UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #18

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  • #801
Just a thought but Halliwell was a taxi driver so I would think it plausible he was often filling his car enough for a significant journey.
According to the linked article NYP don't think he is linked to claudia though
Murderer Christopher Halliwell and the Claudia Lawrence search
So you’re saying Haliwell is not white jacket man, he’s not alleyway man either - just to be clear? Also that he could never have had any contact with Claudia on the 18th or 19th so there’s no need to mention Haliwell ever again
 
  • #802
Here, sentencing marks at the Sept 2016 trial of Halliwell. Not to be read if you're feeling bad I think, but gives insight into what CH does and how anything he does might tally with what happened with Claudia. 19th March, as has been mentioned seems to be a repeated offending date for CH. I noticed on the Arrin Stoner early morning footage ( I don't know where he go that from - police publicity?) a figure in the far distance and the figure nearer to camera follwoing on the same side of the road. I don't know - maybe Claudia could have been on her way in the morning, but never made it as he followed her? But perhaps then that's also an error. In these other cases CH is in a car. He may identify people on foot and then perhaps reappear in a car? Is that it? How he does it? Perhaps he was working as a taxi driver and therefore took her as if unbooked but then did soemthing terrible? https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/r-v-halliwell-sentencing-remarks.pdf
Whether or not CH is a possible culprit in the Claudia case, it is definitely interesting to read the reasoning behind the verdict.
He would be a good match, if not ...... IMO
 
  • #803
So you’re saying Haliwell is not white jacket man, he’s not alleyway man either - just to be clear? Also that he could never have had any contact with Claudia on the 18th or 19th so there’s no need to mention Haliwell ever again
Diversionary tactics. I thought you were open minded. You don't seem very open to me.
 
  • #804
Diversionary tactics. I thought you were open minded. You don't seem very open to me.
Sorry, I'm confused here, why are we even discussing CH when it was established by the police that he was in hospital at the time of the CL disappearance? Pointless.
 
  • #805
I'll keep pushing my POI until some of you start to consider him. We have a missing woman and a missing bag, plus a phone switched off in Acomb on the 19th. My POI, was someone who has attacked numerous women, from behind, with violence and steals bags and phones. He was living in Acomb at that time, on parole and later reconvicted for two further assaults on women only 2 months later. It has to be a consideration that he stole CL's bag and phone on the morning of 19th on her way to work, he has previous for doing just that. Perhaps CL was fatally hurt, perhaps she was injured and picked up by someone else, there are all sorts of possible scenarios, I just think this guy needs looking at. If you have doubt about his propensity for violence read the report of his first conviction for rape. Can't see a better suspect.
 
  • #806
Here, sentencing marks at the Sept 2016 trial of Halliwell. Not to be read if you're feeling bad I think, but gives insight into what CH does and how anything he does might tally with what happened with Claudia. 19th March, as has been mentioned seems to be a repeated offending date for CH. I noticed on the Arrin Stoner early morning footage ( I don't know where he go that from - police publicity?) a figure in the far distance and the figure nearer to camera follwoing on the same side of the road. I don't know - maybe Claudia could have been on her way in the morning, but never made it as he followed her? But perhaps then that's also an error. In these other cases CH is in a car. He may identify people on foot and then perhaps reappear in a car? Is that it? How he does it? Perhaps he was working as a taxi driver and therefore took her as if unbooked but then did soemthing terrible? https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/r-v-halliwell-sentencing-remarks.pdf
Halliwell was caught with a 'MISSING PERSON' poster in the rear of his TAXI as he aimed to pickup his next victim. A disarming tactic. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/20/article-0-1595384B000005DC-584_634x411.jpg
 
  • #807
Sorry, I'm confused here, why are we even discussing CH when it was established by the police that he was in hospital at the time of the CL disappearance? Pointless.
You might find it pointless but there were witnesses that said they saw CH in York two weeks previous to Claudia's disappearance. Another witness saw him waiting outside Nestle in a car. Another witness said they had seen Claudia asking a taxi driver for change so she could ring her dad. Dai said CH had never been to York I very much doubt that.
CH was due in the hospital as a routine appointment but that he never attended. Which part is fact? I would like to know exactly.
 
  • #808
So you’re saying Haliwell is not white jacket man, he’s not alleyway man either - just to be clear? Also that he could never have had any contact with Claudia on the 18th or 19th so there’s no need to mention Haliwell ever again
Sorry but I don't quite know how you interpreted what I said as that? I pointed out that as a taxi driver it wouldn't be unusual for him to be fuelling a car, and then an article with NYP's opinion about him. Nowhere at all did I say I personally didn't think he was or wasn't involved and nowhere did I say he was or wasn't worth considering.
 
  • #809
Just looked at the Arrin Stoner YouTube piece, forty minutes of my life wasted. One thing I did glean, when the man in black pauses to wait until someone passes he is, in fact, fishing in his pocket, probably to check if he had his keys, nothing sinister in that.
 
  • #810
Sorry, I'm confused here, why are we even discussing CH when it was established by the police that he was in hospital at the time of the CL disappearance? Pointless.
Yes I agree with you suzie that’s what I’ve always thought Haliwell is just a tool for the diversionist along with RC and the new boyfriend, stranger….
 
