UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #16

[AerieFaerie]

Sorry I think you misread what I meant .. the Photo I posted was said to be from the footage of Cluadia leaving the uni on the 18th from the Goodricke main entrance.
The police later confirmed that Caudia was not the female in the highlighted circle but she is the females at the top of the photo waking right to left there is a portly male following her and police asked who is this male?
Could you look again at the direction claudia is walking in relation to you map of the Uni please

In respect of the foyer photo. Would this particular foyer entrance give Claudia easy access to the Canteen.
Would this foyer entrance be used by Claudia if she wanted to be discreetly dropped off by someone in the morning without being seen?

Going through that foyer is the obvious way if she’s on foot. It’s the main thoroughfare from Roger Kirk to the rest of campus. The biology car parks would be a bit more discreet than the James car parks I guess, but it would really depend who you’re avoiding. Both are very overlooked and open.

 

[Woodburnbay]

Is the posting of illegal goods in a letterbox possibly one of the easiest ways to distribute
if someone in Royal Mail is in the chain?

IMO

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Can you imagine yourself - you’ve just killed someone and the clock is running - “ o I know what I will do go to her house and set the scene???”

You would go back if you had left something or dropped something or to wipe fingerprints etc...........anything at all that after the fact, made you think there was something that could identify you as being in the house.

The DCI at the time, I think Mallon? Was assuming that CL would have always had a charged phone, as she was a prolific user. I think this may be what BR is hinting at.

We don't actually know whether the police already have the phone or not. We also don't know if the last text that she sent was answered, or if the phone was kept on by the perpetrator who was waiting for a reply to come through. What we do know is that between the evening and the morning [afternoon] in question, her phone only pinged off the one mast.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

I can confirm that Cold Case did confirm to me that Claudia was caught on the camera opposite her house returning home after work on Weds 18th.

And that same camera should have recorded all goings in and outs via the front door.

 

[Novosti]

From what we know of her personality and history, it seems like she was sometimes in the company of men whose sources of income weren't whiter than white. And she appears to have been attracted to those sort of men. That said, there are no credible public reports of any of those men having been involved in very serious organised crime, involving violence. So more "rogues" than devils.

As to whether Claudia herself got involved in murkier financial business, this seems unlikely to me. Her personality seemed too shy, and generally uninterested in such things. And whilst exactly how she acquired the house hasn't obviously been explained, her lifestyle did not appear to be awash with cash by any means (e.g. struggling to afford Cyprus holidays, compared to Balearics etc.)

Round-the-clock protection seems completely implausible. Even the police struggle to do this effectively with potential victims. And it's monstrously expensive.

Being followed by a potential assailant is much more plausible. And the Heworth Place videos are at least suggestive of that, along with other sightings outside of her home.

I can't comment on the details but basically I suspect that keep it real is right....hello again kir.
summat was definitely going on....I think claudia was involved in something, but she could also be. blinkered and. naive....I think she. was being either protected or followed or possibly both

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Sure, but the timing is still interesting. If we accept, for arguments sake, that the phone was deliberately switched off, why did it take so long? Did the perp only notice the phone was still on a while later? It’s just an intriguing timeline.

Waiting for the last text sent to be answered?

 

[keep-it-real]

Really interesting. When you say protected so you mean the red van in the university car park and the similar or same van at Melrosegate that may have been following her?

The footage at Melrosegate shops is very difficult to analysis. A bg chunk of it is edited. Various vehicles appear to pass and arrive some obvious some not so obvious. Where some are just passing traffic others obviously have more relevence. I have spent hours on the footage and to me there is some sort of incident that happens there involving a number of people and vehicles. Which vehicles are invloved in the incident or stop because of it is not clear.

I did make note that on one of the Getty Images website videos the owner of Melrosegate Mini market appeared to be recovering from a swollen right eye. Wether this could be an incident targeting the shop or an incident targeting people outside of the shop is not clear so Im keeping an open mind.

These are my opinions only.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

You would go back if you had left something or dropped something or to wipe fingerprints etc...........anything at all that after the fact, made you think there was something that could identify you as being in the house.

Or...... you may have returned for her phone after finding it was not in her ruck sack. If she died in the house....... surely cadaver dogs would have picked that up.

 

[AerieFaerie]

Waiting for the last text sent to be answered?

But they didn’t? No other text came through. Personally, I think it speaks to panic and a lack of organisation and preparation. An “oh s***, her phone!” moment when the missed calls from work were seen.

