UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #13

[KateB]

Claudia Lawrence

Claudia Lawrence investigation
http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/13147

It is now six years since Claudia Lawrence disappeared without trace in York. Despite the intensive efforts of the police, the resolve of her heart-broken family and saturated media coverage, her sudden disappearance remains a mystery.

North Yorkshire Police's commitment and determination to solve the case and bring closure for Claudia's loved-ones, is undiminished by the passage of time.

Detective Superintendent Dai Malyn, head of the force's enhanced Major Crime Unit, is leading a comprehensive review of the original investigation.

This has been supported by national experts from other forces and agencies, including forensic specialists who recently completed a re-examination of Claudia's home on Heworth Road in York.

As a result of this work, Det Supt Malyn and his team have identified new lines of enquiry and fresh public appeals to pursue, as well as renewed appeals on previous key items of interest to the investigation.

Detective Chief Superintendent Simon Mason, Head of Crime for North Yorkshire Police, said: "The decision to focus and prioritise the efforts of the enhanced Major Crime Unit on this case and undertake a comprehensive review of the original investigation, is producing progressive results which we expect to continue over time."

Use our interactive map to explore these lines of enquiry and CCTV footage from the investigation. Zoom in and click the hotspots for more information:
Interactive map - Google My Maps
If you have any information that could assist the investigation, please contact North Yorkshire Police on 101, select option 1, and pass details to the Force Control Room. Please quote "Claudia Lawrence" when passing on details.

The independent charity Crimestoppers has also lent its support by offering a £10,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest and charge. Callers can remain anonymous.

Please pass information to Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111, quoting "Claudia Lawrence, North Yorkshire Police". Alternatively, go to www.crimestoppers-uk.org and fill in an Anonymous Online Form.

Timeline: http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/13193

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[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

This post lands at random.

Please stop the rudeness and personalizing and the petty sniping that's been going on in this discussion.

If you can't post politely, respectfully .. don't post.

 

[oudzuid]

Should have said in not @

@Popejohn3 I didn't quite understand your post and still do not but that does not matter.
For me it has to be about finding the case and if that can be done by team effort then all the better.

I don't subscribe to one reference point though and so the NYP microsite whilst a good source of information cannot be the only reference we use.

Remember when they got a very basic piece of information wrong-The walking distance Claudia took each day to and from work-That was incredibly silly of NYP.

Sometimes its like undertaking a Thesis when doing a PHD. The more sources of information and reference material explored, the better the outcome.

 

[oudzuid]

If a SIM was removed @keep-it-real then a message could be retrieved once SIM goes back in. If a call comes in it would either go to Voicemail for future retrieval or if no voicemail set up it would declare that mobile number is not currently avaiable.

As it would be too easy for Claudia to make a mistake if swapping a SIM card. I would rather rely on the fact that either she or her "Friend" or both had a separate phone.

If the person was involved in law enforcement would they have a personal phone as well as a police issue phone for example?

 

[Popejohn3]

@Popejohn3 I didn't quite understand your post and still do not but that does not matter.
For me it has to be about finding the case and if that can be done by team effort then all the better.

I don't subscribe to one reference point though and so the NYP microsite whilst a good source of information cannot be the only reference we use.

Remember when they got a very basic piece of information wrong-The walking distance Claudia took each day to and from work-That was incredibly silly of NYP.

Sometimes its like undertaking a Thesis when doing a PHD. The more sources of information and reference material explored, the better the outcome.

Is it possible to paste a link to the current microsite I can’t find the original it’s seems .
I stopped looking at it because I felt it was not being updated ...

 

[oudzuid]

15 Heworth Place has been mentioned as the abode of one of POIs who also owned a building company and is today the partner of one of CL's friends. All of Nags Head crowd.
I have looked at Google images of August 2008 and it can be seen that one of his company vans is parked in this area.
In the same street is the Maroon Volvo that belonged at the time to LH who was CL's boyfriend at that time.
I understand that the owner of 15 Heworth Place no longer lives at this address but probably did in 2009.
This property backed directly onto Claudias and upon arrival of Malyn was searched. Perhaps a little late but searched anyway.

This property is covered by a very good Globe type CCTV camera. Similar to the type of camera that spotted Alley Person but not the same camera.

My point is:
Both Heworth Place and we believe that CL front of house was well covered by CCTV
Police have not shown Alleyperson walking further into Heworth Place. This suggests that they dont want to show persons face (They could have pixelated it out as they have in one shown)
It narrows the escape options for culprits down to either getting her out of house along alley to Nags car park or covering up by parking a vehicle to block (Risky)
It could mean that she wasn't at home that night but elsewhere
She could have been at 15 Heworth Place and using back doors
The fact that Police have searched certain properties and arrested for questioning who they did, suggests that they have strong evidence themselves regarding those in focus

Do we really need to look further afield because as someone said in a post last week-Police have 95% of the Jigsaw pieces and we have far fewer.

 

[oudzuid]

Is it possible to paste a link to the current microsite I can’t find the original it’s seems .
I stopped looking at it because I felt it was not being updated ...

I believe that this is the one you were looking for @Popejohn3
Disappearance of Claudia Lawrence

 

[Bagpipes]

Yes, what was the distance from CL house to work? I see conflicting reports from 2-3 miles.

 

[Popejohn3]

The fact that Police have searched certain properties and arrested for questioning who they did, suggests that they have strong evidence themselves regarding those in focus

Or simply nothing ‘strong’ but just desperation. Police have been known certainly in America, to put listening devices into these searched houses !

 

[Popejohn3]

Yes, what was the distance from CL house to work? I see conflicting reports from 2-3 miles.

I suppose it depends whether you want to avoid areas that are not well light !

 

[oudzuid]

Yes, what was the distance from CL house to work? I see conflicting reports from 2-3 miles.