  • #811
Just looked at the Arrin Stoner YouTube piece, forty minutes of my life wasted. One thing I did glean, when the man in black pauses to wait until someone passes he is, in fact, fishing in his pocket, probably to check if he had his keys, nothing sinister in that.
Or murder weapon
 
  • #812
Yes I agree with you suzie that’s what I’ve always thought Haliwell is just a tool for the diversionist along with RC and the new boyfriend, stranger….
Not quite sure why you insist in calling me Suzie. I am not and never have been a Suzie. If you think I'm SC you are a very bad sleuth. Susie Sixpence thank you.
 
  • #813
Or murder weapon
He'd be a pretty inept murderer fumbling as he did and been seen so easily on CCTV, anyway whatever happened took place the following morning.
 
  • #814
I gave up trying to sleuth but still read things.
Then had an idea lol
So if alleyman was going in his pocket for his phone what would the chances of network providers seeing the actual location activity for that time in general?
Then from numbers provided that might help unravel things & perhaps anyone of interest who crops up could have there fingerprints compared with the unknown ones?
Apologises if this has already been said.
 
  • #815
I'll keep pushing my POI until some of you start to consider him. We have a missing woman and a missing bag, plus a phone switched off in Acomb on the 19th. My POI, was someone who has attacked numerous women, from behind, with violence and steals bags and phones. He was living in Acomb at that time, on parole and later reconvicted for two further assaults on women only 2 months later. It has to be a consideration that he stole CL's bag and phone on the morning of 19th on her way to work, he has previous for doing just that. Perhaps CL was fatally hurt, perhaps she was injured and picked up by someone else, there are all sorts of possible scenarios, I just think this guy needs looking at. If you have doubt about his propensity for violence read the report of his first conviction for rape. Can't see a better suspect.
No one said phone was switched at Acombe !
 
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So you’re saying Haliwell is not white jacket man, he’s not alleyway man either - just to be clear? Also that he could never have had any contact with Claudia on the 18th or 19th so there’s no need to mention Haliwell ever again
Why couldn't CH be Alleyman and be a taxi driver? I don't see how they conflict...The POI mentioned before is also worth looking into. Acomb came from police reports of where the phone was switched off on the 19th. That's why they searched the Acomb pub, which has now changed its name to The Clockhouse - presumably to rid itself of assocatiations? POI stayed at a hostel in Acomb though. He could have hidden a bag or a phone perhaps, but I imagine if he hid a body it wasn't on site there. I posted CH's 'systems' of killing - to pick someone up in a car and force them somewhere, then dispose of the body and come back later to bury and/or burn it in remote areas. Car use would explain the absence of CCTV footage. Unless the police believe the locals know something as they suspect hidden/destroyed CCTV footage or else someone has the phone or bag. The phone and the bag needn't be int he same place, of course. Having finished work and got home, she is more likely to have the phone on her person than the bag with whites and straighteners. Especially if there was a call and she went outside on her phone. This is the only explanation I can think of for no forensics in the house - if she had been there on the evening of the 18th or early on the 19th. Leaving for work then getting in someone's car seems logical - but perhaps someone wanted it to LOOK that way. Particularly if they went back to the house to collect the bag and make it look as if she had gone to work. That makes it look like she was alive on the 19th, and not disappeared on the 18th, through someone luring her out fornt whilst she was on her phone on the evening of the eighteenth.
 
  • #818
No one said phone was switched at Acombe !
The police did. A 'residential address in Acomb.' They perhaps have an address, but no firm method or motive. Or even an identifiable person, if it was a rental address or linked with other people locally (landlords etc.).
 
  • #819
The police did.
I'll keep pushing my POI until some of you start to consider him. We have a missing woman and a missing bag, plus a phone switched off in Acomb on the 19th. My POI, was someone who has attacked numerous women, from behind, with violence and steals bags and phones. He was living in Acomb at that time, on parole and later reconvicted for two further assaults on women only 2 months later. It has to be a consideration that he stole CL's bag and phone on the morning of 19th on her way to work, he has previous for doing just that. Perhaps CL was fatally hurt, perhaps she was injured and picked up by someone else, there are all sorts of possible scenarios, I just think this guy needs looking at. If you have doubt about his propensity for violence read the report of his first conviction for rape. Can't see a better suspect.
I think POI is a possibility, but if he is Alleyman must be unrelated as he's a lot older? If Alleyman is completely unrelated, why has he been such a focus of attention for police? Why did the police make comment about the local community? We have missing information here, although I do find you POI compelling and I'm being pulled in different directions a lot. I think the methods and propensities of offenders do matter too. As far as we know, your POI has not killed. We know CH is definitely a repeat offender who plans his attacks. The POI does not. The POI also seems mostly to attack women very late at night (as in the small hours, rather than just before work), whereas CH does late at night and at early commute-times. It could be there's info about the POI I don't know relating to his attacks, but why the comments about the local community by police? There must also be local possible suspects too.
 
  • #820
The police did. A 'residential address in Acomb.' They perhaps have an address, but no firm method or motive. Or even an identifiable person, if it was a rental address or linked with other people locally (landlords etc.).
The police said her phone had pinged in Acomb in the weeks prior to her dissaperence. Her phone was turned off in a 9 mile sector from the Tockwith mast, this includes most of the top side of York including the university and her home, Acomb might be on the cusp of that arc but by no means the centre of it.
 
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