UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #15

[Bagpipes]

Google Street view may be cutting images of Claudia on her own and with other people before replacing them with other images

You should contact them and ask if they do that, otherwise it just looks like footage isn't suiting your theory.

 

[ragnorok]

I am playing Devil's here. This may not reflect my view of the case - tho - imagine the new boyfriend scenario - off the radar - she goes to his house - an argument, the police or anyone else may not know to look there, EVER -so she could be in his freezer. getting rid of a body - its no big deal. bit of imagination... a knee jerk reaction is to dig a hole in the woods or throw the body in a lake or river - obviously these crimes come to light unexpectedly. There is not one person on here who can give you one shred of evidence against the four, all they say is "o well the police case is x y z, but not enough evidence. none of the four have been in trouble before and none since to my knowledge. an unusual situation.

Is that a fact? Because that doesn’t sound like a fact to me. In fact from what emerged from the police investigation into these 4 POI - they didn’t exactly act like people who have nothing to hide.. If you have nothing to hide why not cooperate with the investigation?

CPS will not charge four men for Claudia Lawrence murder

Reading into this article what the police submitted to The Crown Prosecution Service and there strong reaction following the news didn’t exactly fill me with any confidence these four can be cleared of anything.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Is that a fact? Because that doesn’t sound like a fact to me. In fact from what emerged from the police investigation into these 4 POI - they didn’t exactly act like people who have nothing to hide.. If you have nothing to hide why not cooperate with the investigation?

CPS will not charge four men for Claudia Lawrence murder

Reading into this article what the police submitted to The Crown Prosecution Service and there strong reaction following the news didn’t exactly fill me with any confidence these four can be cleared of anything.

If faced being accused of a crime - what would anyone do guilty or not - especially if you wanted to protect an interest. Tell them everything you know or no comment? It’s innocent until
Proven guilty - prove the case - don’t expect it to fall into your lap

 

[Bagpipes]

If faced being accused of a crime - what would anyone do guilty or not - especially if you wanted to protect an interest. Tell them everything you know or no comment? It’s innocent until
Proven guilty - prove the case - don’t expect it to fall into your lap

Depends what the crime is. Under the CL circumstances obviously a guilty person would probably go down the no comment route, or play along and lie and mislead whilst pleading not guilty.
If they weren't guilty it would be the same scenario if they knew who did do it.
As I say, depends on the crime, you can still plead guilty if the evidence is stacked against you but also choose not to comment if it's going to involve other people.

 

[keep-it-real]

Is that a fact? Because that doesn’t sound like a fact to me. In fact from what emerged from the police investigation into these 4 POI - they didn’t exactly act like people who have nothing to hide.. If you have nothing to hide why not cooperate with the investigation?

CPS will not charge four men for Claudia Lawrence murder

Reading into this article what the police submitted to The Crown Prosecution Service and there strong reaction following the news didn’t exactly fill me with any confidence these four can be cleared of anything.

For anyone interested Criminal records searches can be made online through the Public Records Search
UK Criminal Records Are Easy To Locate Using Public Records

 

[keep-it-real]

Is that a fact? Because that doesn’t sound like a fact to me. In fact from what emerged from the police investigation into these 4 POI - they didn’t exactly act like people who have nothing to hide.. If you have nothing to hide why not cooperate with the investigation?

CPS will not charge four men for Claudia Lawrence murder

Reading into this article what the police submitted to The Crown Prosecution Service and there strong reaction following the news didn’t exactly fill me with any confidence these four can be cleared of anything.

Did anyone else find this comment in the article interesting.
Malyn added: “The lack of extended CCTV footage from that camera on the days and weeks either side of Claudia’s disappearance has been one of our biggest frustrations and is typical of the type of challenge that faces a cold case review team.”

I think it would not be unreasonable to ask questions as what were the reasons why there was a lack of cctv for the days and weeks either side of Claudias disappearance, yet there was no problem with obtaining cctv for weds 18th and thurs 19th.

 

[Bagpipes]

For anyone interested Criminal records searches can be made online through the Public Records Search
UK Criminal Records Are Easy To Locate Using Public Records

My previous point being, one can search to see if someone has a criminal record but without authorisation one will not see the record. I believe that information is only available to DBS. My apologies for any previous misunderstanding

 

[ragnorok]

If faced being accused of a crime - what would anyone do guilty or not - especially if you wanted to protect an interest. Tell them everything you know or no comment? It’s innocent until
Proven guilty - prove the case - don’t expect it to fall into your lap

If you’re truly innocent my first thought going into a murder investigation interrogation wouldn’t be “I need to protect someone else”.

It would be “I need to clear my name beyond all doubt”.. you can’t do that by saying “no comment”

 

[keep-it-real]

If you’re truly innocent my first thought going into a murder investigation interrogation wouldn’t be “I need to protect someone else”.

It would be “I need to clear my name beyond all doubt”.. you can’t do that by saying “no comment”

Im not sure I would use the word interrogation. But being arrested under suspicion of murder a warrant would have been issued for that arrest. When arrested the person would be cautioned

“You do not have to say anything. But, it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.”

I would expect the person charged would have or requested a legal representative to be present, and the arrested individual would take instruction from them.

Being arrested: your rights

 

[Blonderabbit]

If you’re truly innocent my first thought going into a murder investigation interrogation wouldn’t be “I need to protect someone else”.

It would be “I need to clear my name beyond all doubt”.. you can’t do that by saying “no comment”

Depends on how you view the police, depends on your circumstance. As above someone saying no comment may not be guilty

 

[ragnorok]

Not helping a murder investigation because you don’t like the police is totally normal behaviour... for a criminal!

