UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #16

[Nikynoo]

My theory is that she was at her home on the night of the 18th and that night / afternoon she possibly had a female guest

I think this due to the hair dye, and that there was a whole bottle of brown dye, peroxide , powder AND a highlight kit. In the linked article it states that Claudia would touch up her hair with a chestnut dye between visits. I wonder did she put the brown dye on her own hair and whilst she was waiting for that, she used the blonde and highlights on someone else, as this seems way too much to put on one person's hair especially as Claudia did not appear to have very long or thick hair- thus the wineglass in the sink and meaning the pint glasses may belonged to Claudia as in pictures she always seems to be holding a pint of cider

Just my own opinion, sorry if this has already been said this is my first post on here

Hair straighteners missing

Missing chef Claudia no longer blonde

Thats along the same lines as I am thinking.

 

[HCcoffee]

There’s a problem with that thinking. Claudia was single, she had her own house, no lodgers and work in the morning - why would she need or want to go elsewhere - you are also digesting she left unseen - by the back alley perhaps. She doesn’t need to skulk about - she’s single. Left yo elsewhere is a possibility of course, however - the sink - points to a visitor, a couple of drinks and something to eat - maybe supper, maybe breakfast. What I am thinking is - if you are one of the perps - I’d be looking at one another - someone’s got a loose tongue and the cops are on to you - IMO (of course )

Are you suggesting that single people never go anywhere but home in an evening? I think it's far more likely a single person going out to be with someone else than it is someone part of a couple. Young, single people hook up with others all of the time - even with work in the morning. We have reason to believe that CL had an active social/love life (which I have no problem with, btw) so feel it's perfectly reasonable that she might have been entertaining at home and then left with that person. Maybe they lived closer to her work. Maybe they had booze at theirs and CL had run out. Maybe they were out of condoms. Who knows, but plenty of reasons to decamp to another house if you're young and in love and having a good time.

We also didn't see anyone else on the CCTV so by the above assumption of yours, do you mean the only way anyone went in/out was via the alleyway?

I was about to say... what does her being single have to do with that theory? If anything it makes it more likely she'd be spontaneous and leave to hang out with a friend or lover at their place if they decided on that for whatever reason. They may have suggested going back to theirs instead and, knowing she'd probably spend the night, took her hair straighteners with her so she could use them and be ready for work that morning? If that's the case it does give more credence to this being a male she left with, as it's more likely a female would already have a pair. (I know it's a big generalisation but... a fairly valid one ) It also makes you wonder if it's the same person on CCTV coming back later to stage the scene? Just a thought.

 

[Blonderabbit]

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Are you suggesting that single people never go anywhere but home in an evening? I think it's far more likely a single person going out to be with someone else than it is someone part of a couple. Young, single people hook up with others all of the time - even with work in the morning. We have reason to believe that CL had an active social/love life (which I have no problem with, btw) so feel it's perfectly reasonable that she might have been entertaining at home and then left with that person. Maybe they lived closer to her work. Maybe they had booze at theirs and CL had run out. Maybe they were out of condoms. Who knows, but plenty of reasons to decamp to another house if you're young and in love and having a good time.

We also didn't see anyone else on the CCTV so by the above assumption of yours, do you mean the only way anyone went in/out was via the alleyway?

agree totally, tho given all of the evidence - I think it’s unlikely she left Heworth

 

[Iknowyouknow]

Does anyone have any feeling of guilt towards any of the POI’s that were arrested in particular?
I don’t want to break any rules so I don’t think I can say all my knowledge of the arrested 4 but IMHO I would eat my hat if they weren’t responsible for her disappearance.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I was about to say... what does her being single have to do with that theory? If anything it makes it more likely she'd be spontaneous and leave to hang out with a friend or lover at their place if they decided on that for whatever reason. They may have suggested going back to theirs instead and, knowing she'd probably spend the night, took her hair straighteners with her so she could use them and be ready for work that morning? If that's the case it does give more credence to this being a male she left with, as it's more likely a female would already have a pair. (I know it's a big generalisation but... a fairly valid one ) It also makes you wonder if it's the same person on CCTV coming back later to stage the scene? Just a thought.

Can you imagine yourself - you’ve just killed someone and the clock is running - “ o I know what I will do go to her house and set the scene???”

 

[Blonderabbit]

Does anyone have any feeling of guilt towards any of the POI’s that were arrested in particular?
I don’t want to break any rules so I don’t think I can say all my knowledge of the arrested 4 but IMHO I would eat my hat if they weren’t responsible for her disappearance.

We’re guilty or we’re not guilty?

 

[AerieFaerie]

I’ve been thinking a bit about CL’s phone. We know it was deliberately turned off at 12.10. (Claudias moile phone is switched off) This seems like a big gap for the perpetrator to hold onto the phone and just leave it on if the crime was committed the night before.

