UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[Popejohn3]

What I am getting at is anyone can jest pluck out scenarios from their imagination - why is she at home? What makes us believe she is at home? What proof do you have confirming she is at home when her mother calls? Alleyway man could be the local pools coupon collector. No one knows who he is (for sure) in 11 years there is no concrete version of events, nothing - no one on here is any nearer than in 2009. And I can be fairly sure no one will be any nearer ten years from now - so save your time and do something else.

Can you please tell us what you think happened to Claudia all them years ago ?
Feel free to say ‘not a clue ‘ if this is the case .

 

[MEKON]

I think the rucksack is missing simply because CL had it with her when she went missing, really is that straightforward. Which would then suggest that CL left the house of her own volition at some point between talking to her mother on the evening of the 18th and her usual time of setting off for work on the 19th.
Is everyone in agreement that CL must have left by the back door as she is not seen leaving the house by the front door on the neighbours CCTV?

Unless the Rucksack was pinched from inside the house; while Claudia was out the house . Or it could of been nicked while she was pre-occupied within her house

I know it sounds blunt and morbid. But sadly perhaps the Rucksack was used as part of the means to end her life

It could of been needed to be removed due to it having somebody's DNA on it

However; as you say. It could of gone missing because she was carrying it for whatever reason

 

[keep-it-real]

What I am getting at is anyone can jest pluck out scenarios from their imagination - why is she at home? What makes us believe she is at home? What proof do you have confirming she is at home when her mother calls? Alleyway man could be the local pools coupon collector. No one knows who he is (for sure) in 11 years there is no concrete version of events, nothing - no one on here is any nearer than in 2009. And I can be fairly sure no one will be any nearer ten years from now - so save your time and do something else.

I can only speak for myself. Im here because Im intrigued.

 

[MEKON]

No you can’t be sure that some kind of vehicle did not block the camera’s view .
The camera as I understand was directed at the front garden and doubt if it even showed Claudia’s green front door !

Or possibly a few people blocked the view of the camera; which partially hampers footage of someone ' looking like ' Claudia getting into a vehicle

 

[MEKON]

Not necessary fire doors can not be locked.

I understood that a fire door can not be locked. However; it can not be opened from the outside,but it should be easily activated open from the inside, via a bar mechanism for example

 

[Popejohn3]

She may not of been at home when her mum called her. And they alleyway msn may be the boyfriend collecting her rucksack for work the next morning.

Now these are sensible suggestions. I for one happen to believe that the dark allyway man was her latest mystery boyfriend...

 

[MEKON]

I can only speak for myself. Im here because Im intrigued.

" Snap "

 

[Vixey]

If you feel it could effect the case - then do not reveal it in the public domain.. I suggest you keep
It to yourself. If nothing else think of Claudias Mum Dad and Sistet.

Poor answer. the police's "alleged" failings have been publicised in the press. With the benefit of hindsight could the police have done anything different to change the outcome? I do not think so. discussing the merits of the police investigations will not uncover the truth. next.....

Where is the cctv that the first team secured, or failed to secure ? Why was the morning cctv not released sooner or ever by the first team. Can’t blame Dai Malyns team.But Ray dot Galloway snd his team have no excuse imo x

 

[Popejohn3]

Where is the cctv that the first team secured, or failed to secure ? Why was the morning cctv not released sooner or ever by the first team. Can’t blame Dai Malyns team.But Ray dot Galloway snd his team have no excuse imo x

No don’t be too harsh on them ...it got very big indeed ... they tried too hard if that is possible !
But as Blonderabbit said move on from apportioning blame.The police can try to learn lessons after Claudia is found .

 

[Vixey]

No don’t be too harsh on them ...it got very big indeed ... they tried too hard if that is possible !
But as Blonderabbit said move on from apportioning blame.The police can try to learn lessons after Claudia is found .

Maybe, but that in itself may hold clues x

 

[Blonderabbit]

" Snap "

It’s understandable that you and keep it “R” are still intrigued after joining Jan 2020 an

Where is the cctv that the first team secured, or failed to secure ? Why was the morning cctv not released sooner or ever by the first team. Can’t blame Dai Malyns team.But Ray dot Galloway snd his team have no excuse imo x

Where is the cctv that the first team secured, or failed to secure ? Why was the morning cctv not released sooner or ever by the first team. Can’t blame Dai Malyns team.But Ray dot Galloway snd his team have no excuse imo x

If you look at police forces there is I think around 43 in the UK. they have a league table of forces, each measured on a number of KPIs (key performance indicators) Investigations are not an exact science led by robots. each investigation is led. Initially by Ray, a very good, experienced accomplished detective. He did not make any mistakes, although he led the investigation differently to Dai, who is also an equally accomplished detective. Look at the Libby squire inquiry - look at the volume of evidence against the perp - think back - to before the trial opened - how much of the cctv evidence were you privy to? How much of the witness evidence were you privy to? how much of the circumstantial evidence were you privy to? you had a snapshot the police released. you would never have been able to identify the perp unless the police had released the cctv. Claudias case is covered with cctv - far beyond what's imaginable. Along with all of the other evidence make no mistake

