UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[keep-it-real]

@keep-it-real Malyn contradicted Galloway at a later date. As I previously mention. Galloway was trying to use this statement to flush out and panic the culprits.

Ray Galloways roles included Head of Major Crime, Head of Serious and Organised Crime and Director of Intelligence which in my opinion would give him access to more precise location data of mobile devices.
Gerrad Tubb has received many awards for his investigative journalism and would in my opinion have contacts within LE from which he could obtain reliable information.

A more important question in this investigation to me is
Were hostage negotiations ever entered into ?

 

[keep-it-real]

It’s asked if he was using “kidology” he wasn’t.

I agree with you on that @Blonderabbit

 

[MEKON]

I am struggling to see a backpack clearly in the CCTV. I appreciate that for evidence preservation reasons LE may well have pixelated the footage but what could appear to be a backpack could just be the movement of the Alley persons clothing as they walk

Can or has anyone gained anything by the Night time appearance of 'Alleyperson' possibly carrying a rucksack over 1 shoulder, via cleaning the video up etc. I specifically state this, because IMO it looks like the person at the end of the video; looks like they could have dropped the rucksack? from the right shoulder position to the midriff carrying position? If the person was aiming at walking any distance, would they not carry a rucksack conventionally over both shoulders? Thus; could 'Allyperson' not be travelling very
far, and therefore be soon entering a property or Car?

Additionally; would it suggest the person was right handed if the individual was indeed carrying a rucksack?

 

[Blonderabbit]

@Blonderabbit Good points here.
Claudias phone was reported as turned off within a 9 mile radius of the Uni because it would have communicated with the UNI mast. This is quite a big area.

Separately, her phone was detected connecting to a different mast in the weeks leading up to her disappearance in the Acomb area.

The two phone triangulations were different.

The first SIO Galloway stated that he knew where Clauias phone was on 18th 19th. The second SIO stated that they could only be accurate within 9 Miles.
Galloway was using "Kidology" and to put the presure on as @Blonderabbit states.
Unfortunately police don't have her exact positioning on 18th /19th and on phone turn off they can only say that it was within 9 miles of Uni mast.

CL may not have been with her phone when t was turned off. She could be miles up the motorway.

It’s asked if he was using “kidology” he wasn’t.

But it would be presumptuous/ it would annoy me if I could not charge my own phone just because you’re too lazy to drop yours into the Kerrymore bag .

But it would be presumptuous/ it would annoy me if I could not charge my own phone just because you’re too lazy to drop yours into the Kerrymore bag .

if you was having a night of sexercise the last think you’d be bothered about was charging your phone. Phones with basic functionality batteries lasted days - back in 2009. Come on PopeJohn think a bit more flexibly

 

[Popejohn3]

Also the person she stayed with (if this theory is correct.. not so sure) may have had the same brand phone/charger at their home.

But it would be presumptuous/ it would annoy me if I could not charge my own phone just because you’re too lazy to drop yours into the Kerrymore bag .

Even if se was killed elsewhere which I believe is more likely, The culprits would want to check out her hoe to remove any pointers suggesting she was elsewhere.
I agree that a doping or strangulation would leave minimum clear ups.

in that case surly you would trash the place ?

 

[Popejohn3]

@Popejohn3 Who can we trust though.
It would appear that CL had some great friends but when she started frequenting the Nags she did appear to get in with a dodgy lot.
Some almost taken on the lifelong friend status and the only ones we hear from on media today.

Please listen to the podcast I refer to !

 

[keep-it-real]

Again, I hope this point has not been discussed and settled. With an alarm on Claudia's property; would there not be some sort of memory function on the alarm system,that allows the functioning history of the implement to be extracted?

