other of couple close to parked car with passenger door open
Please be brave if you are here ...you’re still anonymous after all reaffirm what you witnessed years ago because some people on ws believe you’ve made it all up?
I honestly believe that these people are following this thread I mean the witnesses !

The above seems random and looks as if I’m loosing my marbles because admin took down links to seeing red podcasts part 1 and part 2 saying not approved !
Yet many pod casts are posted here :Question who has to approve them ?

 

[Vixey]

The above seems random and looks as if I’m loosing my marbles because admin took down links to seeing red podcasts part 1 and part 2 saying not approved !
Yet many pod casts are posted here :Question who has to approve them ?

Alley man is seen both morning and evening cctv, both occasions he is not alone. This is two or more persons who planed their actions to be played out on cctv! He paused due to the fact his timing was out. what does this tell/show police /public ? are they diverting away from a specific area. If planned, Then by who and for what reason would they do so Perhaps There was already a person inside claudias home at the time of evening cctv. we’re they looking for that person rather than claudia x

 

[Popejohn3]

Alley man is seen both morning and evening cctv, both occasions he is not alone. This is two or more persons who planed their actions to be played out on cctv! He paused due to the fact his timing was out. what does this tell/show police /public ? are they diverting away from a specific area. If planned, Then by who and for what reason would they do so Perhaps There was already a person inside claudias home at the time of evening cctv. we’re they looking for that person rather than claudia x

Sorry in both morning and evening I only see just the one man going to the back of her house and returning probably to her front door.Full stop.

 

[Vixey]

Sorry in both morning and evening I only see just the one man going to the back of her house and returning probably to her front door.Full stop.

The guy In white jacket is with alley man x

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I'm really struggling with this. I did think I could see a rucksack on the ground but when I went back to original video and paused it moment by moment I realised it was the change of light/shadow moving to a different position imo. Though I do agree the video is edited just before bag man walks to the right around the corner.

I've seen a couple at the beginning of the video crossing the same small side street. Are you referring to this couple? Or another couple? How many people were around at that time of the morning??

Also can you clarify which street you mention is being crossed each time. I assume you don't mean the main road is being crossed and that you are referring to the side street the bag man is walking along - the one that leads to the back of CL row of houses - that is the road that is being crossed all the time?

What is a stretcher hold?

One person takes the legs/feet of someone and the second person takes the shoulders/armpits and so they carry the someone (third person) away. Like on a stretcher.
I googled it.