UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #14

[keep-it-real]

Looking back at the York Press archives for march 18th it appears that roadworks were causing diversions and delays around York
Cost of cycle route work at Water End in Clifton, York, soars to £500,000

P&T Contract Workers in in Orange Hi Viz vests - poss Orange hi viz vest spotted in photo of SUV by a WS member a few posts back.

Salisbury Rd,-Water End -Clifton Green is approx 1.5-2 miles from Acomb

The company carrying out the works were P&T Contracts Westfields Hull Road Dunnington York.
They carry out Highway, railway civil engineering work, and residential tarmacing and paving.
https://www.pandtcontracts.co.uk/about.php
The vehicles in the carpark may be worth cheking out.

 

[keep-it-real]

DBM

 

[Popejohn3]

You are right two lines of thought 18th or 19th?
N4 or not the N4 that is the question!!
It’s not at her house in my opinion, the rucksack is gone - so it’s either she went elsewhere on the 18th or somehow left her house on the 19th from the front door without being seen on cctv.
What’s the motive if one of the four AC? DR? SR? PR? If PR was dating CL wether behind someone’s back or not the others would surely know - would any of the three A - be dating her knowing pr is there already? Or B - harm her? So for me by process of elimination it can only be 1 of the four. It’s a third party - then why haven’t the N4 broken cover and gone to the press or made a complaint against the police?

One of the 4 poi did go to the press I believe it was a year ago ! He complained the police got it all wrong .

 

[shadwell]

Looking back at the York Press archives for march 18th it appears that roadworks were causing diversions and delays around York
Cost of cycle route work at Water End in Clifton, York, soars to £500,000

P&T Contract Workers in in Orange Hi Viz vests - poss Orange hi viz vest spotted in photo of SUV by a WS member a few posts back.

Salisbury Rd,-Water End -Clifton Green is approx 1.5-2 miles from Acomb
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The company carrying out the works were P&T Contracts Westfields Hull Road Dunnington York.
They carry out Highway, railway civil engineering work, and residential tarmacing and paving.
https://www.pandtcontracts.co.uk/about.php
The vehicles in the carpark may be worth cheking out.
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Hmm. The Ranger in the car park looks interesting, mostly because of the way the roof rails appear to project over the back of the cab - echoes what appears to be some weirdness about the roof in the bus cctv.

But, on the other hand we are back to the question of what evidence do we accept or reject; the Ranger was ruled out of the investigation the day after the appeal was launched in April 2009: Detectives rule out mystery van in search for Claudia Lawrence

 

[shadwell]

She was caught on the cctv sited in the house opposite it captured her when she arrived home on weds afternoon

There is no time stamp on the Melrosegate PO footage.
Last known movements of Claudia Lawrence

Though as it goes, there is - but we rarely get to see it. Which perhaps raises another point as to why the Ranger was excluded so quickly - the images released to the public were generally of very poor quality, with the occasional exception of so-called ‘enhanced’ still images which better reflect the quality of the cctv available to the inquiry team.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Coming late to the party here - but how can they be linked? Claudia went missing in 2009 and WC didn't start working for the MET until 2018.

@keep-it-real thought that Sarah had worked at the Palace of Westminster at some point and had met WC

 

[keep-it-real]

Hmm. The Ranger in the car park looks interesting, mostly because of the way the roof rails appear to project over the back of the cab - echoes what appears to be some weirdness about the roof in the bus cctv.

But, on the other hand we are back to the question of what evidence do we accept or reject; the Ranger was ruled out of the investigation the day after the appeal was launched in April 2009: Detectives rule out mystery van in search for Claudia Lawrence

Its a tough task when even the police have said openly they know people had been lying to them. How I tend to look at it is amass as much detail as you can about vehicle types and their owners, further research might find that vehicle or person turns up again.
as always its about trying to find poss links .

In my opinion Claudia had already left the house before the bus travelled down Heworth road.
But I am interested as a whole into everything that was being shown on cctv and bus cam as Im sure they are capturing important activity that related to why Claudia disappeared.