However; knowledge of an alarm system on the property surely could provide possible tick box indicators:

1. Who fitted the alarm system
2. Why was the alarm system fitted
3. Who was aware it was fitted
4. Who was competent on how it worked
5. Who had the knowledge that Claudia rarely switched it on.
6. What type of system was it;and was it visible the property was alarmed. If it was; surely that would make it less likely a burglar or stranger would try their luck in gaining access

1.2.3.4.5.6. Im sure Peter Lawrence would have knowledge of the points you raise..

 

[Popejohn3]

It’s asked if he was using “kidology” he wasn’t.


if you was having a night of sexercise the last think you’d be bothered about was charging your phone. Phones with basic functionality batteries lasted days - back in 2009. Come on PopeJohn think a bit more flexibly

The quotes are getting ridiculous now ! People are answering on behalf of others
I’m simply trying to point out that IMO she slept at home that night .

 

[keep-it-real]

@Madpaul71
No I do not believe that there is any relevance with Chen Cai Guan.
I was not speaking about any specific drug activity.
It could just be two students doing a deal.
I don't subscribe to the Cannabis plant theoryl
I know there was one person who saw a backpack with an oriental emblem on in Heworth Place on the Alley Person, but thinking more about that sighting:

• Would a drug dealer advertise they were part of a sect on their backpack and parade in front of CCTV
• As no one else could see this emblem, for me its a case of trying to shoe a theory into this case

No one else?
It doesnt take a lot of work to go check it out so I took the 'commentator' photo and it wasnt just the the emblem that became visible.. perhaps that was why LE is so interested in the Alleyman!
To get a close up use zoom in slowly

For those interested in cctv and images this rucksack or one similar appears on the Melrosegate PO cctv of the morn Thurs 19th though I will admit its a very poor quality still..

These are my opinions only
Dyor

 

[keep-it-real]

@Madpaul71
No I do not believe that there is any relevance with Chen Cai Guan.
I was not speaking about any specific drug activity.
It could just be two students doing a deal.
I don't subscribe to the Cannabis plant theoryl
I know there was one person who saw a backpack with an oriental emblem on in Heworth Place on the Alley Person, but thinking more about that sighting:

• Would a drug dealer advertise they were part of a sect on their backpack and parade in front of CCTV
• As no one else could see this emblem, for me its a case of trying to shoe a theory into this case

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours personally I think the murder of Chen Cai Guan and the cannabis plant at Elvington has relevance and drugs were the only thing they distributed.
It matters not that anything emblems or other would be publicly seen by this gang in fact some could argue that its a statement of the status and ownership of area and those who operate in it, particularly as the gang belonged to one of the most terrifying gangs known to be operating in the UK and Worldwide.
We are not talking about people who are law abiding, they believe they are above the law and operate accordingly.
Thankfully due to the largely excellent work carried out by the NCA and other international organisations the networks of these criminals are being continuely disrupted.

Rogues and criminals around Heworth Tang Hall and the College/students had to have a regular reliable supplier.

These are my opinions others may have different opinions
Dyor

 

[keep-it-real]

With reference to the posting event by Claudia in the afternoon before her disappearance

Could it be a possibility that something has been posted to the authorities? Is that why to my knowledge that it has not been established who that correspondence was meant for. And is that why plentiful people have discussed that it would seem that Claudia was already on the authorities radar before her tragic appearence

Im not convinced it was actually Claudia Peter himself when reviewing the footage 'someone who looks like CL' he chose his words carefully was this because he wasnt convinced it was Claudia.
Something happened in that footage that was edited out in my opinion and Im suspicious of just what was deposited into the post box.
Its possible that the female was a decoy and LE had been using her as a precaution/protection in what had become a seriously dnagerous situation for Claudia .

These are my opinions only
Dyor

 

[Yozzer]

@Vixey smart phones tend to be heavy on battery use but not the phone she was using 12 years ago

That's true. The battery on her phone lasts a few days on standby and 4-5 hours in conversation.
I wouldn't rule out that CL may have popped out for an hour or so on Wed evening, maybe on foot to a nearby property or via a lift in a vehicle, with the intention of returning to her home for the night.

