UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #13

[MEKON]

Sorry I think as I type, it is definitely me Ok for example, If someone was employed to take a hit out on someone then it is not unusual for a practice run close to the time. That is one scenario where this may happen imo x

''Targh''

 

[MEKON]

I do hope that the Phycologist who watched the Huntley interview has seen footage of all Media on Claudia.

It's an unfortunate thought that when you see a press conference on the news at the start of an inquiry; that it's a well known line of inquiry that the authorities are closely monitoring the overall behavior of those on film

 

[ArcadeFire]

I’m going to play devils advocate with this post but it is what I think.

People such as JK etc don’t read these threads and if they do they won’t be bothered enough to post they have their own lives and it was 11 years ago now.

All this enhancing a speck of CCTV to show more people etc is just rubbish. It’s just lightening it’s actually laughable it could be other people. I’m afraid it’s all to conspiratory. She was seeing someone nasty who has done for her. I’m sorry to say that is the answer. It might be more interesting to believe other possibilities but it’s just inaccurate.

 

[MEKON]

cctv can come to light - you can get a media report of a burglary for instance and the media reports caught on cctv blah blah blah - which then alerts would be opportunists to avoid its gaze or disguise themselves when in shot

Your description which touched on the concept of 'displacement' prompted the idea that not every offender has a clear mode of thought. Thus; they may not make the 'rational choice' when 'weighing up' the 'pros and cons' of a particular course of action. Crime to these particular individuals may be viewed as an ongoing routine risk to be calculated. To them; morals may not even be worth considering

Being seen on camera may satisfy an individual's high excitation levels or condition; it may in fact give them a thrill or show everyone how brave or clever they are. They may have the sense that they're above the law or have a disregard for the law. Additionally; there could be an arrogance that they are too clever to get caught

In contrast; they may not know they'd be caught on camera, or perhaps the appearance were tactical disguised 'Red Herrings'. Its possible the scenes were made up of a combination of factors

Furthermore; the individuals involved may have an underlying Mental Health Impairment that hampers their ability to be in the position to make 'rational choices'

 

[MEKON]

I looked up some material about Psychologists watching press conferences and this interesting link came up; which is more related to profiling:


Psychological sleuths--Criminal profiling: the reality behind the myth


Among the text is the following:

Over the past quarter-century, the Behavioral Science Unit has further developed the FBI's profiling process--including refining the organized/disorganized dichotomy into a continuum and developing other classification schemes.

"The basic premise is that behavior reflects personality," explains retired FBI agent Gregg McCrary. In a homicide case, for example, FBI agents glean insight into personality through questions about the murderer's behavior at four crime phases:

• Antecedent: What fantasy or plan, or both, did the murderer have in place before the act? What triggered the murderer to act some days and not others?
  
  
• Method and manner: What type of victim or victims did the murderer select? What was the method and manner of murder: shooting, stabbing, strangulation or something else?
  
  
• Body disposal: Did the murder and body disposal take place all at one scene, or multiple scenes?
  
  
• Postoffense behavior: Is the murderer trying to inject himself into the investigation by reacting to media reports or contacting investigators?
  

 

[Blonderabbit]

I’m going to play devils advocate with this post but it is what I think.

People such as JK etc don’t read these threads and if they do they won’t be bothered enough to post they have their own lives and it was 11 years ago now.

All this enhancing a speck of CCTV to show more people etc is just rubbish. It’s just lightening it’s actually laughable it could be other people. I’m afraid it’s all to conspiratory. She was seeing someone nasty who has done for her. I’m sorry to say that is the answer. It might be more interesting to believe other possibilities but it’s just inaccurate.

completely agree

 

[Popejohn3]