 

[Woodburnbay]

I think trouble was a foot and she knew it. Wether she had been to police with her concerns or she had confided the fact to someone she was loyal to on the wrong side of the law (which in my opinion is more likely). She was in my opinion being watched and protected. I believe someone was accompanying her to work and someone was staying at her house wether that was the same person or two people but both were serving the same purpose to protect her. Something major happened on weds outside Melrosegate shops on weds afternoon and that lead to her having to leave Heworth road on Weds.
I dont think things would have taken such an abrupt turn of events if it wasnt for events at the NH on Gold Cup day which bought together a group of hard drinking violent individuals involved in criminal activities around Heworth and beyond. A disagreement between these was the cause of what ensued in the days following and the events of the evening of the 18th.

Peter said when he rang the police on Friday to report Claudia misssing they were round to the house in about 5 minutes. Police just dont turn up that quickly unless they had prior knowledge of a situation that could potentially become a cause for concern.

These are my opinions only.

Was the person that she let into her house a few days prior either a gang member from an opposing gang or was he her protection from others-What side of the law would he be on?

It was said that she let someone in to her house one afternoon and initially she appeared surprised and a little annoyed at their arrival.
She also appeared concerned that someone else may see him-The guy with the fringe.

IMO

 

[Brandysnapblue]

Or...... you may have returned for her phone after finding it was not in her ruck sack. If she died in the house....... surely cadaver dogs would have picked that up.

I'm wrong...... the body has to remain there at least 24 hours for the dogs to pick up the scent.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

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It makes you wonder what kind of thing she could have found out about or got involved in.

 

[Brandysnapblue]

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It makes you wonder what kind of thing she could have found out about or got involved in.

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[keep-it-real]

And that same camera should have recorded all goings in and outs via the front door.

It would be interesting to know how long that camera had been in situ across the road.

Its been said online that it was installed because garden ornaments had been taken. Ive never seen this reason verified has anyone else?

 

[keep-it-real]

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It makes you wonder what kind of thing she could have found out about or got involved in.

Both .. but I see the the trfficking more as cheap/ forced or enslaved use of people.

Note the Manchester connection

but thats just my opinion.

 

[Popejohn3]

You would go back if you had left something or dropped something or to wipe fingerprints etc...........anything at all that after the fact, made you think there was something that could identify you as being in the house.

The police should / would have an indication if fingerprints, where fingerprints should be , have been wiped out .
Ie door handles kettles …

 

[Popejohn3]

Was the person that she let into her house a few days prior either a gang member from an opposing gang or was he her protection from others-What side of the law would he be on?

It was said that she let someone in to her house one afternoon and initially she appeared surprised and a little annoyed at their arrival.
She also appeared concerned that someone else may see him-The guy with the fringe.

IMO

In response to kir quote the woman officer in charge knew her personally and I believe that was the reason they responded so quickly IMO

 

[CuriousCatPI]

Hi - new poster although I have read a significant amount of the threads on CL’s disappearance.

I have a couple of questions about CL’s usual behaviours which I don’t seem to have come across yet but I may have missed:

• CL appeared to mainly use her front door to leave and enter the house; does anyone know if she was known to ever use the back door? It would be useful to know if there were any previous days where she wasn’t captured on any CCTV but did leave the house I.e. to work.
• What was CL’s usual pattern of texting? I know she was a prolific texter but did she usually stop before 9pm? Or would she normally text until later in to the night?

I’ve seen numerous comments about CL being particularly tidy but I recently read that her mum said she wasn’t that meticulous and how CL’s house was left was not usual; it was too tidy and clean. I am trying to source the article where Joan says this.

Finally, I am aware of how CL’s property was financed and whether it was mortgaged. It’s what you would expect and not anything suspicious IMO. I can’t provide a link to this but take from that what you can.

 

[keep-it-real]

Was the person that she let into her house a few days prior either a gang member from an opposing gang or was he her protection from others-What side of the law would he be on?

It was said that she let someone in to her house one afternoon and initially she appeared surprised and a little annoyed at their arrival.
She also appeared concerned that someone else may see him-The guy with the fringe.

IMO

have you looked at their descriptions and compared them with crimianal mug shots?

 

[Teenage Riot]

Claudias last text seemed out of context (12 earlys) suggesting someone had her phone then. There is probably more evidence suggesting to the police one of the perps had her phone.

Was the 12 earlys/no fun for me text to JK the last she sent at 20:23 on the 18th?

I thought that text was sent to SS.