 

[keep-it-real]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours personally I think the murder of Chen Cai Guan and the cannabis plant at Elvington has relevance and drugs were the only thing they distributed.
It matters not that anything emblems or other would be publicly seen by this gang in fact some could argue that its a statement of the status and ownership of area and those who operate in it, particularly as the gang belonged to one of the most terrifying gangs known to be operating in the UK and Worldwide.
We are not talking about people who are law abiding, they believe they are above the law and operate accordingly.
Thankfully due to the largely excellent work carried out by the NCA and other international organisations the networks of these criminals are being continuely disrupted.

Rogues and criminals around Heworth Tang Hall and the College/students had to have a regular reliable supplier.

These are my opinions others may have different opinions
Dyor

Correction meant to read and drugs were not the only thing they distributed.

 

[Popejohn3]

That's true. The battery on her phone lasts a few days on standby and 4-5 hours in conversation.
I wouldn't rule out that CL may have popped out for an hour or so on Wed evening, maybe on foot to a nearby property or via a lift in a vehicle, with the intention of returning to her home for the night.

Yes but are you implying she never went back home ? And in that case why would she take chefs whites with her?

 

[oudzuid]

Plus a lot more besides.............a multiple and toxic mix of lots of issues and individuals and families

Please listen to the podcast I refer to !

I have listened to this-Thank you @Popejohn3

 

[Yozzer]

It’s asked if he was using “kidology” he wasn’t.

If not then it is interesting that they were able to pinpoint Acomb. Perhaps this was linked to a series of CL's phone calls or texts which they were able to positively ID as having been made in Acomb - e.g. cross referencing with a friend's texts where reference to location was made e.g. 'I'm in The Acomb'; or perhaps record of a phone call to a taxi company to collect CL from Acomb plus cctv evidence e.g. in the pub?

The alternative is that they are holding back on the location of where her phone was switched off. Why?

 

[oudzuid]

No one else?
It doesnt take a lot of work to go check it out so I took the 'commentator' photo and it wasnt just the the emblem that became visible.. perhaps that was why LE is so interested in the Alleyman!
To get a close up use zoom in slowly

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For those interested in cctv and images this rucksack or one similar appears on the Melrosegate PO cctv of the morn Thurs 19th though I will admit its a very poor quality still..

These are my opinions only
Dyor

I have looked at this @keep-it-real and this is light refraction that you are seeing. If you look you can see the same light refraction lower down between their legs.

 

[oudzuid]

Im not convinced it was actually Claudia Peter himself when reviewing the footage 'someone who looks like CL' he chose his words carefully was this because he wasnt convinced it was Claudia.
Something happened in that footage that was edited out in my opinion and Im suspicious of just what was deposited into the post box.
Its possible that the female was a decoy and LE had been using her as a precaution/protection in what had become a seriously dnagerous situation for Claudia .

These are my opinions only
Dyor

@keep-it-real I agree with you here and I recall That CL Dad said about her leaving work (CCTV) "Thats Claudia" and as you say when he reviewed the footage by Melrosegate Post Office he said "That looks like Claudia" He wasnt sure was he?

 

[Popejohn3]

Im not convinced it was actually Claudia Peter himself when reviewing the footage 'someone who looks like CL' he chose his words carefully was this because he wasnt convinced it was Claudia.
Something happened in that footage that was edited out in my opinion and Im suspicious of just what was deposited into the post box.
Its possible that the female was a decoy and LE had been using her as a precaution/protection in what had become a seriously dnagerous situation for Claudia .

These are my opinions only
Dyor

Re father sounding unsure : could it be because he had not seen his daughter since she coloured her hair . I believe her mother said she changed the hair colour a week before .

 

[keep-it-real]

I have looked at this @keep-it-real and this is light refraction that you are seeing. If you look you can see the same light refraction lower down between their legs.

I dont agree ... but as I said before everyone is entitled to there own opinion
And what about the items in the bag?