It’s not really a surprise when the people involved were described as a rogues gallery and were even threatening journalists. Who does that? People who are complicit or directly involved in criminal activity, the kind of people who don’t like the police or talking to them. Not innocent people.

These cowards will tell themselves anything to justify not coming forward with something that could help the investigation move forwards. Dai was right they should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[UKjester]

Not helping a murder investigation because you don’t like the police is totally normal behaviour... for a criminal!

It’s not really a surprise when the people involved were described as a rogues gallery and were even threatening journalists. Who does that? People who are complicit or directly involved in criminal activity, the kind of people who don’t like the police or talking to them. Not innocent people.

These cowards will tell themselves anything to justify not coming forward with something that could help the investigation move forwards. Dai was right they should be ashamed of themselves.

Where was it reported the members of the rogues gallery were threatening Journalists?

From his interview it was suggested that Gerard Tubb was warned off the case more than once. The previous posts on here suggested this had occurred in Malton and not Heworth.

Do you have more details?

 

[Blonderabbit]

Not helping a murder investigation because you don’t like the police is totally normal behaviour... for a criminal!

It’s not really a surprise when the people involved were described as a rogues gallery and were even threatening journalists. Who does that? People who are complicit or directly involved in criminal activity, the kind of people who don’t like the police or talking to them. Not innocent people.

These cowards will tell themselves anything to justify not coming forward with something that could help the investigation move forwards. Dai was right they should be ashamed of themselves.

I’m not really sure about that. It’s a naive point of view to think it’s a binary choice between right and wrong. I think of myself as fairly honest - if I was arrested for murder and I hadn’t done it - I’d be annoyed to say the least and I’d probably vent my disgust with no comment answers. I don’t feel
I’m alone. Yes there are I’m sure people feeling ashamed of themselves, tho through fear cannot break silence. It’s not a case of once the perp or perps are locked up the fear goes away - for an informant it’s where it starts. Yes they could be moved away given a new identity - but then kiss goodbye to the life they have established and the home family and friends they love and for what? Someone that’s been dead 12 years - as sad as it is. I wouldn’t

 

[Popejohn3]

I’m not really sure about that. It’s a naive point of view to think it’s a binary choice between right and wrong. I think of myself as fairly honest - if I was arrested for murder and I hadn’t done it - I’d be annoyed to say the least and I’d probably vent my disgust with no comment answers. I don’t feel
I’m alone. Yes there are I’m sure people feeling ashamed of themselves, tho through fear cannot break silence. It’s not a case of once the perp or perps are locked up the fear goes away - for an informant it’s where it starts. Yes they could be moved away given a new identity - but then kiss goodbye to the life they have established and the home family and friends they love and for what? Someone that’s been dead 12 years - as sad as it is. I wouldn’t

Agree with the above but also/ on the other hand , the perp could take direct action or arrange an ‘accident’ to silence you ?

 

[Bagpipes]

Well, if people have information and are afraid to talk to the police that then shows the calibre of the perpetrator.
It's not just a nobody boyfriend on the side who lost control.
It's not just some random psychopath that recently appeared in York.
It's someone who has lived in York for a considerable time, who's name and reputation are well known. Why else would people be frightened?
By reputation I don't necessarily mean criminal activity, more about connections.
More about someone who is understood not to take any nonsense. Someone who wields some authority in certain circles.
Basically someone not to be messed with.
You would need to know the lifestyles and dynamics of the 4 POI to narrow it down.

 

[Popejohn3]

Kristin Smart: 'Prime suspect' Paul Flores and his father arrested after breakthrough in 1996 missing student cold case
this seems similar to our case

 

[Blonderabbit]

Well, if people have information and are afraid to talk to the police that then shows the calibre of the perpetrator.
It's not just a nobody boyfriend on the side who lost control.
It's not just some random psychopath that recently appeared in York.
It's someone who has lived in York for a considerable time, who's name and reputation are well known. Why else would people be frightened?
By reputation I don't necessarily mean criminal activity, more about connections.
More about someone who is understood not to take any nonsense. Someone who wields some authority in certain circles.
Basically someone not to be messed with.
You would need to know the lifestyles and dynamics of the 4 POI to narrow it down.

I’m not sure where you are going - if you’re talking the 4 it’s clear as we all know who pulls the strings. There’s a choice here - wait around for it to fall into the lap of the police or find out who owns the car in front of the suv - what is this car and who is the man getting into it at 9.01pm on the 18th as the bus passes

 

[Bagpipes]

I’m not sure where you are going - if you’re talking the 4 it’s clear as we all know who pulls the strings. There’s a choice here - wait around for it to fall into the lap of the police or find out who owns the car in front of the suv - what is this car and who is the man getting into it at 9.01pm on the 18th as the bus passes

I can only assume, by option 2, that you have the owner of the car in front of the SUV pegged as the perpetrator. What brings you to that conclusion?

 

[Blonderabbit]

I can only assume, by option 2, that you have the owner of the car in front of the SUV pegged as the perpetrator. What brings you to that conclusion?

Do not assume. There’s no conclusion. Indications are the man in the footage is significant - it’s difficult to disclose my reasons on this forum, however I do feel the car and the person is a big piece of the puzzle.

 

[Bagpipes]

Do not assume. There’s no conclusion. Indications are the man in the footage is significant - it’s difficult to disclose my reasons on this forum, however I do feel the car and the person is a big piece of the puzzle.

You insinuated that the police are incompetent and the alternative method to get to the bottom of it all is to find the owner of the car, I'm more than happy to be corrected if I have misunderstood you.
If someone posts riddles it's left open to assumption.