UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[oudzuid]

Could he simply have been threatened of being sued ?
People can threaten you with death, a beating , a law suit or of being ‘sent to Coventry ‘

@Popejohn3 It would

As has been mentioned before apparent sighting of someone lingering near CL's door on morning of 19th had someone wearing army/khaki mac.

However....pretty sure he was still in Darlington at around 8am on that morning before all the funny business involving him starting so that would rule him out of being involved in CCTV at least.

However his phone signal being picked up in Acomb a few hours later is really bizarre considering what happened in the seperate case of CL.

@Inspector Evans I looked at this car and it appears that whoever works the shift at Limes parks here-Probably Lazy or just likes to keep an eye on their car. At the time I believe what @keep-it-real id seing is a Toyota Yaris. This then changes to a Hyundai and in later years a white Fiat.
I also believe that there is too much of a coincidence with the short term disappearance of John Burnison and I thought like @keep-it-real that there could have been a possibility that he was hiring a different car on 19th because he didn't expect to return. However, this car was present on 18th evening and 19th Morning as @keep-it-real states. It is most likely the car of the shift worker at Limes.
I do hope that they were all questioned by the police as they must have either seen something or had some footage of interest on their CCTV-That is if it wasn't removed??

I would like to know if he ever bore marks/inquiries to his wrists the type of marks you would have from having your hands tied behind your back.

@keep-it-real Please can you say more about this please as it is an unusual comment and also can you also say more about your comments regarding a military establishment / Safe House that you eluded to earlier in a posting.
Again I am genuinely interested in this.

 

[oudzuid]

Agree, but would want my own,pain having to ask and swop x

@Vixey So they would be happy to share bodies but not the phone charger? People are strange

 

[oudzuid]

They’ve clicked and got on I say leave it at that

@Popejohn3 @Thelastleg I do believe at the very least there was some infatuation here.

 

[oudzuid]

I'm sure Suzi was annoyed at being let down without a word of explanation. I know I would. I would be walking the few yards up the street to ask what she was playing at. Pity Suzi didn't go check on her that night.

@Thelastleg Perhaps SC was more worried about what she may be disturbing. Or did SC know that CL was likely to e elsewhere. Were there some tell tale signs emitted from CLs house that gave things away.
Were the lights on or off I wonder?

 

[Popejohn3]

I cannot understand why we keep searching for other answers as to where CL was on that Wed night.
I think she was at home asleep tiered from the all nighter two days before.
People keep pointing out that she was not seen by anyone or captured by cctv going to work .But then again she was not seen by anyone and was not captured by cctv that night after ... say ... 8.30 pm
The police saw her early evening going into her house albeit not a clear picture of probably her back captured by the private camera across the road.
Okay Claudia could have used the back door to go to work in order to avoid the lurker outside her house which she would have been aware of him because he would have been knocking at her door.

 

[oudzuid]

I cannot understand why we keep searching for other answers as to where CL was on that Wed night.
I think she was at home asleep tiered from the all nighter two days before.
People keep pointing out that she was not seen by anyone or captured by cctv going to work .But then again she was not seen by anyone and was not captured by cctv that night after ... say ... 8.30 pm
The police saw her early evening going into her house albeit not a clear picture of probably her back captured by the private camera across the road.
Okay Claudia could have used the back door to go to work in order to avoid the lurker outside her house which she would have been aware of because he would have been knocking at her door.

@Popejohn3 As has been said many times before.
CL could get out of her house unnoticed.
Either of her own volition or forced or of already incapacitated.

I feel that it is important to try and establish where CL was in her last hours as this holds the key.

If she left by the back door in any of the above circumstances she could have gone to:

• The Nags Car Park and beyond
• Up the fire escape to a room at Nags
• The garage at rear of Nags Car Park
• A property in Heworth Place
• Or even to a location and then taken unnoticed by car elsewhere.
• The Cul De Sac end of HP where she could be whisked off in an awaiting car out of sight of CCTV cameras

We do know that the CCTV in Nags Car Park was rarely working and so this area was uncovered by CCTV as was the Alleyway.

 

[Popejohn3]

Yes the perhaps the Nag’s car park and off to work but it did not fool our lurker IMO

 

[MEKON]

Im just browsing my stills of the Alleyman footage and I came across one I found interesting.