The problem is everyone comes under suspicion in this particular case because we arent given enough information to get any traction on a one particular event or person connected to it to follow it through.
We know its complex and we know there is secrecy surrounding it because thats how we are told CL led her life. But I just get the feeling thats theres a much bigger story here than the disappearance of a promiscuous female, and where I have also found some of the comments made by some of her female friends somewhat questionable. I have also had to consider if thought I knew someone I considered a close friend and an event such as this happened and it bought to light that there were parts of that persons life which would have been to me difficult to accept as true how would I react, particularly if perhaps some parts of that persons life meant that I was perhaps being used by that person in some way in that secretive part of their life.
I would feel conflicted there was a person I knew and liked and now theres another side to this person that I probably wouldnt have liked.
With no possibility of receiving and explaination from this person I may have have felt in a way double crossed.
Is it possible that some parts of CL's life that had to remain secret then and still have to today, and that is the problem for all concerned?


Did JK say at one stage.. we just wish they would rip the bandage off and get on with it?

These are my opinions only

Perhaps she meant to say ‘ take gloves off ‘

 

[Madpaul71]

maybe she has

Ask yourself - why doesn't it say on the microsite Claudia said hiya to Linda Chapman at 3.10pm on march 18th 2009 - it was the last time anyone saw her alive. its a big moment?

Agree did this happen or not? When CL left work & walked part of way home posted letter gets a lift half way home did this person drop CL at home or carry on too somewhere else? This would explain CL bag missing as she had it with her. It would also explain why her bed was made as she would not of slept in her bed that night. It would also explain breakfast pots in sink as probily left them too wash up when she arrived home. I read somewhere police were not sure she actually got home after finishing work on the 18th.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I looked up some material about Psychologists watching press conferences and this interesting link came up; which is more related to profiling:


Psychological sleuths--Criminal profiling: the reality behind the myth


Among the text is the following:

Over the past quarter-century, the Behavioral Science Unit has further developed the FBI's profiling process--including refining the organized/disorganized dichotomy into a continuum and developing other classification schemes.

"The basic premise is that behavior reflects personality," explains retired FBI agent Gregg McCrary. In a homicide case, for example, FBI agents glean insight into personality through questions about the murderer's behavior at four crime phases:

• Antecedent: What fantasy or plan, or both, did the murderer have in place before the act? What triggered the murderer to act some days and not others?
  
  
• Method and manner: What type of victim or victims did the murderer select? What was the method and manner of murder: shooting, stabbing, strangulation or something else?
  
  
• Body disposal: Did the murder and body disposal take place all at one scene, or multiple scenes?
  
  
• Postoffense behavior: Is the murderer trying to inject himself into the investigation by reacting to media reports or contacting investigators?

I looked up some material about Psychologists watching press conferences and this interesting link came up; which is more related to profiling:


Psychological sleuths--Criminal profiling: the reality behind the myth


Among the text is the following:

Over the past quarter-century, the Behavioral Science Unit has further developed the FBI's profiling process--including refining the organized/disorganized dichotomy into a continuum and developing other classification schemes.

"The basic premise is that behavior reflects personality," explains retired FBI agent Gregg McCrary. In a homicide case, for example, FBI agents glean insight into personality through questions about the murderer's behavior at four crime phases:

• Antecedent: What fantasy or plan, or both, did the murderer have in place before the act? What triggered the murderer to act some days and not others?
  
  
• Method and manner: What type of victim or victims did the murderer select? What was the method and manner of murder: shooting, stabbing, strangulation or something else?
  
  
• Body disposal: Did the murder and body disposal take place all at one scene, or multiple scenes?
  
  
• Postoffense behavior: Is the murderer trying to inject himself into the investigation by reacting to media reports or contacting investigators?

