UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #11

[oudzuid]

Do you honestly believe somebody found a rucksack? Apparntly on the same day she went missing bags found apparantly but no body too this day as been found
This is a simple case made complicated by lies.

Personally I don't believe the bag reporting but that is my opinion and others are fully entitled to their own. We should explore these reporting's and if we don't believe them we should personally dismiss them.
I do agree that there have been many lies and distractions to the truth though.

 

[Madpaul71]

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Personally I don't believe the bag reporting but that is my opinion and others are fully entitled to their own. We should explore these reporting's and if we don't believe them we should personally dismiss them.
I do agree that there have been many lies and distractions to the truth though.

I'm with you that everyone as an opinion but it's another distraction from the truth. As of the start of this case distrtactics from start with alley man cars outside Claudia house. The staging of leaving certain things around her home. Police going on wild goose chases 2 Cyprus & other places along with the couple arguing all just too suggest she had left home to go to work.

 

[oudzuid]

I'm with you that everyone as an opinion but it's another distraction from the truth. As of the start of this case distrtactics from start with alley man cars outside Claudia house. The staging of leaving certain things around her home. Police going on wild goose chases 2 Cyprus & other places along with the couple arguing all just too suggest she had left home to go to work.

@Madpaul71 I support what you say and I also am of the mind that all of the activity around Claudia's house and many of the reporting's / her house contents were likely to have been staged and yes it appears to have worked as much of the discussion online is based around the points you mention.

Having said that, this will happen in many missing / murder cases and of course you and I could be wrong.

I now prefer to look at what I call fact based investigation and I will post more on this today.

 

[oudzuid]

What do we know for sure?

M_S was one of first people to be arrested but then released (Malyn era) He had left the UNI employ at this stage and was working for the charity MIND.

He had been questioned previously and his York property had been searched (Galloway era) At this time he was working at York UNI in the science area. He was known to give Claudia lifts to work.

On the arrest, his property was searched and his Mothers property in the North East of England was also searched as was his car.
Strangely, his house was boarded up.
To the best of my knowledge, no other searched property was boarded up.

Did M_S meet Claudia in the Nags or at the Café in the UNI?
The café today opens at 09:00.
I wondered if they served breakfast earlier to staff and not students?

On the morning of 19th March, there was a person seen at Claudia's door at 6;45 approx.. A time that unless Claudia was off work, she would have been at work and if off work, would she have been entertaining anyone?
Certainly a door to door sales person would be unlikely to call at this time.

Was the person at the door M_S who had noticed she was not at work and had he reverse driven the pick up route to find her?

Following M_S arrest and release, the alleyway behind Claudia's house was searched and following this search A_C was arrested.

Following A_C arrest the final 3 were arrested:

P_R, S_R and D_E_R.

Is it an assumption by many, including MSM that M_S was being arrested over the Claudia case and if he was, did he provide information that lead to both the alley search and the further arrest.

Equally, was A_C arrested because of something that M_S revealed and did A_C arrest information lead to the arrest of the final 3?

If police wanted to ensure 4 or 5 people did not have the opportunity to get together and discuss their "Defence story" I believe that the police would have arrested all at the same time.

Interested in others thoughts her?

 

[Madpaul71]

Maybe it was MS checking on Claudia. As somebody tried putting him in the scene of the crime? It seems someone's tried setting him up. Maybe his house as been boarded up too stop people trying look inside. Sometimes police board houses up if they suspect the person was involved & may of been a scene of suspicion again something may of been planted in his house.

 

[oudzuid]

Maybe it was MS checking on Claudia. As somebody tried putting him in the scene of the crime? It seems someone's tried setting him up. Maybe his house as been boarded up too stop people trying look inside. Sometimes police board houses up if they suspect the person was involved & may of been a scene of suspicion again something may of been planted in his house.

Good thinking @Madpaul71 I wonder why they didn't try harder to secure Claudia's house?

Whilst I'm not suggesting they should have turned into a "Fred Wes"t situation, I do feel that there should have been more put into securing this property than there was.

Initially it was because Claudia was deemed to be missing that the house was not taken to be a crime scene but as soon as Galloway decided that he was treating her disappearance as a murder investigation, he should have put more security in place and TBH anyone could have planted distracting evidence in her house at any time.

Perhaps it would require a locksmith, but was it not a locksmith who was arrested and released any became a POI and subject to the consideration of the CPS?

 

[Madpaul71]

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Good thinking @Madpaul71 I wonder why they didn't try harder to secure Claudia's house?

Whilst I'm not suggesting they should have turned into a "Fred Wes"t situation, I do feel that there should have been more put into securing this property than there was.

