UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #11

[Popejohn3]

Hello, this is my first post here, I have been reading these threads for months now with great interest and I've finally caught up. I lived on E Parade as a student in 2014-15 (when the four arrests happened) and I stayed in the Heworth area for a little over a year after that before moving away from York. I've always been fascinated by this case and even more so now that I've lived in the area.

The 'buried in the foundations of the uni' theory seems to be a big one among locals, I'm not sure I buy that one though. I'm not sure what my solid thoughts and theories are as there's so many on here that could make sense but like many of you I definitely feel like those close to her know more than they're letting on.

They probably do know more but not necessarily on what actually happened to CL.
They are probably digging up the dirt on each other in a genuine effort to bring this to an end and clear their name .

 

[Popejohn3]

As well as limes court 24 hour cctv and 24 hr security staff! I believe the uni also has 24hr cctv and presume any shifty behaviour on grounds would have been picked up. The uni and lake on it was searched very quickly after Clauds disappearance, So I also don’t buy the uni/cement/buried either x

What’s this about 24 hour security staff at limes court!!?

 

[Vixey]

What’s this about 24 hour security staff at limes court!!?

Have it saved pope! looking back, but here is some information but have clearer details somewhere x

 

[Vixey]

just looking at limes saved to find the information on 24hr cctv and security x

 

[Blonderabbit]

But what if he is not local but what if he did not spend that night with her ?
And do you think the Allyman is the man you are referring too ?

ok, so the police case seems to be centred around those arrested and with the police holding most of the information that could of been gathered at the time of her disappearance, it could lead you to believe thjat they are looking in the right direction. this of course creates a bias - tending to favour an outcome involving those arrested (especially the four). the alleyway man\men has for a long time taken my interest - "curious behaviour" the focus that arrives at 5.42am on the 19th - it fits the time of her being taken to work - however how could she know she was getting a lift and to wait? as when speaking to her parents the evening before she was walking!

I have looked at Alleyway man - the favoured suspect and I can place him in the frame, to a great degree, he lives in the right place, he works in the right place, he has the physical ability to over power someone of claudias statue, he fits the profile of an organised killer, his work involving detail could mean that in crime he's a detailed killer and has a full grasp of DNA evidence. In fact when it comes to dna hes a leading authority. Throughout looking at this case I have had moments, pieces of evidence have slipped together like pieces of a puzzle. The problem is with this case is I am finding myself working on a few different puzzles and only one holds the key to who killed Claudia.

My biggest issue with any of the four, either of the pub landlords, and many of the ones arrested from frequenting the nags head is this - why would any of them kill her she was a much loved, valued friend and secondly and the biggest problem that I cannot get over is why would they all lie to cover it up? two people lying and getting their stories right is one thing, I know Heworth is a close knit community, however the thought of them all lying and being able to evade detection by the police under the investigation process seems impossible to believe.

So just for a minute lets just look at this a fresh way.
Lets imagine that all those arrested, her friends and family are telling the truth. They had nothing to do with her disappearance and the tears you see are real tears, the anger that they feel towards the constant intrusion and accusations is just a natural reaction. that the alleyway man is in fact cartwright that died a few weeks later.so we should now be in a restful state - all those annoying questions answered, none of the cars out front had anything to do with her disappearance, even the ford focus that arrived at 5.42am on the 19th had nothing to do with her.

So now what? Well, on the morning of the 19th a witness said they saw a couple arguing near the university at approx. 6.10am if this was Claudia she would now be late for work, a rucksack was sighted there matching her rucksacks description, another interesting feature of this sighting was a car with the passenger door flung open belonging to a maroon car - could this be a red car that looked maroon in the low or street lighting? who has a car matching this description that the police have interviewed perhaps not amongst the Heworth circle? Another interesting point which i picked up whilst trawling through the media and websleuths previous posts is that analysis alledgedly shows that her phone whilst in remained in the morning in the local area was switched off in the Acomb area. Does this mean its in Acomb or could it in fact be North East of Acomb? Lastly im rather curious about her work colleague, the one who will remain nameless however that day he decided to take a different route to work, is it possible that if claudia did walk their paths may of crossed at some point? can his journey and route be verified? what time did he get to work that day? what time did he leave? his own phone data can that be verified? id like the police to say categorically we have looked at this POI and without a doubt he's innocent. I feel its weird that she tells a work colleague about a new boyfriend but she doesn't tell anyone else, not Jen, not Suzy, Not her Mum or Dad ??? with this unknown entity in the mix it draws attention away . Can the police verify her movements on the night of the 17th March?
I have looked for the programme where this work colleague appeared cant find it as Id like to look at it again. I remember thinking - what curious behaviour.