Criminal Profiling must

Perhaps she meant to say ‘ take gloves off ‘

"Perhaps" although she could mean its been patched up (bandaged

Oohh you have got me there because I have dipped in and out of this case and therefore I am not aware of some of the finer details. So firstly , can you point me in the direction of where to find the individual pieces of information/audio/tv appearance etc that I can peruse and get back to you with my considered opinion please?
Feel free to start a conversation with me to enable free reign and discussion of those initialled . Thanks

Can you help me here @Vixey I am trying to find the Sky news interview with GF (video) not text
and the balloon release where SC gets emotional, I will be forever grateful, - if you can post the links to
Angleterre

 

[Blonderabbit]

Agree did this happen or not? When CL left work & walked part of way home posted letter gets a lift half way home did this person drop CL at home or carry on too somewhere else? This would explain CL bag missing as she had it with her. It would also explain why her bed was made as she would not of slept in her bed that night. It would also explain breakfast pots in sink as probily left them too wash up when she arrived home. I read somewhere police were not sure she actually got home after finishing work on the 18th.

some interesting points. I refer you to the microsite.

18 March, 14:47 – Claudia walks home and appears to post something.

These words have to be accurate. It says "home"

 

[Popejohn3]

I’m going to play devils advocate with this post but it is what I think.

People such as JK etc don’t read these threads and if they do they won’t be bothered enough to post they have their own lives and it was 11 years ago now.

All this enhancing a speck of CCTV to show more people etc is just rubbish. It’s just lightening it’s actually laughable it could be other people. I’m afraid it’s all to conspiratory. She was seeing someone nasty who has done for her. I’m sorry to say that is the answer. It might be more interesting to believe other possibilities but it’s just inaccurate.

Oh I cannot believe they do not read these posts!
They have worked very hard in helping police and family trying to find their friend .
They must have been asked not to communicate with strangers in case they divulge sensitive information.
Plus they are very proud of ‘their ‘ Facebook website and would mean taking ‘traffic’ away from that site if and when they openly contribute here or any other site apart from ‘their’ site .I hope I’m making myself clear.

 

[Popejohn3]

Criminal Profiling must

"Perhaps" although she could mean its been patched up (bandaged



Can you help me here @Vixey I am trying to find the Sky news interview with GF (video) not text
and the balloon release where SC gets emotional, I will be forever grateful, - if you can post the links to
Angleterre

I believe Yozzer posted gf clip a few days sgo

 

[Blonderabbit]

@Madpaul71 - what I have found in my own life, is its easy to jump to conclusions based on the evidence you have. I find this with the rucksack - for me its a pivotable piece of evidence. it would be far easier to be open minded to other possibilities if it was not missing. so your suggestion it may of been left somewhere on her way home on the 18th could help solve the case. The police know she arrived home, the question is did she have her rucksack?

 

[Blonderabbit]

I believe Yozzer posted gf clip a few days sgo

would you like to know what our law enforcement specialist thinks of the clip?

 

[Popejohn3]

some interesting points. I refer you to the microsite.

18 March, 14:47 – Claudia walks home and appears to post something.

These words have to be accurate. It says "home"

Not literally accurate the post box was not at no 46

 

[Popejohn3]

would you like to know what our law enforcement specialist thinks of the clip?

I’m more interested in what GF has to say about the clip and whether he wants to elaborate!

 

[Blonderabbit]

Not literally accurate the post box was not at no 46

Here's a thought. Why did she not post it on the way to work?
Someone at work may of given it to her and said, if you are passing a box can you drop this in? It may of been admin generated at work. I would guess she is on cctv at work, the police can perhaps see her talking to dear friend D.O.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I’m more interested in what GF has to say about the clip and whether he wants to elaborate!

Well you can look at the Claudia Lawrance clip, then look at the clip when he explains how he saved someone's life.

 

[Popejohn3]

Here's a thought. Why did she not post it on the way to work?
Someone at work may of given it to her and said, if you are passing a box can you drop this in? It may of been admin generated at work. I would guess she is on cctv at work, the police can perhaps see her talking to dear friend D.O.

Yes she could have passed that post box in a car in the morning.
Do we know for sure she walked all the way on that day ?

 

[Popejohn3]

Here's a thought. Why did she not post it on the way to work?
Someone at work may of given it to her and said, if you are passing a box can you drop this in? It may of been admin generated at work. I would guess she is on cctv at work, the police can perhaps see her talking to dear friend D.O.

And of course this someone would have told the police she was doing them a favour by posting it for them !