UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #15

[Blonderabbit]

The CCTV of alleyman and the timing almost felt to me like a message to the perps interviewed saying we know this is you and we know you lied about where you were (but you had an alibi who lied) so own up or we release this footage for the public to identify you. Maybe it’s unrelated but it feels like a carefully timed release they were sitting on for a while.

How long have you been looking at the case? Once you have exhausted all the material available as many sleuths have, you will understand why there is so many possibilities. Its best to keep an open mind. people disappear every day - this isn't a unique crime. you seem to indicate its a crime involving many people - why do you think so?

 

[Bagpipes]

I believe that some people want an answer, so much, that, having exhausted the evidence available, make extra work for themselves, in search of that answer. They will hunt high and low to fit what they find to the crime in order to have resolution. I find it's better to look at the evidence and draw up a theory, rather than start with a theory and hunt for your evidence.
I'm not having a go at anybody, I've just seen it time and time again on various cases.
The evidence is there, the police know who did it, they just don't have enough incriminating evidence and proof.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Alley man walks with a limp, doesn't he? This limp may be temporary (Claudia kicked him) or long term.

 

[ragnorok]

I doubt a reward will encourage anyone to come forward with vital information - rarely works

These people consider a reward as being free from scrutiny of the public and police and just being free in general. That’s there idea of a reward, and the perps consider being feared as the ultimate reward. A few coins won’t loosen there tongues, it’s more likely one of them will get caught up in a moment of self congratulations one day and say too much. It’s all about how that happens and who’s listening but that’s ultimately how they will get caught IMO.

How long have you been looking at the case? Once you have exhausted all the material available as many sleuths have, you will understand why there is so many possibilities. Its best to keep an open mind. people disappear every day - this isn't a unique crime. you seem to indicate its a crime involving many people - why do you think so?

Killing someone isn’t complicated. Getting rid of a body quickly is though. Like I said it’s much harder for one person to do that and not slip up without help in how and where to do it, especially if they are not particularly skilled in doing it. They had not more than a few days before the police was already looking so not much time.

Doesn’t sound like the work of one person but the killing was almost definitely just one person but they had help to clean it up. The trail is too clean for nothing to have come of it. I compared it to Libby Squires case because look at how much evidence is present when only one person is involved. One person can’t think of everything and it shows.

 

[ragnorok]

Besides we already know the perpetrator had help hiding the body. The police said as much when they revealed people were lying to them and being economical with the truth.

 

[Blonderabbit]

These people consider a reward as being free from scrutiny of the public and police and just being free in general. That’s there idea of a reward, and the perps consider being feared as the ultimate reward. A few coins won’t loosen there tongues, it’s more likely one of them will get caught up in a moment of self congratulations one day and say too much. It’s all about how that happens and who’s listening but that’s ultimately how they will get caught IMO.


Killing someone isn’t complicated. Getting rid of a body quickly is though. Like I said it’s much harder for one person to do that and not slip up without help in how and where to do it, especially if they are not particularly skilled in doing it. They had not more than a few days before the police was already looking so not much time.

Doesn’t sound like the work of one person but the killing was almost definitely just one person but they had help to clean it up. The trail is too clean for nothing to have come of it. I compared it to Libby Squires case because look at how much evidence is present when only one person is involved. One person can’t think of everything and it shows.

These people consider a reward as being free from scrutiny of the public and police and just being free in general. That’s there idea of a reward, and the perps consider being feared as the ultimate reward. A few coins won’t loosen there tongues, it’s more likely one of them will get caught up in a moment of self congratulations one day and say too much. It’s all about how that happens and who’s listening but that’s ultimately how they will get caught IMO.


Killing someone isn’t complicated. Getting rid of a body quickly is though. Like I said it’s much harder for one person to do that and not slip up without help in how and where to do it, especially if they are not particularly skilled in doing it. They had not more than a few days before the police was already looking so not much time.

Doesn’t sound like the work of one person but the killing was almost definitely just one person but they had help to clean it up. The trail is too clean for nothing to have come of it. I compared it to Libby Squires case because look at how much evidence is present when only one person is involved. One person can’t think of everything and it shows.

I am playing Devil's here. This may not reflect my view of the case - tho - imagine the new boyfriend scenario - off the radar - she goes to his house - an argument, the police or anyone else may not know to look there, EVER -so she could be in his freezer. getting rid of a body - its no big deal. bit of imagination... a knee jerk reaction is to dig a hole in the woods or throw the body in a lake or river - obviously these crimes come to light unexpectedly. There is not one person on here who can give you one shred of evidence against the four, all they say is "o well the police case is x y z, but not enough evidence. none of the four have been in trouble before and none since to my knowledge. an unusual situation.

 

[Pinkizzy]

These people consider a reward as being free from scrutiny of the public and police and just being free in general. That’s there idea of a reward, and the perps consider being feared as the ultimate reward. A few coins won’t loosen there tongues, it’s more likely one of them will get caught up in a moment of self congratulations one day and say too much. It’s all about how that happens and who’s listening but that’s ultimately how they will get caught IMO.


Killing someone isn’t complicated. Getting rid of a body quickly is though. Like I said it’s much harder for one person to do that and not slip up without help in how and where to do it, especially if they are not particularly skilled in doing it. They had not more than a few days before the police was already looking so not much time.