 

[Nikynoo]

ok, so the police case seems to be centred around those arrested and with the police holding most of the information that could of been gathered at the time of her disappearance, it could lead you to believe thjat they are looking in the right direction. this of course creates a bias - tending to favour an outcome involving those arrested (especially the four). the alleyway man\men has for a long time taken my interest - "curious behaviour" the focus that arrives at 5.42am on the 19th - it fits the time of her being taken to work - however how could she know she was getting a lift and to wait? as when speaking to her parents the evening before she was walking!

I have looked at Alleyway man - the favoured suspect and I can place him in the frame, to a great degree, he lives in the right place, he works in the right place, he has the physical ability to over power someone of claudias statue, he fits the profile of an organised killer, his work involving detail could mean that in crime he's a detailed killer and has a full grasp of DNA evidence. In fact when it comes to dna hes a leading authority. Throughout looking at this case I have had moments, pieces of evidence have slipped together like pieces of a puzzle. The problem is with this case is I am finding myself working on a few different puzzles and only one holds the key to who killed Claudia.

My biggest issue with any of the four, either of the pub landlords, and many of the ones arrested from frequenting the nags head is this - why would any of them kill her she was a much loved, valued friend and secondly and the biggest problem that I cannot get over is why would they all lie to cover it up? two people lying and getting their stories right is one thing, I know Heworth is a close knit community, however the thought of them all lying and being able to evade detection by the police under the investigation process seems impossible to believe.

So just for a minute lets just look at this a fresh way.
Lets imagine that all those arrested, her friends and family are telling the truth. They had nothing to do with her disappearance and the tears you see are real tears, the anger that they feel towards the constant intrusion and accusations is just a natural reaction. that the alleyway man is in fact cartwright that died a few weeks later.so we should now be in a restful state - all those annoying questions answered, none of the cars out front had anything to do with her disappearance, even the ford focus that arrived at 5.42am on the 19th had nothing to do with her.

So now what? Well, on the morning of the 19th a witness said they saw a couple arguing near the university at approx. 6.10am if this was Claudia she would now be late for work, a rucksack was sighted there matching her rucksacks description, another interesting feature of this sighting was a car with the passenger door flung open belonging to a maroon car - could this be a red car that looked maroon in the low or street lighting? who has a car matching this description that the police have interviewed perhaps not amongst the Heworth circle? Another interesting point which i picked up whilst trawling through the media and websleuths previous posts is that analysis alledgedly shows that her phone whilst in remained in the morning in the local area was switched off in the Acomb area. Does this mean its in Acomb or could it in fact be North East of Acomb? Lastly im rather curious about her work colleague, the one who will remain nameless however that day he decided to take a different route to work, is it possible that if claudia did walk their paths may of crossed at some point? can his journey and route be verified? what time did he get to work that day? what time did he leave? his own phone data can that be verified? id like the police to say categorically we have looked at this POI and without a doubt he's innocent. I feel its weird that she tells a work colleague about a new boyfriend but she doesn't tell anyone else, not Jen, not Suzy, Not her Mum or Dad ??? with this unknown entity in the mix it draws attention away . Can the police verify her movements on the night of the 17th March?
I have looked for the programme where this work colleague appeared cant find it as Id like to look at it again. I remember thinking - what curious behaviour.

BBM - This! You're not the only one curious!

 

[Nikynoo]

ok, so the police case seems to be centred around those arrested and with the police holding most of the information that could of been gathered at the time of her disappearance, it could lead you to believe thjat they are looking in the right direction. this of course creates a bias - tending to favour an outcome involving those arrested (especially the four). the alleyway man\men has for a long time taken my interest - "curious behaviour" the focus that arrives at 5.42am on the 19th - it fits the time of her being taken to work - however how could she know she was getting a lift and to wait? as when speaking to her parents the evening before she was walking!

I have looked at Alleyway man - the favoured suspect and I can place him in the frame, to a great degree, he lives in the right place, he works in the right place, he has the physical ability to over power someone of claudias statue, he fits the profile of an organised killer, his work involving detail could mean that in crime he's a detailed killer and has a full grasp of DNA evidence. In fact when it comes to dna hes a leading authority. Throughout looking at this case I have had moments, pieces of evidence have slipped together like pieces of a puzzle. The problem is with this case is I am finding myself working on a few different puzzles and only one holds the key to who killed Claudia.