 

[Happygirlie2003]

I don’t think anything can be ruled out here, although geographically WC’s involvement seems way off the mark there are many things that are in my mind that have been mentioned in this thread namely Claudias car in for repair at the time she disappeared (he used to be a mechanic) and the fact SE’s body was found in a builders bag when there’s been a lot of chat on here around her being buried under the university. Then there’s the fact CL and SE both from York. I know some of this may seem bizarre to find a connection it’s not the first time serial killers have killed in different locations. I just have a feeling more will come out about WC...or is that just me?

 

[shadwell]

I don’t think anything can be ruled out here, although geographically WC’s involvement seems way off the mark there are many things that are in my mind that have been mentioned in this thread namely Claudias car in for repair at the time she disappeared (he used to be a mechanic) and the fact SE’s body was found in a builders bag when there’s been a lot of chat on here around her being buried under the university. Then there’s the fact CL and SE both from York. I know some of this may seem bizarre to find a connection it’s not the first time serial killers have killed in different locations. I just have a feeling more will come out about WC...or is that just me?

True - though I would hope any elimination would have amounted to more than “I was in the pub” - “Oh right you are then, off you go.”

I am currently inclined to agree with your belief that CL had already left her house at this point - having trawled through the early threads it’s a shame @moonsafari isn’t still around as there’s a couple of points she might be able to clarify wrt this possibility.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I don’t think anything can be ruled out here, although geographically WC’s involvement seems way off the mark there are many things that are in my mind that have been mentioned in this thread namely Claudias car in for repair at the time she disappeared (he used to be a mechanic) and the fact SE’s body was found in a builders bag when there’s been a lot of chat on here around her being buried under the university. Then there’s the fact CL and SE both from York. I know some of this may seem bizarre to find a connection it’s not the first time serial killers have killed in different locations. I just have a feeling more will come out about WC...or is that just me?

WC's brother is a police man too (became it earlier than WC), and we don't know, where his job is or was in 2009. Who knows, if there are connections, maybe not especially regarding York.

 

[Inspector Evans]

Its a tough task when even the police have said openly they know people had been lying to them. How I tend to look at it is amass as much detail as you can about vehicle types and their owners, further research might find that vehicle or person turns up again.
as always its about trying to find poss links .

In my opinion Claudia had already left the house before the bus travelled down Heworth road.
But I am interested as a whole into everything that was being shown on cctv and bus cam as Im sure they are capturing important activity that related to why Claudia disappeared.

Was the bus hourly at that time of the night? What time was it due to cut out of service in March 2009?

I presume the police have before and after scene of all the buses that passed down the road on the night and hours before when it was still light to see which vehicles were residents and which were visitors so would be interesting to see that as a timeline as to when certain ones turned up and left, was said the White van left the area after 9pm according to reports.

 

[Inspector Evans]

True - though I would hope any elimination would have amounted to more than “I was in the pub” - “Oh right you are then, off you go.”

I am currently inclined to agree with your belief that CL had already left her house at this point - having trawled through the early threads it’s a shame @moonsafari isn’t still around as there’s a couple of points she might be able to clarify wrt this possibility.

It's very tough to say isn't it. All that is certain is she spoke to her Mum on the phone that night around 8pm. From which location no one can be 100% but there was no cause for alarm from her tones so she felt safe and relaxed wherever she was.

My hunch remains she was at home (of course could've left shortly afterwards) and things kicked off overnight/early morning that ended her life for some reason.

 

[Pinkizzy]

I guess Claudia's death is down to one person.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I don’t think anything can be ruled out here, although geographically WC’s involvement seems way off the mark there are many things that are in my mind that have been mentioned in this thread namely Claudias car in for repair at the time she disappeared (he used to be a mechanic) and the fact SE’s body was found in a builders bag when there’s been a lot of chat on here around her being buried under the university. Then there’s the fact CL and SE both from York. I know some of this may seem bizarre to find a connection it’s not the first time serial killers have killed in different locations. I just have a feeling more will come out about WC...or is that just me?