Doesn’t sound like the work of one person but the killing was almost definitely just one person but they had help to clean it up. The trail is too clean for nothing to have come of it. I compared it to Libby Squires case because look at how much evidence is present when only one person is involved. One person can’t think of everything and it shows.

Libby's killer nearly got away with it. Her body nearly floated out to sea before it was spotted by the coastguard. Whoever killed Claudia has taken a huge risk asking for help to dispose of her body. I hope the killer or the accomplice will talk in their sleep

 

[RenPoly]

Libby's killer nearly got away with it. Her body nearly floated out to sea before it was spotted by the coastguard. Whoever killed Claudia has taken a huge risk asking for help to dispose of her body. I hope the killer or the accomplice will talk in their sleep

These are very different cases. LS was alone, vulnerable and taken almost on impulse by an opportunistic predator.
The CL case looks far more like it was someone known to her and/or her social circle.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Besides we already know the perpetrator had help hiding the body. The police said as much when they revealed people were lying to them and being economical with the truth.

huge assumption there. people lying could merely be a bluff, it could mean people are not coming forward because they were in marriages or relationships. There is no reference to help with a body

 

[Blonderabbit]

These are very different cases. LS was alone, vulnerable and taken almost on impulse by an opportunistic predator.
The CL case looks far more like it was someone known to her and/or her social circle.

totally agree, its more like Joanne Yeates or the more recent chap from the met

 

[Pinkizzy]

We should ask Mark Williams Thomas for his views on the case.

 

[Bagpipes]

Libby's killer nearly got away with it. Her body nearly floated out to sea before it was spotted by the coastguard. Whoever killed Claudia has taken a huge risk asking for help to dispose of her body. I hope the killer or the accomplice will talk in their sleep

Nonsense, Killer was caught on CCTV

 

[Bagpipes]

These are very different cases. LS was alone, vulnerable and taken almost on impulse by an opportunistic predator.
The CL case looks far more like it was someone known to her and/or her social circle.

Absolutely agree with you on that.

 

[Bagpipes]

We should ask Mark Williams Thomas for his views on the case.

Really? Lol. Guy has zero credibility

 

[Blonderabbit]

Mark William Thomas

From his interviews on tv the Claudias case - he firstly states the police know exactly where the texts were sent from on the evening of the 18th and where she made the calls from. Pin point accuracy! He states in a later interview 2 Individuals are involved. These are key pieces of information. He also states the police feel it all took place on the evening of the 18th. So you can forget pretty much any sighting of Claudia on the 19th - it’s highly likely she was taken or killed on the 18th - chilling! So my focus has to be on the Suv and the car in front - who are they and what we’re they doing? If Sleuths are to move forward on this case - these are the answers to find.

 

[UKjester]

On the topic of the Ford SUV that was shown on Google Street view in 2008 on Melrosegate. I had been trying to get a better angle of the driver. From one angle it showed what appears to be a stocky driver with a luminous orange work coat hung on the back of the driver’s seat. Amazingly from using my phone (not laptop) I found this image.
I cannot explain how the images of the same vehicle appear to have different occupants when viewed at a different angle. Has anyone else found this?

<modsnip: Image removed due to no link. All images require a link>

 

[Blonderabbit]

On the topic of the Ford SUV that was shown on Google Street view in 2008 on Melrosegate. I had been trying to get a better angle of the driver. From one angle it showed what appears to be a stocky driver with a luminous orange work coat hung on the back of the driver’s seat. Amazingly from using my phone (not laptop) I found this image.
I cannot explain how the images of the same vehicle appear to have different occupants when viewed at a different angle. Has anyone else found this?

Logically there is no explanation other than human intervention - unless of course it’s a different vehicle or a different time

 

[keep-it-real]

Mark William Thomas

From his interviews on tv the Claudias case - he firstly states the police know exactly where the texts were sent from on the evening of the 18th and where she made the calls from. Pin point accuracy! He states in a later interview 2 Individuals are involved. These are key pieces of information. He also states the police feel it all took place on the evening of the 18th. So you can forget pretty much any sighting of Claudia on the 19th - it’s highly likely she was taken or killed on the 18th - chilling! So my focus has to be on the Suv and the car in front - who are they and what we’re they doing? If Sleuths are to move forward on this case - these are the answers to find.

I think it would be helpful to know when the SUV was seen to arrive on Heworth road. It had to appear on either the Limes or Costcutters cctv.

 

[Pinkizzy]

On the topic of the Ford SUV that was shown on Google Street view in 2008 on Melrosegate. I had been trying to get a better angle of the driver. From one angle it showed what appears to be a stocky driver with a luminous orange work coat hung on the back of the driver’s seat. Amazingly from using my phone (not laptop) I found this image.
I cannot explain how the images of the same vehicle appear to have different occupants when viewed at a different angle. Has anyone else found this?

I guess Google Street view is cutting and pasting views from different time frames for some reason

 

[Pinkizzy]

I guess Google Street view is cutting and pasting views from different time frames for some reason

Google Street view may be cutting images of Claudia on her own and with other people before replacing them with other images