UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #3

[Angleterre]

Re the name of the Operation
It is really unusual to name a case and then subsequently rename it further down the line
I wouldn’t look into this too much because it’s probably just an administrative decision
The way in which cases are given operational names is not a personal or scientific process
It’s a data database of words that cannot be subject to libel or be a brand name or subject to copyright etc
So each operation is given a name from the database which is the next letter of the alphabet
So C is cabin
If for example I submitted a request today for an operational name, it could be that we were up to Q in the alphabet so it would be named something beginning with the letter Q like operation Quay
Does that make sense? So again there no nefarious reason behind the name of the investigation title operation cabin .

 

[Angleterre]

It’s really interesting that the elderly neighbor said that he saw CL being bundled into a car
Do we know when this was ? Was he referring to a time period prior to her disappearance or at the time of her disappearance?
Do we know what time of day ? The car involved? Description of the person doing it? Male or female? Did CL scream out ? Was it put out in the pres for witnesses to come forward as I can’t believe that the only witness was an elderly gentleman
Did the gentleman see the perpetrator? Has he seen him previously? Was there CCTV? How quickly did the police respond to this sighting?

 

[Angleterre]

Re the subsequent deaths of people aligned to the enquiry
It would take a huge cover up of massive proportions and nerves of steel for all participants to cover up a suspicious death and claim it was natural causes
So for each of those that have since died from the commencement of this investigation, I would not look too much into it
All deaths are a matter of public records and are all kept at the GRO ( general records office) Smedley Hydro Trafalgar road, Southport so details can be obtained at any time

 

[Angleterre]

Do we know if CL has any problems with wives or girlfriends or partners of the men that she was involved with?
Had she been subject to any negativity from anyone because of this prior to her disappearance?
Do we know if she was given an official ‘Osman’ warning ( when the police come into credible intelligence to say that there is a threat of imminent danger/ violence to the person that the warning is issued to)?
Is this a reason to explain why the investigation started straight away?
In my experience it’s very unusual to start an investigation for a missing adult as quickly as this was commenced for the disappearance of CL
It’s unheard of unless prior knowledge was had by authorities that her life was under threat or maybe because the elderly neighbour had already previously reported the incident whereby CL was bundled into a car......

 

[MajorLang]

Re the name of the Operation
It is really unusual to name a case and then subsequently rename it further down the line
I wouldn’t look into this too much because it’s probably just an administrative decision
The way in which cases are given operational names is not a personal or scientific process
It’s a data database of words that cannot be subject to libel or be a brand name or subject to copyright etc
So each operation is given a name from the database which is the next letter of the alphabet
So C is cabin
If for example I submitted a request today for an operational name, it could be that we were up to Q in the alphabet so it would be named something beginning with the letter Q like operation Quay
Does that make sense? So again there no nefarious reason behind the name of the investigation title operation cabin .

Thanks @Angleterre Its great to have someone with your knowledge on board and I have already updated my Blog based upon what you have just told me so as to correct my assumptions.

 

[Angleterre]

Re Crimewatch
It’s really quite difficult to get CW out and involved with an investigation immediately
The speed at which this happened is unheard of coupled with the fact that technically it didn’t fit their set criteria to include it in their broadcast. As you can imagine, there are 43 police forces in England and Wales ( NI and Scotland are independent of us) and CW are limited as to how many cases they include in each monthly program so demand is high. On top of this they apply very strict criteria in order to meet to get on the program and that includes having no viable leads or persons of interest or having a person of interest but not being able to progress that without the public’s help. Furthermore, some forces do not generally partake in CW and are not a user of the program as they don’t want to add to the perceived fear of crime in that area so they abstain to ensure that this doesn’t happen . I don’t know if NYP usually make use of CW or if this was a one off ?

 

[MajorLang]

Majorlang is the glue that is holding this thread together !
Sometimes we all get caught in the stream of things but since we’ve got to keep it flowing we come in a bit too soon.
People can loose interest you see.
This bit is for MajorLang : re food on dirty dishes...a lab can tell you what and how old the food was.This would have been done to match food found in the stomach in the future ?
The argument might have started in the car if fearing for your life work does not come into it.
I wish Angleterre contributed here more often...we need her / his expertise

@Popejohn3 Thats kind of you to say of me but there are many people on this Thread who were here before me and provide excellent comments and knowledge-Some come and some go, some perhaps only have time to comment as they can and others are contributing to multiple threads.
I am fortunate because I currently have time and I am only focused on this thread and not others.

For example @Yozzer knows far more than I ever will do and often like @moonsafari who provided the excellent insider account of the Nags Head. Both keep me right.