My biggest issue with any of the four, either of the pub landlords, and many of the ones arrested from frequenting the nags head is this - why would any of them kill her she was a much loved, valued friend and secondly and the biggest problem that I cannot get over is why would they all lie to cover it up? two people lying and getting their stories right is one thing, I know Heworth is a close knit community, however the thought of them all lying and being able to evade detection by the police under the investigation process seems impossible to believe.

So just for a minute lets just look at this a fresh way.
Lets imagine that all those arrested, her friends and family are telling the truth. They had nothing to do with her disappearance and the tears you see are real tears, the anger that they feel towards the constant intrusion and accusations is just a natural reaction. that the alleyway man is in fact cartwright that died a few weeks later.so we should now be in a restful state - all those annoying questions answered, none of the cars out front had anything to do with her disappearance, even the ford focus that arrived at 5.42am on the 19th had nothing to do with her.

So now what? Well, on the morning of the 19th a witness said they saw a couple arguing near the university at approx. 6.10am if this was Claudia she would now be late for work, a rucksack was sighted there matching her rucksacks description, another interesting feature of this sighting was a car with the passenger door flung open belonging to a maroon car - could this be a red car that looked maroon in the low or street lighting? who has a car matching this description that the police have interviewed perhaps not amongst the Heworth circle? Another interesting point which i picked up whilst trawling through the media and websleuths previous posts is that analysis alledgedly shows that her phone whilst in remained in the morning in the local area was switched off in the Acomb area. Does this mean its in Acomb or could it in fact be North East of Acomb? Lastly im rather curious about her work colleague, the one who will remain nameless however that day he decided to take a different route to work, is it possible that if claudia did walk their paths may of crossed at some point? can his journey and route be verified? what time did he get to work that day? what time did he leave? his own phone data can that be verified? id like the police to say categorically we have looked at this POI and without a doubt he's innocent. I feel its weird that she tells a work colleague about a new boyfriend but she doesn't tell anyone else, not Jen, not Suzy, Not her Mum or Dad ??? with this unknown entity in the mix it draws attention away . Can the police verify her movements on the night of the 17th March?
I have looked for the programme where this work colleague appeared cant find it as Id like to look at it again. I remember thinking - what curious behaviour.

was it this documentary? Claudia Lawrence: Missing or Murdered - Channel 5

 

[Blonderabbit]

BBM - This! You're not the only one curious!

can you enlighten me as to what your thoughts, concerns are? what makes you curious and how could this person be tied in - motive?

 

[Popejohn3]

ok, so the police case seems to be centred around those arrested and with the police holding most of the information that could of been gathered at the time of her disappearance, it could lead you to believe thjat they are looking in the right direction. this of course creates a bias - tending to favour an outcome involving those arrested (especially the four). the alleyway man\men has for a long time taken my interest - "curious behaviour" the focus that arrives at 5.42am on the 19th - it fits the time of her being taken to work - however how could she know she was getting a lift and to wait? as when speaking to her parents the evening before she was walking!

I have looked at Alleyway man - the favoured suspect and I can place him in the frame, to a great degree, he lives in the right place, he works in the right place, he has the physical ability to over power someone of claudias statue, he fits the profile of an organised killer, his work involving detail could mean that in crime he's a detailed killer and has a full grasp of DNA evidence. In fact when it comes to dna hes a leading authority. Throughout looking at this case I have had moments, pieces of evidence have slipped together like pieces of a puzzle. The problem is with this case is I am finding myself working on a few different puzzles and only one holds the key to who killed Claudia.

My biggest issue with any of the four, either of the pub landlords, and many of the ones arrested from frequenting the nags head is this - why would any of them kill her she was a much loved, valued friend and secondly and the biggest problem that I cannot get over is why would they all lie to cover it up? two people lying and getting their stories right is one thing, I know Heworth is a close knit community, however the thought of them all lying and being able to evade detection by the police under the investigation process seems impossible to believe.

So just for a minute lets just look at this a fresh way.
Lets imagine that all those arrested, her friends and family are telling the truth. They had nothing to do with her disappearance and the tears you see are real tears, the anger that they feel towards the constant intrusion and accusations is just a natural reaction. that the alleyway man is in fact cartwright that died a few weeks later.so we should now be in a restful state - all those annoying questions answered, none of the cars out front had anything to do with her disappearance, even the ford focus that arrived at 5.42am on the 19th had nothing to do with her.