I cant remember who posted the story of John Burlinson but in that article he was said to have hired a black astra SRi, he was also reported as wearing beige trousers and a camouflauge jacket.
Check out the still ..
One of the figures appears to be wearing khaki trousers and army style jacket.
Is that a black astra SRi parked outside the Limes accom entrance?
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@FromGermany Im just browsing my stills of the Alleyman footage and I came across one I found interesting in regard the the John Burlinson story

In the article he was said to have hired a black astra SRi, he was also reported as Khaki trousers and an army style jacket.
Check out the still ..
One of the figures appears to be wearing similar clothing to the ones described
Is that a black astra SRi parked outside the Limes accom entrance?
Its still there next morn 19th
I know the article says he picked the car up Thurs morn but it just got me wondering?
Can get a fix on part of the reg plate
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On a similar issue about CCTV footage. Was there some unclear footage of a couple? outside of Claudia's house at approx the time Claudia may set off for work. I am sure someone had the pictures cleaned up and suggested it was a Male and Female. Furthermore; I am sure the lady was thought to of had a short skirt on or tight skinny jeans

Was anything gained from these pictures? I am sure there was a comment that It could suggest 2 people had come back from a night out, as a lady wouldn't be likely to wear a short skirt at 5-ish on a March morning

Additionally; If there was no CCTV footage from the front of Claudia's house?; then where did this footage come from. I say this due to claims that no one saw her setting off to work from the front entrance?

 

[MEKON]

@Popejohn3 It would

@Inspector Evans I looked at this car and it appears that whoever works the shift at Limes parks here-Probably Lazy or just likes to keep an eye on their car. At the time I believe what @keep-it-real id seing is a Toyota Yaris. This then changes to a Hyundai and in later years a white Fiat.
I also believe that there is too much of a coincidence with the short term disappearance of John Burnison and I thought like @keep-it-real that there could have been a possibility that he was hiring a different car on 19th because he didn't expect to return. However, this car was present on 18th evening and 19th Morning as @keep-it-real states. It is most likely the car of the shift worker at Limes.
I do hope that they were all questioned by the police as they must have either seen something or had some footage of interest on their CCTV-That is if it wasn't removed??

If the footage on the CCTV system had been removed, then It's a 'bit dodgy' because I am sure certain establishments had to keep data on their systems for 30 days?. I am also sure that operators had to be capable of using the system to rewind or fast forward etc in order to prove they could find events. Additionally; I think operators also had to be capable of recording data from the system onto disc etc

However; the particular industry sector that The Limes is associated with, may mean that those conditions mentioned above, do not apply to themselves

Interestingly; even if the footage is wiped from a system, can the data still not be retrieved from the hard drive. I've even heard there are firms that can even retrieve data from hard drives that have gone U/S

 

[oudzuid]

Yes the perhaps the Nag’s car park and off to work but it did not fool our lurker IMO

@Popejohn3 I agree.
However, Can I ask if you were the lurker, would you let yourself be seen by a myriad of CCTV cameras.
Unless:
1. Alleyman was there for an innocuous reason and wasn't bothered about being seen
2. It was not a premeditated killing and things got out of hand
3. Alleyman was completely unrelated to the Claudia disposal
4. They wanted to be seen Lurking around her house so as to throw the scent away from the actual place Claudia was at

Given the number of visible CCTV cameras in Heworth Place and the high mounted one in Limes Car Park, and the way that Claudia disappeared.
This does not suggest that the culprit (s) would be foolish enough to be caught on camera.

Regarding Point 4 above-When you look at how White Jacket person looks up at Costcutter camera that day, there is an element of them wanting to be detected by the camera. Almost pointing to a wave as if they are saying "Yes this is me an I'm here for you to notice"

 

[MEKON]

Can I kindly ask if anyone has any official info about Claudia's car? Was the reason it was in a garage, due to it being totally immobilised. Thus; making it impossible for it to operate until new parts arrived

 

[Popejohn3]

@Popejohn3 I agree.
However, Can I ask if you were the lurker, would you let yourself be seen by a myriad of CCTV cameras.
Unless:
1. Alleyman was there for an innocuous reason and wasn't bothered about being seen
2. It was not a premeditated killing and things got out of hand
3. Alleyman was completely unrelated to the Claudia disposal
4. They wanted to be seen Lurking around her house so as to throw the scent away from the actual place Claudia was at

Given the number of visible CCTV cameras in Heworth Place and the high mounted one in Limes Car Park, and the way that Claudia disappeared.
This does not suggest that the culprit (s) would be foolish enough to be caught on camera.