My Blog is there to form as far as possible as complete record of the case, we discuss many important issues and sometimes even forget them, go over the same ground or when the thread gets too long it gets split into a new thread-I particularly find the thread splitting rather annoying and would prefer in future if it wasn't.

So in summary, I have only achieved the Blog through the help of many other Sleuths.

Regarding the dishes in sink-Perhaps @Angleterre can comment on this-I personally doubt that you can age any food and pinpoint within days, particularly if she had rinsed the dishes?

 

[MajorLang]

Re the subsequent deaths of people aligned to the enquiry
It would take a huge cover up of massive proportions and nerves of steel for all participants to cover up a suspicious death and claim it was natural causes
So for each of those that have since died from the commencement of this investigation, I would not look too much into it
All deaths are a matter of public records and are all kept at the GRO ( general records office) Smedley Hydro Trafalgar road, Southport so details can be obtained at any time

Unless "Dark Forces" were involved

 

[Angleterre]

@Popejohn3 Thats kind of you to say of me but there are many people on this Thread who were here before me and provide excellent comments and knowledge-Some come and some go, some perhaps only have time to comment as they can and others are contributing to multiple threads.
I am fortunate because I currently have time and I am only focused on this thread and not others.

For example @Yozzer knows far more than I ever will do and often like @moonsafari who provided the excellent insider account of the Nags Head. Both keep me right.

My Blog is there to form as far as possible as complete record of the case, we discuss many important issues and sometimes even forget them, go over the same ground or when the thread gets too long it gets split into a new thread-I particularly find the thread splitting rather annoying and would prefer in future if it wasn't.

So in summary, I have only achieved the Blog through the help of many other Sleuths.

Regarding the dishes in sink-Perhaps @Angleterre can comment on this-I personally doubt that you can age any food and pinpoint within days, particularly if she had rinsed the dishes?

No you couldn’t do that, you are correct.
At a post mortem, you can age the stomach content through digestion but that’s the only real time that you can age food scientifically.

 

[Angleterre]

Unless "Dark Forces" were involved

Can you elaborate via private conversation?
I’m very open minded if there is provenance.

 

[MajorLang]

Do we know if CL has any problems with wives or girlfriends or partners of the men that she was involved with?
Had she been subject to any negativity from anyone because of this prior to her disappearance?
Do we know if she was given an official ‘Osman’ warning ( when the police come into credible intelligence to say that there is a threat of imminent danger/ violence to the person that the warning is issued to)?
Is this a reason to explain why the investigation started straight away?
In my experience it’s very unusual to start an investigation for a missing adult as quickly as this was commenced for the disappearance of CL
It’s unheard of unless prior knowledge was had by authorities that her life was under threat or maybe because the elderly neighbour had already previously reported the incident whereby CL was bundled into a car......

There was no evidence of Claudia being at risk or having given an "Osman" warning. I have mentioned that she may have fell out with a female friend as recently as that week, hence her avoiding the Nags head.

 

[Angleterre]

Do we know if a mass DNA screening was considered or undertaken in the local area ?

 

[Angleterre]

How do we know about the mattress and the sheet being removed and replaced from the NH
Has there been any explanation given as to why this happened?
Were they recovered?
Were they subject to crime scene analysis?

 

[Angleterre]

There’s mention somewhere in the thread that CL May have been seeing/involved with a police officer
Was this a local NYP police officer? Was he ever identified? Do we have any idea what rank he was /is?

 

[Angleterre]

Was CL mobile phone ever recovered?
Was a mast triangulation ever done that we are aware of?
Do we know if the investigation team looked into all the users of mobile phones in the immediate area that she disappeared from by using the data from the nearby mast ?

 

[Angleterre]

Re the sighting of the person/s in and around CL garden
Were they identified?
Is it known what they were doing?
What was all around CL house in 2009 and what suggestions have been made as to what they may have been doing?

 

[Angleterre]

Is it known at all if CL was a recreational drug user ?

 

[Angleterre]

Do we know if CL ever undertook work or worked as an escort or what could reasonably be construed as such ? This is a legitimate question and not an accusation or victim blaming or casting aspersions on her character- it’s based upon the number of men immediately involved with CL around the time of her disappearance

 

[MajorLang]

Do we know if a mass DNA screening was considered or undertaken in the local area ?

We know that there was significant DNA familial testing once Dai Malyn became involved but dont have knowledge of mass screenings in area

 

[MajorLang]

There’s mention somewhere in the thread that CL May have been seeing/involved with a police officer
Was this a local NYP police officer? Was he ever identified? Do we have any idea what rank he was /is?

She was seeing a police officer at another local Pub next door to the Acomb police station. The Carlton Arms. Dont know who they were or rank.