What you are doing is natural - we all look for similarities. It’s unlikely - the way in which he has killed S.E. Is impulsive and disorganised. For a armed police officer he’s shown little ability to get away with murder. On the other hand C.Ls killer is organised or very lucky - though even with luck on your side you still have to tie up loose ends. Which until now seems to be the case.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Hot on the Hoof

I have always favoured a moment of anger. Yes there is examples of dislike, however on balance no more than anyone I know. An attractive woman single at 35 - perhaps she had never met Mr Right, perhaps she didn’t want to get stuck in a relationship. A planned event by multiple perps is a possibility - I find it hard to be open to it - tho let’s face it, it’s what the team at NYP think. So why would a group of men kill a defenceless much loved friend. I cannot help but wonder if its horse related. Claudia had horses - The Friday before Claudia disappeared was a race day, Claudia had become a little loose lipped and then laid low for the following days - what had she revealed?

 

[UKjester]

Hmm. The Ranger in the car park looks interesting, mostly because of the way the roof rails appear to project over the back of the cab - echoes what appears to be some weirdness about the roof in the bus cctv.

But, on the other hand we are back to the question of what evidence do we accept or reject; the Ranger was ruled out of the investigation the day after the appeal was launched in April 2009: Detectives rule out mystery van in search for Claudia Lawrence

That appears to be a Nissan Navara rather than a Ford Ranger. The other photo of the roadworks captured a dark blue/black Vauxhall corsa similar for CL’s. That prompted me to check the images of her car in the police compound.
The front driver side wheel looks amazingly dusty, do we know where the car broke down? I assume the car was recovered as the front towing eye is still screwed in through the front bumper. Was she at the stables? Was she somewhere where her car was tampered with? Did the police ever check where the car was before it went to the garage?

 

[Blonderabbit]

That appears to be a Nissan Navara rather than a Ford Ranger. The other photo of the roadworks captured a dark blue/black Vauxhall corsa similar for CL’s. That prompted me to check the images of her car in the police compound.
The front driver side wheel looks amazingly dusty, do we know where the car broke down? I assume the car was recovered as the front towing eye is still screwed in through the front bumper. Was she at the stables? Was she somewhere where her car was tampered with? Did the police ever check where the car was before it went to the garage?

Could it be a 54 plate mits warrior?

 

[shadwell]

That appears to be a Nissan Navara rather than a Ford Ranger. The other photo of the roadworks captured a dark blue/black Vauxhall corsa similar for CL’s. That prompted me to check the images of her car in the police compound.
The front driver side wheel looks amazingly dusty, do we know where the car broke down? I assume the car was recovered as the front towing eye is still screwed in through the front bumper. Was she at the stables? Was she somewhere where her car was tampered with? Did the police ever check where the car was before it went to the garage?

Can you post the photos you mention?

 

[Popejohn3]

That appears to be a Nissan Navara rather than a Ford Ranger. The other photo of the roadworks captured a dark blue/black Vauxhall corsa similar for CL’s. That prompted me to check the images of her car in the police compound.
The front driver side wheel looks amazingly dusty, do we know where the car broke down? I assume the car was recovered as the front towing eye is still screwed in through the front bumper. Was she at the stables? Was she somewhere where her car was tampered with? Did the police ever check where the car was before it went to the garage?

Very good questions.
Questions I’ve been asking for a long time .
Was she recovered by the AA or RAC ? There would be a record kept somewhere.
Was she alone ? Was the smoker with her ?

 

[susie sixpence]

Was her car recovered by a local garage? Do they have a left hand smoker? Green flag usually work from the nearest garage.
Was her car sabotaged, made to break down so they could recover it.
I have been given cards before by local taxi minicabs touting for business. Put my number in your phone they say, incase you need it. One cold morning running late, arranges minicab taxi to work.