Regarding Point 4 above-When you look at how White Jacket person looks up at Costcutter camera that day, there is an element of them wanting to be detected by the camera. Almost pointing to a wave as if they are saying "Yes this is me an I'm here for you to notice"

I agree with no 2

 

[Popejohn3]

On a similar issue about CCTV footage. Was there some unclear footage of a couple? outside of Claudia's house at approx the time Claudia may set off for work. I am sure someone had the pictures cleaned up and suggested it was a Male and Female. Furthermore; I am sure the lady was thought to of had a short skirt on or tight skinny jeans

Was anything gained from these pictures? I am sure there was a comment that It could suggest 2 people had come back from a night out, as a lady wouldn't be likely to wear a short skirt at 5-ish on a March morning

Additionally; If there was no CCTV footage from the front of Claudia's house?; then where did this footage come from. I say this due to claims that no one saw her setting off to work from the front entrance?

The old boy could have !

 

[oudzuid]

On a similar issue about CCTV footage. Was there some unclear footage of a couple? outside of Claudia's house at approx the time Claudia may set off for work. I am sure someone had the pictures cleaned up and suggested it was a Male and Female. Furthermore; I am sure the lady was thought to of had a short skirt on or tight skinny jeans

Was anything gained from these pictures? I am sure there was a comment that It could suggest 2 people had come back from a night out, as a lady wouldn't be likely to wear a short skirt at 5-ish on a March morning

Additionally; If there was no CCTV footage from the front of Claudia's house?; then where did this footage come from. I say this due to claims that no one saw her setting off to work from the front entrance?

@MEKON This came from analysis of the breaking car footage-As it goes out of shot there are signs of movement with a person or people crossing the road towards the corner of Heworth Road Heworth Place.
It may be worth you viewing this yourself from the NYP website

 

[oudzuid]

If the footage on the CCTV system had been removed, then It's a 'bit dodgy' because I am sure certain establishments had to keep data on their systems for 30 days?. I am also sure that operators had to be capable of using the system to rewind or fast forward etc in order to prove they could find events. Additionally; I think operators also had to be capable of recording data from the system onto disc etc

However; the particular industry sector that The Limes is associated with, may mean that those conditions mentioned above, do not apply to themselves

Interestingly; even if the footage is wiped from a system, can the data still not be retrieved from the hard drive. I've even heard there are firms that can even retrieve data from hard drives that have gone U/S

Or do the police have it but dont wish to share it?

 

[oudzuid]

Can I kindly ask if anyone has any official info about Claudia's car? Was the reason it was in a garage, due to it being totally immobilised. Thus; making it impossible for it to operate until new parts arrived

My understanding was that it needed a new engine as it kept breaking down. I always wondered if it would have been cheaper to replace completely.

Perhaps the scenario was that the garage advised of a new engine but they suggested a replacement and they were awaiting a suitable car coming that they could offer for sale to CL?

 

[oudzuid]

I agree with no 2

@Popejohn3 This was my thinking at one stage but that would then indicate that the accident didn't happen until after 05:07 on 19th as Alley person was seen again on CCTV at this time.
Perhaps she did run out in front of Breaking Car?

 

[Vixey]

Just to be clear I am in no way that I suggesting that the rucksack/backpack with the chinese emblem is Cluadia's..

Could they just not be from the local martial arts centre and work or had worked with Claudia x

My understanding was that it needed a new engine as it kept breaking down. I always wondered if it would have been cheaper to replace completely.

Perhaps the scenario was that the garage advised of a new engine but they suggested a replacement and they were awaiting a suitable car coming that they could offer for sale to CL?

Claudias Car was in a awful state, body work included! Wondered if the car we are shown was just a loan car or borrowed, remember her car had been on and off the road for months. This was the latest problem and to be honest I believe a new vehicle was in order. Did claudia get a warranty with the garage vehicle was from? Anyways I would forget that vehicle snd be looking for a new one personally. Another thing is a small black car was seen in morning snd evening cctv, any idea of the make? As was looking at a odd black vehicle in street view and the badges on the front window x

 

[Vixey]

 

[MEKON]

Or do the police have it but dont wish to share it?

Exactly; I think ourselves hold 20 pieces of a 100 piece jigsaw

And the authorities have 95 pieces of the jigsaw which they can only release tactical snippets of