Initially it was because Claudia was deemed to be missing that the house was not taken to be a crime scene but as soon as Galloway decided that he was treating her disappearance as a murder investigation, he should have put more security in place and TBH anyone could have planted distracting evidence in her house at any time.

Perhaps it would require a locksmith, but was it not a locksmith who was arrested and released any became a POI and subject to the consideration of the CPS?

Possible reason not to do a fred west on Claudia house is they knew straight away it was staged police do this day in day out probily knew it was all staged. I don't think she was murdered there possibly taken willingly or not willingly too NH. I then think she was taken too river but not put there. Just leaving a scent for dogs this was really planned out act & it was no accident.

 

[Madpaul71]

Police know what happened problem is no motive apart from

Good thinking @Madpaul71 I wonder why they didn't try harder to secure Claudia's house?

Whilst I'm not suggesting they should have turned into a "Fred Wes"t situation, I do feel that there should have been more put into securing this property than there was.

Initially it was because Claudia was deemed to be missing that the house was not taken to be a crime scene but as soon as Galloway decided that he was treating her disappearance as a murder investigation, he should have put more security in place and TBH anyone could have planted distracting evidence in her house at any time.

Perhaps it would require a locksmith, but was it not a locksmith who was arrested and released any became a POI and subject to the consideration of the CPS?

I was catching up on another thread today when police started seachng back alley the big why would you do this after 6 years maybe the thinking in this is the perps have left another red herring to throw police off. I was just looking at some comments laughing at police. If somebody gives some evidence how ever small police will search that area. I know this was some years ago.

 

[Madpaul71]

I was meant 2 mention locksmith it would not matter as JK would of had a key or maybe another one knocked up 2 give 2 someone. Locksmith might be required if CL had changed locks.

 

[Madpaul71]

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Possible Mr Big nobody needs too

You see all this talk about a possible mr big might be having the opposite effect .
By biging these ‘criminals’ up ( if they exist that is ) we might be frightening possible witnesses like her girl -friends.
Including ( though hopefully not ) young police /detectives with young families !
Don’t do the dirty work of organised crime !
Is what I say .
What do you think ?

I hope individuals are not scared of Mr Big & his boyz I certainly am not scared of him along with the police and detectives. Mr Big & his cronies are just bullies.

 

[Madpaul71]

Possible reason not to do a fred west on Claudia house is they knew straight away it was staged police do this day in day out probily knew it was all staged. I don't think she was murdered there possibly taken willingly or not willingly too NH. I then think she was taken too river but not put there. Just leaving a scent for dogs this was really planned out act & it was no accident.

Also who put the idea in CL mums head about CH when absolutely no chance it could of been him was this down 2 CL friends? Another let's waste police time resources & money?

 

[Madpaul71]

Good thinking @Madpaul71 I wonder why they didn't try harder to secure Claudia's house?

Whilst I'm not suggesting they should have turned into a "Fred Wes"t situation, I do feel that there should have been more put into securing this property than there was.

Initially it was because Claudia was deemed to be missing that the house was not taken to be a crime scene but as soon as Galloway decided that he was treating her disappearance as a murder investigation, he should have put more security in place and TBH anyone could have planted distracting evidence in her house at any time.

Perhaps it would require a locksmith, but was it not a locksmith who was arrested and released any became a POI and subject to the consideration of the CPS?

I was just reading the appoligy to MS I deffo think someone tried setting him up and it back fired on them. The only evidence found were from the arrested 4.

 

[Madpaul71]

Few close up

Also who put the idea in CL mums head about CH when absolutely no chance it could of been him was this down 2 CL friends? Another let's waste police time resources & money?

I've been doing some research CL was avoiding the NH pub that week but in one statement by someone she never went out drinking when she had work the next day.

 

[oudzuid]

I was meant 2 mention locksmith it would not matter as JK would of had a key or maybe another one knocked up 2 give 2 someone. Locksmith might be required if CL had changed locks.

I wonder if J_K had a key on the night of 19th March after her shift as a barmaid at the Nags ended when it was proclaimed that she was very worried about CL not turning up for meeting with S_C? J_K was known to have walked home that night with P_R and walked past CL house. She didn't knock or use key to gain access. I appreciate that it would be ate but the girls were likely to have had the means to have gained access to her house earlier when she didn't turn up.

S_C did say that this was not unusual behaviour of CL to no show-Was CL a frequent entertainer perhaps.

 

[oudzuid]

In the CH5 doc, A_L, Cludias sister claimed that her Dad rang her at Tea time which would be AFTER reporting CL missing to enquire if A_L had seen or heard from Clauds?
Would you not have done that check before ringing police and not 3-4 hours after reporting her missing in case CL was with her sister?