 

[Popejohn3]

It’s understandable that you and keep it “R” are still intrigued after joining Jan 2020 an


If you look at police forces there is I think around 43 in the UK. they have a league table of forces, each measured on a number of KPIs (key performance indicators) Investigations are not an exact science led by robots. each investigation is led. Initially by Ray, a very good, experienced accomplished detective. He did not make any mistakes, although he led the investigation differently to Dai, who is also an equally accomplished detective. Look at the Libby squire inquiry - look at the volume of evidence against the perp - think back - to before the trial opened - how much of the cctv evidence were you privy to? How much of the witness evidence were you privy to? how much of the circumstantial evidence were you privy to? you had a snapshot the police released. you would never have been able to identify the perp unless the police had released the cctv. Claudias case is covered with cctv - far beyond what's imaginable. Along with all of the other evidence make no mistake

Good no Full Stop after mistake ... carry on please
We know the police can and will solve it not us.
Genuine question can ex-police and retired detectives contribute to current unsolved cases ?
IE is there a secure site for them to go on to if they wish ?

 

[Blonderabbit]

" Snap "

It’s understandable that you and keep it “R” are still intrigued after joining Jan 2020 an

Where is the cctv that the first team secured, or failed to secure ? Why was the morning cctv not released sooner or ever by the first team. Can’t blame Dai Malyns team.But Ray dot Galloway snd his team have no excuse imo x

Where is the cctv that the first team secured, or failed to secure ? Why was the morning cctv not released sooner or ever by the first team. Can’t blame Dai Malyns team.But Ray dot Galloway snd his team have no excuse imo x

If you look at police forces there is I think around 43 in the UK. they have a league table of forces, each measured on a number of KPIs (key performance indicators) Investigations are not an exact science led by robots. each investigation is led. Initially by Ray, a very good, experienced accomplished detective. He did not make any mistakes, although he led the investigation differently to Dai, who is also an equally accomplished detective. Look at the Libby squire inquiry - look at the volume of evidence against the perp - think back - to before the trial opened - how much of the cctv evidence were you privy to? How much of the witness evidence were you privy to? how much of the circumstantial evidence were you privy to? you had a snapshot the police released. you would never have been able to identify the perp unless the police had released the cctv. Claudias case is covered with cctv - far beyond what's imaginable. Along with all of the other evidence make no mistake

Good no Full Stop after mistake ... carry on please
We know the police can and will solve it not us.
Genuine question can ex-police and retired detectives contribute to current unsolved cases ?
IE is there a secure site for them to go on to if they wish ?

when they retire, leave they become ordinary civilians just like you and me why would you need a secure site?

 

[MEKON]

It’s understandable that you and keep it “R” are still intrigued after joining Jan 2020 an




I joined in March 2020

Keep it Real joined in Jan 2020

 

[MEKON]

I joined in March 2020


Keep it Real joined in Jan 2020

 

[Popejohn3]

It’s understandable that you and keep it “R” are still intrigued after joining Jan 2020 an


If you look at police forces there is I think around 43 in the UK. they have a league table of forces, each measured on a number of KPIs (key performance indicators) Investigations are not an exact science led by robots. each investigation is led. Initially by Ray, a very good, experienced accomplished detective. He did not make any mistakes, although he led the investigation differently to Dai, who is also an equally accomplished detective. Look at the Libby squire inquiry - look at the volume of evidence against the perp - think back - to before the trial opened - how much of the cctv evidence were you privy to? How much of the witness evidence were you privy to? how much of the circumstantial evidence were you privy to? you had a snapshot the police released. you would never have been able to identify the perp unless the police had released the cctv. Claudias case is covered with cctv - far beyond what's imaginable. Along with all of the other evidence make no mistake

when they retire, leave they become ordinary civilians just like you and me why would you need a secure site?

I see you like answering questions with yet another question lol
Old doctors become consultants . Doesn’t the force tap into that wealth of knowledge ?
And if they do won’t a secure website come in handy ?

 

[Popejohn3]

I joined in March 2020


Keep it Real joined in Jan 2020

Don’t tell him Pike ! Lol

 

[Blonderabbit]

I joined in March 2020


Keep it Real joined in Jan 2020

my connection dropped out I was about to say and March respectively. would you still be intrigued 11 years from now?

 

[Blonderabbit]

I see you like answering questions with yet another question lol
Old doctors become consultants . Doesn’t the force tap into that wealth of knowledge ?
And if they do won’t a secure website come in handy ?

Have you ever considered joining? You are never to old? ........

 

[Blonderabbit]

Moving On.

Calling all Sleuths! Alleyway man night or morning. Imagine you knew him, he was someone you drank with in the nags, you knew him well.
Question 1. Do you think you would recognise him on the cctv?

Question 2. Do you think Claudia's two closest friends recognise him/them?