UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #4

[Deleted member 219975]

Claudia Lawrence information ‘may be being held back’, say police investigating disappearance

Dai Malyn: 18/03/2019
“The call we really want is the one that helps piece together the parts of the jigsaw we already know regarding her last movements and people she associated with and places frequented,” he added.

Is that copper talk for we havnt a clue guv???

 

[Deleted member 219975]

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u cant enhance past what the pixels will let u( u can sort of but it becomes predictive infill rather like ur predictive text on ur phone and we all know what that's like!) ,,csi Miami does lie sometimes zooming in on a car reg plate from 2 miles away lol.....I question the 2 people "seen" in the video.. the blond to the right just seems to be the car rear light and some distortion in the vid picture as is the person to the left.Look at the house windows u will see the distortion caused there and to be stood where ones thought too be the house door would have to be open...like others I ask wheres the footage from the camera on the building to the right.my guess is there isn't any or whats the point of releasing a less clear view from further back when u want to id the guy??

don't u just wish csi was real and u could zoom in on the reflection of the guy in the house window..they do it just the same on NCIS...mind u in back to the future they travel in time when they reach 88 miles an hour...all I got was a speeding ticket lol

 

[MajorLang]

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u cant enhance past what the pixels will let u( u can sort of but it becomes predictive infill rather like ur predictive text on ur phone and we all know what that's like!) ,,csi Miami does lie sometimes zooming in on a car reg plate from 2 miles away lol.....I question the 2 people "seen" in the video.. the blond to the right just seems to be the car rear light and some distortion in the vid picture as is the person to the left.Look at the house windows u will see the distortion caused there and to be stood where ones thought too be the house door would have to be open...like others I ask wheres the footage from the camera on the building to the right.my guess is there isn't any or whats the point of releasing a less clear view from further back when u want to id the guy??

You have not posted a clear picture here of the blonde and that is why @MissMarple cant see it either and what you are saying is that it is the car lights-why would the rear lights of this car that parks there all night be on?

 

[MajorLang]

I don't see a person in the Vauxhall image. I only see the rear lights.

Have you watched the CCTV footage where you will see the person

 

[Deleted member 219975]

You have not posted a clear picture here of the blonde and that is why @MissMarple cant see it either and what you are saying is that it is the car lights-why would the rear lights of this car that parks there all night be on?

they arnt on (they are reflective though) they are just big wrap round lights...there is no person by the car all u are seeing is the rear light and distorted cctv footage...its low light and the cameras don't work as well simple as that...ive watched the whole footage....like a cryptologist who is studying the zodiac killer told me be careful as after a while u see what u want to see not whats there! I personally cant see the two u mention only cctv distortions and why wouldn't the police highlight them as wanting to know who they were?

 

[Deleted member 219975]

if I started saying what about the face at the window I bet someone will see it

 

[Yozzer]

if I started saying what about the face at the window I bet someone will see it

Harsh but probably fair

 

[Deleted member 219975]

didn't mean to be harsh sorry...the figure walking is a clear as day..why wouldn't someone closer to the camera be as clear if not more so???

 

[MajorLang]

Harsh but probably fair

What do you put the flashing hazards down to then?

 

[MajorLang]

didn't mean to be harsh sorry...the figure walking is a clear as day..why wouldn't someone closer to the camera be as clear if not more so???

Because they are partially obscured.

 

[Yozzer]

What do you put the flashing hazards down to then?

Likely a vehicle parked up on Heworth Road.

 

[Yozzer]

I have looked at the cctv clips 100s of times (yes really). Does anyone see what I think I can see in the following clip? As the Ford Focus brakes, look at the road/grass verge opposite CLs house. Line your sight up with the road sign on the wall of the corner house on Heworth Place. As the car passes out of sight, I see a figure with a dark top and light trousers. Is it a person getting out of the car or is it the poor quality of the image playing tricks on my mind?

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Ford focus hatchback car - Claudia Lawrence

 

[Popejohn3]

Some reasonable points Major. I sense your mounting frustration.

I think the 'sightings' still have to be kept in mind because either a) they could involve CL with A.N. Other (we just don't know do we?) or b) those people who were sighted/their friends/family could still recognise themselves and come forward as potential witnesses (increasingly unlikely to be identified now though). One problem with that part of York (Melrosegate being one) is the transient nature of students who often move from area to area.

The cold case focused very heavily on the alleyway/Nag's Head/4 suspects. The police 'own' the cctv they have distributed and have their reasons for telling us who they want to focus on. They obviously have a far bigger overview of comings and goings that night/following morning than us and do not want other irrelevant parties to be dragged into a murder enquiry e.g. a male (who could be a minor) standing outside the house in Heworth Road opposite Lime Court waiting for someone. All those houses have been searched and occupants interviewed and presumably cleared.

How about the theory that police know EXACTLY who did it and there is nothing more to be found in the cctv clips available that will assist in his/their arrest/s? I am sure they had many helpful responses to the cctv campaign held in Heworth Place/Lime Court naming the person/s. At least one arrest was evidently made on the back of his identification. But they need hard evidence on those responsible and the 4 arrested suspects have been named in the media so it is down to the public to tell what they know. And unless one of us knows the person/s responsible, I'm not sure how we can do any more.