So now what? Well, on the morning of the 19th a witness said they saw a couple arguing near the university at approx. 6.10am if this was Claudia she would now be late for work, a rucksack was sighted there matching her rucksacks description, another interesting feature of this sighting was a car with the passenger door flung open belonging to a maroon car - could this be a red car that looked maroon in the low or street lighting? who has a car matching this description that the police have interviewed perhaps not amongst the Heworth circle? Another interesting point which i picked up whilst trawling through the media and websleuths previous posts is that analysis alledgedly shows that her phone whilst in remained in the morning in the local area was switched off in the Acomb area. Does this mean its in Acomb or could it in fact be North East of Acomb? Lastly im rather curious about her work colleague, the one who will remain nameless however that day he decided to take a different route to work, is it possible that if claudia did walk their paths may of crossed at some point? can his journey and route be verified? what time did he get to work that day? what time did he leave? his own phone data can that be verified? id like the police to say categorically we have looked at this POI and without a doubt he's innocent. I feel its weird that she tells a work colleague about a new boyfriend but she doesn't tell anyone else, not Jen, not Suzy, Not her Mum or Dad ??? with this unknown entity in the mix it draws attention away . Can the police verify her movements on the night of the 17th March?
I have looked for the programme where this work colleague appeared cant find it as Id like to look at it again. I remember thinking - what curious behaviour.

Very good analyses but you should also have carried on with the good questions did her works colleague have a similar car and does he fit the description of the arguing man ?
Her phone was switched off within a nine mile radius which included the uni her home and Acombe .
We don’t know she did not tell any of those vou mention !

 

[Blonderabbit]

Very good analyses but you should also have carried on with the good questions did her works colleague have a similar car and does he fit the description of the arguing man ?
Her phone was switched off within a nine mile radius which included the uni her home and Acombe .
We don’t know she did not tell any of those vou mention !

Very good analyses but you should also have carried on with the good questions did her works colleague have a similar car and does he fit the description of the arguing man ?
Her phone was switched off within a nine mile radius which included the uni her home and Acombe .
We don’t know she did not tell any of those vou mention !

true we don't know however there has been no reporting to suggest she did tell anyone else, no one knows of her secret new boyfriend apart from Red car Man

 

[Popejohn3]

true we don't know however there has been no reporting to suggest she did tell anyone else, no one knows of her secret new boyfriend apart from Red car Man

That is not quite true is it ?
D.O told them about new boyfriend .
Dan told them about new boyfriend.

Any one else ?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

What’s this about 24 hour security staff at limes court!!?

THAT I find very interesting! Security staff - I would like to know, which characters were working for it!

 

[Blonderabbit]

That is not quite true is it ?
D.O told them about new boyfriend .
Dan told them about new boyfriend.

Any one else ?

Where does it say Dan told people about a new boyfriend and who is yours truly?

 

[Popejohn3]

Where does it say Dan told people about a new boyfriend and who is yours truly?

Can someone help me out and put up daily mail article quoting Dan talking about Claudia please for Blonderabbit ?

 

[Blonderabbit]

Can someone help me out and put up daily mail article quoting Dan talking about Claudia please for Blonderabbit ?

I wouldn’t completely trust Daily Mail as I’ve found inaccuracies - though be interesting to read it if any one can show me. You also said “yours truly” who’s that?

 

[Popejohn3]

Missing chef Claudia Lawrence: So how many married lovers did she have? | Daily Mail Online
Matt @Blonderabbit
Way way down the article sorry about the other gossips in the article

 

[Blonderabbit]

Missing chef Claudia Lawrence: So how many married lovers did she have? | Daily Mail Online
Matt @Blonderabbit
Way way down the article sorry about the other gossips in the article

 

[Blonderabbit]

So it says “The last time I heard from her was in October when she sent a text to tell me she had a new boyfriend,' he says. But who that 'boyfriend' is nobody appears to know.”

as in October 2008? So six months earlier? Would you still describe a boyfriend as new six months later to Red Car Man?

 

[Nikynoo]

can you enlighten me as to what your thoughts, concerns are? what makes you curious and how could this person be tied in - motive?

1. Claims to be a colleague/friend but waits a year to tell police about supposed secret boyfriend
2. Claims to have taken a different route that particular morning for no apparent reason
3. Claims to have given CL lifts before (but see 2 above)
4. Motive - possibly rejection?

 

[Popejohn3]

So it says “The last time I heard from her was in October when she sent a text to tell me she had a new boyfriend,' he says. But who that 'boyfriend' is nobody appears to know.”

as in October 2008? So six months earlier? Would you still describe a boyfriend as new six months later to Red Car Man?

Please don’t exaggerate nov Dec jan feb half March is not six months