The Mum was also said to be staying with A_L and the grandchildren at the time.
Did P_L check with the Mum even. I appreciate that they were parted and not speaking but after all this was important and the type of circumstances that would have initiated a conversation or even a getting together to help find Claudia.

I wonder what the acrimonious split was due to and was this relevant to the case?

IMO I find the long period of time there was silence from a prolific texter / communicator the type of gap that really should have alerted Friends / nearest and dearest far earlier.

It is this part of the case that doesn't appear to be normal for me and demands further investigation. I appreciate that this may mean having difficult conversations with people but who is it that want to find her most?

 

[oudzuid]

Few close up

I've been doing some research CL was avoiding the NH pub that week but in one statement by someone she never went out drinking when she had work the next day.

Is that a story that CL used to tell her parents and perhaps the same story she told them about being in bed at 9

 

[oudzuid]

When I studied the photos of Claudia's house I started thinking about some of the pictures and whether they were as police found things or did police show photos to either get people asking questions / Perps worried?

I will name a few photos here:

Could the ultra violet light from the sunbed be seen by Alley man as she was due to holiday at Easter?

The Mop and Bucket left out from the broom cupboard in the kitchen next to back door-Was this a clean up

The hair dye and sanitary item displayed by police on her toilet seat-What else could hair dye / peroxide type bleach be used for other then hair?? / Why display a sanitary item??

The strange circular marks on the kitchen pine door-They were not Knots in the wood. Had these marks been created by being bleached?

The large footprints on her "dusted" weighing scales in bathroom with Builder boot type treads-Hardly CLs trainers or boot marks-But if Alleyman had been wearing an oversized pair of Boots (E.G. Was he a she?) Would this cause them to have the claimed Limp?

The fireplace in her living room with ash in the hearth-Had something been burnt?

The cardboard boxes in living room-Had she taken delivery of something after bin day only a day or two before?

Her clothes rummaged through-Was someone looking for something?

Lots of questions sorry but Im only asking questions where I see things that all can see. MSM article attached here:

Eight years after the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence her mum reveals her agony upon return to missing chef's broken home

What do others see?

 

[Madpaul71]

When I studied the photos of Claudia's house I started thinking about some of the pictures and whether they were as police found things or did police show photos to either get people asking questions / Perps worried?

I will name a few photos here:

Could the ultra violet light from the sunbed be seen by Alley man as she was due to holiday at Easter?

The Mop and Bucket left out from the broom cupboard in the kitchen next to back door-Was this a clean up

The hair dye and sanitary item displayed by police on her toilet seat-What else could hair dye / peroxide type bleach be used for other then hair?? / Why display a sanitary item??

The strange circular marks on the kitchen pine door-They were not Knots in the wood. Had these marks been created by being bleached?

The large footprints on her "dusted" weighing scales in bathroom with Builder boot type treads-Hardly CLs trainers or boot marks-But if Alleyman had been wearing an oversized pair of Boots (E.G. Was he a she?) Would this cause them to have the claimed Limp?

The fireplace in her living room with ash in the hearth-Had something been burnt?

The cardboard boxes in living room-Had she taken delivery of something after bin day only a day or two before?

Her clothes rummaged through-Was someone looking for something?

Lots of questions sorry but Im only asking questions where I see things that all can see. MSM article attached here:

Eight years after the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence her mum reveals her agony upon return to missing chef's broken home

What do others see?

 

[Madpaul71]

I wonder if J_K had a key on the night of 19th March after her shift as a barmaid at the Nags ended when it was proclaimed that she was very worried about CL not turning up for meeting with S_C? J_K was known to have walked home that night with P_R and walked past CL house. She didn't knock or use key to gain access. I appreciate that it would be ate but the girls were likely to have had the means to have gained access to her house earlier when she didn't turn up.

S_C did say that this was not unusual behaviour of CL to no show-Was CL a frequent entertainer perhaps.

it's a good possibility JK had key somebody she deffantly knew were in her house. Probily went through back alley 2 back door & then staged her house. I'm not saying JK was behind the moving of Claudia this was already done. How confident are we of JL getting a day wrong may not of been in contact with CL that day no phone records hard 2 prove unless police got access too her phone bill.

 

[Madpaul71]

Is that a story that CL used to tell her parents and perhaps the same story she told them about being in bed at 9

I had too look up were I saw this quote. GF the NG landlord said she would only enjoy a night out in her local when she didn't have work the next day that's how conscientious she was.