Just my own thoughts.

Yes !

 

[Deleted member 219975]

I have looked at the cctv clips 100s of times (yes really). Does anyone see what I think I can see in the following clip? As the Ford Focus brakes, look at the road/grass verge opposite CLs house. Line your sight up with the road sign on the wall of the corner house on Heworth Place. As the car passes out of sight, I see a figure with a dark top and light trousers. Is it a person getting out of the car or is it the poor quality of the image playing tricks on my mind?

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Ford focus hatchback car - Claudia Lawrence

I think its distorsion again..at 16/17 seconds u can see the brake light of the car in one of the house windows . the problem with poor cctv is that the longer u watch the more u think u can see.

 

[Popejohn3]

I have looked at the cctv clips 100s of times (yes really). Does anyone see what I think I can see in the following clip? As the Ford Focus brakes, look at the road/grass verge opposite CLs house. Line your sight up with the road sign on the wall of the corner house on Heworth Place. As the car passes out of sight, I see a figure with a dark top and light trousers. Is it a person getting out of the car or is it the poor quality of the image playing tricks on my mind?

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Ford focus hatchback car - Claudia Lawrence

The car is traveling too fast for a planned stop outside Cl house.

 

[Mrs Marple]

I still don't see anything.

 

[MajorLang]

I think its distorsion again..at 16/17 seconds u can see the brake light of the car in one of the house windows . the problem with poor cctv is that the longer u watch the more u think u can see.

Welll that works both ways. The longer you watch the more you see as we have found studying this case for some time.

What you have to do is validate what you see and if it is actually an image of a person or not.

Like Yozzer, I have watched these Videos (Not quite as many times as)
I have looked at camera ranges. I am aware of the types of cameras and why police used the Globe Limes Car Park cameras, which has longer range and shows a wider scene
I have identified their blindspots.

Yes there are more images in the CCTV footage than has been mentioned before.
I can see something that I need to validate in Yozzers sighting.
@rehtnap I have to agree to disagree with you on the Blonde mentioned before as many have also seen this on other media channels and commented before I did.
@Mrs Marple I appreciate that you don't see either images mentioned by @Yozzer or myself.

Like the police are now doing, I would rather include this as a pottential sighting than to dismiss what could be a suspect or even Claudia.

As I have also said before, what is more concerning is that on ALL of the braking car footage.
Either from the Limes side camera on Heworth Road or the Globe Camera in Limes Car Park. The time stamp is removed. Now it may well be that there is not a Time stamp on Heworth Rad Camera but there is on Limes Car Park camera, because they show it when Dark Person walks up the alleyway in the morning.
Again, they dont show it on the same camera for the evening???

What we don't have is footage that we can rely on with confidence that Timestamps the breaking car at 05:42 and that is why I still say based upon likelihood and what myself and others have validated in footage that these figures exist.

 

[MajorLang]

Likely a vehicle parked up on Heworth Road.

This is what I say. Police say that they have checked ENHANCED cctv footage and they believe it not to be a vehicle. But which cctv footage have they checked and from which camera?
@rehtnap This confirms that police can enhance cctv footage which is different to what you have suggested?

 

[MajorLang]

I have looked at the cctv clips 100s of times (yes really). Does anyone see what I think I can see in the following clip? As the Ford Focus brakes, look at the road/grass verge opposite CLs house. Line your sight up with the road sign on the wall of the corner house on Heworth Place. As the car passes out of sight, I see a figure with a dark top and light trousers. Is it a person getting out of the car or is it the poor quality of the image playing tricks on my mind?

(1st clip)
Ford focus hatchback car - Claudia Lawrence

@Yozzer I have studied this sighting further and agree with you. To explain what I have seen for the benefit of @rehtnap and @Mrs Marple There is definitely a car parked up on the grass verge opposite the sight line you mention it is facing in the direction of traffic travel and as the car we know well breaks, what appears to be Claudia gets out of the car parked on the grass verge.
What is important here is that all of the houses in this road have ample drives and also extended driveways that go out to the road. There is no need for someone to park on the verge if visiting one of these houses.

Also there is an element of pixelation going on here to try and obscure the image as it crosses the road from the parked car, either to Claudias house or to meet up with the braking car.
But they can still be seen.

 

[MajorLang]

I have looked at the cctv clips 100s of times (yes really). Does anyone see what I think I can see in the following clip? As the Ford Focus brakes, look at the road/grass verge opposite CLs house. Line your sight up with the road sign on the wall of the corner house on Heworth Place. As the car passes out of sight, I see a figure with a dark top and light trousers. Is it a person getting out of the car or is it the poor quality of the image playing tricks on my mind?

(1st clip)
Ford focus hatchback car - Claudia Lawrence

There is definitely a stationery car there @Yozzer As the braking car approaches it, the wheel hubcaps of the stationery car are seen clearly.
And on the second cctv seen from Limes Place Car Park camera, it can be seen that the braking car pulls out into middle of road or to cross road to Claudias. Perhaps because stationery car is partly on road and causing an obstruction?
CCTV Lime Court St John Uni Clip3


CCTV Lime Court St John Uni Clip3