UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #16

[MrsWatson]

What does Claudia's preferred table etiquette have to do with her disappearance?

 

[OllyInTheTrolley]

What does Claudia's preferred table etiquette have to do with her disappearance?

Because she left a fork on the left side of her dishes so "clearly" she must of had a visitor because no right handed person ever used their left hand.

 

[ArcadeFire]

Absolutely nothing. This is where webslueths can veer into the realms of fantasy a bit…!

 

[ArcadeFire]

Following this case closely and signed up here as it is very local to me, I fished the gravel pits weekly for years, worked at monk bar hotel at the same time as and knew CL, knocked around heworth and the pubs there when I was younger. Its interesting to read both on social media and the news updates and info but there are so many inaccuracies posted about the gravel pits relative to size and layout. I will chip in where I can help with local knowledge and hope the current activity turns up answers to Yorks biggest mystery.

It’s always of most fascination to me when someone encounters CL in real life. Can you please say as much details as you remember about her. People said she was shy initially, was this accurate? What else can you tell us about Claudia the person ?!

 

[ArcadeFire]

First time poster but avidly interested in this case and have read many of these previous threads.

My interest lies in the fact that I'm fairly local to the area and am the same age as Claudia. I didn't know her but have friends/relatives who did slightly, in her younger days. People recall her as being friendly and fun.

I believe whatever happened to her happened very shortly after speaking to her mother, and it happened at home, and her body removed. I believe she received a visitor who she opened the door to, this being someone she knew. He either meant to cause her harm from the off, or it was a crime of passion in the moment. Her body was then removed via the back alley and Nags head car park, possibly with the help of others. The house was staged to make it look as if she'd gone to work the following morning. Their success in covering up I believe was down to luck more than anything else, as I doubt these were professional criminals.

I feel this case has huge similarities with the Joanna Yeates case. She was strangled in her own home by someone she knew - albeit very slightly, and her home did not show signs of any struggle. It was only because her body was found so quickly that the perpetrator was discovered.

If she'd gone out the evening before, after speaking to her mum, there would be some evidence to show that - CCTV / witnesses. Likewise if she'd set off for work as normal the following morning.

I dearly hope the police find something in these searches and that the info that has taken them there is credible. So sad that her father died this year without knowing what happened to her.

As I’ve just put a similar post you say you didn’t k is Claudia bit some friends of yours did vaguely what did they say about Claudia as person, everything you can remember? I’d be fascinated to hear from someone who by a process of separation of 1 did know her please ?

 

[FreddieDogg]

I don’t think the house or the breakfast dishes or the toothbrush has anything to do with Claudia going missing, I think she was grabbed on the way to work and bundled in the car.

 

[Pinkizzy]

I think that's an older generation thing. My mum is left handed and in her 70s and she vividly remembers being punished for it and the constant authoritatian need for correction. I am in my 40s and no-one,school or otherwise has ever tried to correct the way I hold my cutlery.

I suggest that Claudia used a fork in her right hand, placed it in the bowl and then rotated the bowl by 180 degs to rest on the left.

 

[FreddieDogg]

The longer this search goes on with no news the more I think the police have found nothing of interest.

 

[shadwell]

I’m going to bite re ‘handedness’ - not because of the fork position (it could have slid round), but because of the way the toothbrush is sitting on the drainer.

 

[Kaykedi]

I don’t think the house or the breakfast dishes or the toothbrush has anything to do with Claudia going missing, I think she was grabbed on the way to work and bundled in the car.

What makes you think this FreddyDogg?

 

[shadwell]

Are there any photos of CL holding a drink (in the NH?) that might help to elucidate this?

 

[FreddieDogg]

I’m going to bite re ‘handedness’ - not because of the fork position (it could have slid round), but because of the way the toothbrush is sitting on the drainer.
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Going by that, she’s definitely had Spaghetti Carbonara with a side plate of cheesy garlic bread then cleaned her teeth at the sink!

 

[FreddieDogg]

What makes you think this FreddyDogg?

No DNA evidence other than Claudia’s found at the house?

 

[Kaykedi]

No DNA evidence other than Claudia’s found at the house?

Thank you

 

[shadwell]

No DNA evidence other than Claudia’s found at the house?

Is that known or is it supposition?

 

[outrider]

No DNA evidence other than Claudia’s found at the house?

There are both unidentified dna and partial fingerprints found in Claudia's house Forensic re-examination theory

 

[Sillybilly]

No DNA evidence other than Claudia’s found at the house?

If that is a question, it's fine. If you are stating it as fact, we need a link to support.

ETA: Either way, outrider has provided a link.

 

[Popejohn3]

There are both unidentified dna and partial fingerprints found in Claudia's house Forensic re-examination theory

Was there ever an attempt made to remove finger prints ?
Why partial finger prints ? Are we talking of historical fingerprints ? IE objects cleaned but not that well ?

 

[Grouse]

I’m going to bite re ‘handedness’ - not because of the fork position (it could have slid round), but because of the way the toothbrush is sitting on the drainer.
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I asked about this picture before. Can anyone clarify where it actually came from? Is it actually the scene as found by LE, or is it a still from a TV reconstruction?

 

[Blonderabbit]

First time poster but avidly interested in this case and have read many of these previous threads.

My interest lies in the fact that I'm fairly local to the area and am the same age as Claudia. I didn't know her but have friends/relatives who did slightly, in her younger days. People recall her as being friendly and fun.

I believe whatever happened to her happened very shortly after speaking to her mother, and it happened at home, and her body removed. I believe she received a visitor who she opened the door to, this being someone she knew. He either meant to cause her harm from the off, or it was a crime of passion in the moment. Her body was then removed via the back alley and Nags head car park, possibly with the help of others. The house was staged to make it look as if she'd gone to work the following morning. Their success in covering up I believe was down to luck more than anything else, as I doubt these were professional criminals.

I feel this case has huge similarities with the Joanna Yeates case. She was strangled in her own home by someone she knew - albeit very slightly, and her home did not show signs of any struggle. It was only because her body was found so quickly that the perpetrator was discovered.

If she'd gone out the evening before, after speaking to her mum, there would be some evidence to show that - CCTV / witnesses. Likewise if she'd set off for work as normal the following morning.

I dearly hope the police find something in these searches and that the info that has taken them there is credible. So sad that her father died this year without knowing what happened to her.

Good post and in a nutshell it’s a very real
Possibility. My issue is to think to remove the rucksack and make it look as if she went to work
Is cunning - I just find it a deal breaker - I can’t see anyone having the level of detail for a first offence. It also brings into
Question alleyway man - was he checking the rear - making sure everything was in place ? Why did he revisit in the morning? Why did (possibly AC) stand outside in full view in the morning? Does it mean - George , Jk, SC, the nags four and many others are co conspirators ? You’d then think it was all planned - why hasn’t someone come forward?