@Bagpipes It was 1.7Miles walking as she was able to cut through UNI grounds and this would take approx 35 Minutes.
However if in a car it was a longer distance of 2.2 Miles if she was taken to the Car Park where the cafeteria was and if traffic was light (Which it should be that time of morning) it would take about 7 Minutes.

Of course if she was dropped off at the area on University Road by a car and then cut through the UNI grounds it would take about 5 minutes to drop off and a further 5-10 minutes through Uni Grounds.

In Summary:

By Foot 35 Minutes (1.7 Miles)
By Car 7 Minutes (2.2 Miles)
Combination of above two-10 to 15 Minutes

However, if she was coming from a different start point or had stopped to chat on way, the timing would be different.

 

[Blonderabbit]

@Bagpipes It was 1.7Miles walking as she was able to cut through UNI grounds and this would take approx 35 Minutes.
However if in a car it was a longer distance of 2.2 Miles if she was taken to the Car Park where the cafeteria was and if traffic was light (Which it should be that time of morning) it would take about 7 Minutes.

Of course if she was dropped off at the area on University Road by a car and then cut through the UNI grounds it would take about 5 minutes to drop off and a further 5-10 minutes through Uni Grounds.

In Summary:

By Foot 35 Minutes (1.7 Miles)
By Car 7 Minutes (2.2 Miles)
Combination of above two-10 to 15 Minutes

However, if she was coming from a different start point or had stopped to chat on way, the timing would be different.

I have actually walked it and it took me 47mins

 

[oudzuid]

I have actually walked it and it took me 47mins

@Blonderabbit I have walked it also and it took me 36 minutes.
I checked it first on Google and then did the walk myself.
Perhaps you missed a turn that takes you onto very clearly set out footpaths just off University Road or did you make a similar mistake to Police when they calculated the route?

I recall the other day I was passed by a young lady, I thought I was walking at a reasonable pace but she was clearly more used to the route and left me in the distance.
I can imagine Claudia being both used to the route and adept at walking it.
Did you use one of the walkways across the water / ponds?

 

[Yozzer]

15 Heworth Place has been mentioned as the abode of one of POIs who also owned a building company and is today the partner of one of CL's friends. All of Nags Head crowd.
I have looked at Google images of August 2008 and it can be seen that one of his company vans is parked in this area.
In the same street is the Maroon Volvo that belonged at the time to LH who was CL's boyfriend at that time.
I understand that the owner of 15 Heworth Place no longer lives at this address but probably did in 2009.
This property backed directly onto Claudias and upon arrival of Malyn was searched. Perhaps a little late but searched anyway.

This property is covered by a very good Globe type CCTV camera. Similar to the type of camera that spotted Alley Person but not the same camera.
My point is:
Both Heworth Place and we believe that CL front of house was well covered by CCTV
Police have not shown Alleyperson walking further into Heworth Place. This suggests that they dont want to show persons face (They could have pixelated it out as they have in one shown)
It narrows the escape options for culprits down to either getting her out of house along alley to Nags car park or covering up by parking a vehicle to block (Risky)
It could mean that she wasn't at home that night but elsewhere
She could have been at 15 Heworth Place and using back doors
The fact that Police have searched certain properties and arrested for questioning who they did, suggests that they have strong evidence themselves regarding those in focus

Do we really need to look further afield because as someone said in a post last week-Police have 95% of the Jigsaw pieces and we have far fewer.

Police were very interested in knowing whether vehicles were normally driven into the alley. Did a resident/neighbour overhear anything?

 

[Blonderabbit]

@Blonderabbit I have walked it also and it took me 36 minutes.
I checked it first on Google and then did the walk myself.
Perhaps you missed a turn that takes you onto very clearly set out footpaths just off University Road or did you make a similar mistake to Police when they calculated the route?

I recall the other day I was passed by a young lady, I thought I was walking at a reasonable pace but she was clearly more used to the route and left me in the distance.
I can imagine Claudia being both used to the route and adept at walking it.
Did you use one of the walkways across the water / ponds?

No I didn’t - I think unless we met up and discussed the route and walked it together you’d never know if there’s a reason why we both seem to have much different results.

I disagree, in order to solve and build a case the information has to be accurate. Relevant to Claudias case only. I know there are trusted sources of info that have got it wrong - which then leads you off thinking a person might be guilty and in fact they emerge not around. You waste valuable time ruling someone in, when if you had the correct data they could be ruled out.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Police were very interested in knowing whether vehicles were normally driven into the alley. Did a resident/neighbour overhear anything?

You cannot drive into the alley

 

[Yozzer]

@Blonderabbit I have walked it also and it took me 36 minutes.
I checked it first on Google and then did the walk myself.
Perhaps you missed a turn that takes you onto very clearly set out footpaths just off University Road or did you make a similar mistake to Police when they calculated the route?

I recall the other day I was passed by a young lady, I thought I was walking at a reasonable pace but she was clearly more used to the route and left me in the distance.
I can imagine Claudia being both used to the route and adept at walking it.
Did you use one of the walkways across the water / ponds?

As you say, people walk at different speeds. Some like to amble, others power walk. Either way, it was a risky walk for a woman to make alone in pitch darkness.

 

[Yozzer]

You cannot drive into the alley

You can get a bus down there.
Well not quite, but certainly there is media evidence that officers enquired about vehicle access in Feb 2015.

 

[oudzuid]

Police were very interested in knowing whether vehicles were normally driven into the alley. Did a resident/neighbour overhear anything?

@Yozzer I have just done a scale check with a Astra type vehicle width of car v Alley width.
Whist it would be tight, a car could be navigated a fair way into alley.
Perhaps by reversing so as to make it easier to access boot / hatchback and then drive out front facing.