 

[Blonderabbit]

We’re guilty or we’re not guilty?

We’re guilty or we’re not guilty?

if you take everything into account - all the factual evidence - released by the police - 1 of the four is a few furlongs in front

 

[Blonderabbit]

I’ve been thinking a bit about CL’s phone. We know it was deliberately turned off at 12.10. (Claudias moile phone is switched off) This seems like a big gap for the perpetrator to hold onto the phone and just leave it on if the crime was committed the night before.

It’s not guaranteed to have been turned off - it wasn’t smashed or thrown in a river /gravel
Pit - it could have run out of charge also

 

[Popejohn3]

I doubt that CL made it home on the 18th. Her last sighting was at 3.05 pm and was probably given a lift by her lover where she was seen last. Her dirty dishes in the sink were probably from the St Patrick's night out.

The police have ( I believe) a cctv clip of someone going INTO Claudia’s house but although the picture is not clear, it fits in with the time Claudia is supposed to have returned home !

 

[Bagpipes]

It's been a week now and no major breakthrough, or so it would seem. Suggesting the tip off has come from a third party in good faith or someone has deliberately set the police off on a wild goose chase. Assuming that the police are acting on a tip off rather than something found during the survey.

If the searches are based on something found during the survey and nothing more has been found then my gut feeling is that 'something' is thought to have belonged to Claudia. My money is on the backpack as I reckon a multitude of phones will have been thrown into the Lakes. I think the backpack and claudia parted ways long before the backpack was disposed of. JMOO

 

[AerieFaerie]

It’s not guaranteed to have been turned off - it wasn’t smashed or thrown in a river /gravel
Pit - it could have run out of charge also

Quite possibly, but that’s an odd time to do that too - literally the middle of the day! The police have also consistently and clearly said it was deliberately turned off. I believe that’s a different type of cell ping to it running out of charge.

 

[AerieFaerie]

The police have ( I believe) a cctv clip of someone going INTO Claudia’s house but although the picture is not clear, it fits in with the time Claudia is supposed to have returned home !

Really?! From a house camera opposite? Would love to know how you heard this!

 

[Blonderabbit]

Quite possibly, but that’s an odd time to do that too - literally the middle of the day! The police have also consistently and clearly said it was deliberately turned off. I believe that’s a different type of cell ping to it running out of charge.

When the phone runs out of charge or is turned off - it sends a signal to say it’s being powered down. If someone smashes it or throws it into water it just ceases to be on the network

 

[JosieJo]

Are you suggesting that single people never go anywhere but home in an evening? I think it's far more likely a single person going out to be with someone else than it is someone part of a couple. Young, single people hook up with others all of the time - even with work in the morning. We have reason to believe that CL had an active social/love life (which I have no problem with, btw) so feel it's perfectly reasonable that she might have been entertaining at home and then left with that person. Maybe they lived closer to her work. Maybe they had booze at theirs and CL had run out. Maybe they were out of condoms. Who knows, but plenty of reasons to decamp to another house if you're young and in love and having a good time.

We also didn't see anyone else on the CCTV so by the above assumption of yours, do you mean the only way anyone went in/out was via the alleyway?

I agree just because you are single and live alone doesn't necessarily mean you do not go elsewhere to stay over.

The dishes in theory could be all hers from different drinks and meals it's impossible to say

 

[AerieFaerie]

When the phone runs out of charge or is turned off - it sends a signal to say it’s being powered down. If someone smashes it or throws it into water it just ceases to be on the network

Then we can rule out the latter if we are to believe the police!

 

[Blonderabbit]

Quite possibly, but that’s an odd time to do that too - literally the middle of the day! The police have also consistently and clearly said it was deliberately turned off. I believe that’s a different type of cell ping to it running out of charge.

Reading through the case - she went out with a new boyfriend snd had a very late night on the 17th - so an educated guess is she didn’t charge her phone. 18th she arrives at work looking tired according to D.O. So still not charged uses at work, goes home on the 18th, thinking she would charge it overnight - something happens - it’s not charged and it runs out of charge probably in her pocket at 12.10pm

 

[tigerowl]

The media reports all say 'deliberately turned off'. Not 'ran out of charge' or 'lost signal' or 'ceased to ping'.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I agree just because you are single and live alone doesn't necessarily mean you do not go elsewhere to stay over.

The dishes in theory could be all hers from different drinks and meals it's impossible to say I’m looking at three possibilities 1 being she went elsewhere - when you evaluate it looking at the evidence and the bits the police have drawn attention to - I don’t think it’s likely she left Heworth alive

 

[Vixey]

The media reports all say 'deliberately turned off'. Not 'ran out of charge' or 'lost signal' or 'ceased to ping'.

So someone kept her phone rather than destroy? The phone would show how long it sat on the last mast prior.Was it said how many masts were in the 9 mile radius within the triangulation and how many masts pinged after her last call at home was taken?