UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #13

[MEKON]

Lol. Have to agree with this, we have an undercover cop who is really a drug dealing gypsy, in a bin lorry, wearing a wig that has changed colour and disposing of CL in the cellar of the NH.
Sometimes we try too hard to make the evidence fit the theory rather than fit the theory to the evidence.

I do not think it is an impossibility that temporary places were used; until an object was removed. I believe local houses were searched, so the concept must have been considered

 

[Bagpipes]

I do not think it is an impossibility that temporary places were used; until an object was removed. I believe local houses were searched, so the concept must have been considered

Hows this, CL removed from Heworth road, out the back, directly across to a property on Heworth Place, rear entry. Then out of front door of Heworth Place into a waiting car, parked there quite legitimately by the occupier of the house, all done in the dead of night and out of the scope of CCTV?
IMOO

 

[oudzuid]

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I attach the CCTV footage from the morning of 19th March at 05:07

If you examine the window with multiple panes on the corner of Heworth Road and Heworth Place whilst Alley Person is walking towards the Alley, It can be seen the flashing of orange lights as a reflection that is similar to either a waste disposal or breakdown vehicle:

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<modsnip> possibly a Rubbish removal vehicle.

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[MEKON]

Hows this, CL removed from Heworth road, out the back, directly across to a property on Heworth Place, rear entry. Then out of front door of Heworth Place into a waiting car, parked there quite legitimately by the occupier of the house, all done in the dead of night and out of the scope of CCTV?
IMOO

Quite possibly; but would it be an easy task knowing the scope of camera footage

 

[Ergs]

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I attach the CCTV footage from the morning of 19th March at 05:07

If you examine the window with multiple panes on the corner of Heworth Road and Heworth Place whilst Alley Person is walking towards the Alley, It can be seen the flashing of orange lights as a reflection that is similar to either a waste disposal or breakdown vehicle:

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<modsnip> possibly a Rubbish removal vehicle.

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Was this the same fixed cctv camera?

 

[Bagpipes]

Quite possibly; but would it be an easy task knowing the scope of camera footage

No CCTV in back ally or the houses.....so......what cameras. Straight out of one property, directly across the alley, straight into another property. Where's the CCTV?

 

[ArcadeFire]

So, between the limes court camera and the alley, you couldn't park a car out of camera shot?

Yes you could but not without being seen entering and exiting the alleyway

 

[ArcadeFire]

Hows this, CL removed from Heworth road, out the back, directly across to a property on Heworth Place, rear entry. Then out of front door of Heworth Place into a waiting car, parked there quite legitimately by the occupier of the house, all done in the dead of night and out of the scope of CCTV?
IMOO

Or, easier and far more plausible, out the back into car in nags head car park where there is no camera coverage

 

[Bagpipes]

Yes you could but not without being seen entering and exiting the alleyway

As I said, car could have been there for days and not necessarily leaving in the middle of the night. If it belonged to a resident of Heworth road or place would it really look suspicious?

 

[Bagpipes]

Or, easier and far more plausible, out the back into car in nags head car park where there is no camera coverage

Is there camera coverage on Heworth Place?
I mean other than at the entrance where it meets with limes?

 

[Ergs]

The second cctv is earlier than the first - look at the shadows

 

[oudzuid]

The second cctv is earlier than the first - look at the shadows

Not according to the Police but I don't disagree with your observation @Ergs

 

[oudzuid]

Is there camera coverage on Heworth Place?
I mean other than at the entrance where it meets with limes?

Yes, 2 Cameras on the walls of the Limes accomodation.

 

[Ergs]

Not according to the Police but I don't disagree with your observation @Ergs

What’s causing the shadows on the second clip. Even the angle is slightly different

 

[Bagpipes]

Yes, 2 Cameras on the walls of the Limes accomodation.

So, would someone coming out of the front door of their house midway along Heworth Place be picked up by CCTV?

 

[MEKON]

Hows this, CL removed from Heworth road, out the back, directly across to a property on Heworth Place, rear entry. Then out of front door of Heworth Place into a waiting car, parked there quite legitimately by the occupier of the house, all done in the dead of night and out of the scope of CCTV?
IMOO

oudzuid, Yesterday at 9:01 AM

That's great information @keep-it-real As if she had not been seen on CCTV that morning then it is unlikely that she left by the front door as equally our team have confirmation of the CCTV in the premises opposite.

And so to reduce speculation we have:

Not left by front door on 19th
Left by the back door on her own accord to venture further afield at any time after 15:10 on afternoon of 18th.
Left by the back door against her wishes or unconscious / dead.



Possibly the answer then

 

[oudzuid]

So, would someone coming out of the front door of their house midway along Heworth Place be picked up by CCTV?

They are fixed cameras with a narrower vision than the Global camera sited in Limes car park that captured Alley person and so range is more limited.

I believe that Police know where Alleyperson went morning and night but they were putting the frighteners on Perps and also wanted someone to come forward and so "Thats our Fred"

 

[oudzuid]

Yes you could but not without being seen entering and exiting the alleyway

You MIGHT be seen by the furthest away CCTV camera on the Limes accom. wall towards the end of the Cul-De-Sac of Heworth Place-But not a certainty.
The closest CCTV Camera does not have avision of the Alley as it is pointing down Heworth Place.

 

[oudzuid]

As I said, car could have been there for days and not necessarily leaving in the middle of the night. If it belonged to a resident of Heworth road or place would it really look suspicious?

It cold even be parked in the repair garage beyond the Nags Car park.
Or
Could the body have been stored in the Boot of Ray (Nags head Chef) Car whilst he was on holiday abroad.
If it was discovered then it doesn't point towards anyone-Even Ray.

 

[Bagpipes]

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I attach the CCTV footage from the morning of 19th March at 05:07

If you examine the window with multiple panes on the corner of Heworth Road and Heworth Place whilst Alley Person is walking towards the Alley, It can be seen the flashing of orange lights as a reflection that is similar to either a waste disposal or breakdown vehicle:

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<modsnip> possibly a Rubbish removal vehicle.

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The comments on YouTube from that first clip are absolutely shocking.
I'm so sad for her family.