UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #4

[MajorLang]

Yes but my understanding is that the police have been able to establish from text traffic when the text was received, rather than going by SS's word.
Let's agree to differ

Happy to agree to differ @Yozzer
But-These are all the texts he says he sent.
From these in this article does it mean that he sent the first in at UK time 16:08? (18:08 Cyprus time)
Missing Claudia Lawrence did not come to Cyprus 4 years ago, insist pals

 

[Popejohn3]

It has been mooted on here that there may have been a burner phone but who knows.

Sorry ‘burner’ phone ?

 

[MajorLang]

If the timing of this cctv is correct, the male was seen walking around in the alley at 5.50 on Thursday 19th March 2009
New CCTV released in hunt for Claudia

8 minutes after the silver Ford Focus was seen to break outside her house at 5.42.
Ford focus hatchback car - Claudia Lawrence

This is a compelling case for the Ford driver and the alley man being one and the same person.

Northern Echo have this time wrong @Yozzer

 

[MajorLang]

Sorry ‘burner’ phone ?

A phone that is purchased with no identity attached to it so that the owner can send messages and not be identified-We all have them on here PJ you should get one

 

[Popejohn3]

Yes but my understanding is that the police have been able to establish from text traffic when the text was received, rather than going by SS's word.
Let's agree to differ

I believe ss phone was examined when police went to Cyprus

 

[Popejohn3]

A phone that is purchased with no identity attached to it so that the owner can send messages and not be identified.

That could change things big time

 

[Yozzer]

Happy to agree to differ @Yozzer
But-These are all the texts he says he sent.
From these in this article does it mean that he sent the first in at UK time 16:08? (18:08 Cyprus time)
Missing Claudia Lawrence did not come to Cyprus 4 years ago, insist pals

Agree it's confusing.

 

[Popejohn3]

A phone that is purchased with no identity attached to it so that the owner can send messages and not be identified-We all have them on here PJ you should get one

Hmm...

 

[Yozzer]

Northern Echo have this time wrong @Yozzer

Was the alley visit earlier in the morning? So little about this clip was discussed publicly after the exposure in the papers about it probably being the deceased RC and his family being distressed. Then the police review team focused on the 7pm cctv on the 18th.

In that case, I go back to my previous theory that the Focus driver was MS looking to pick up CL as may have been originally arranged between them.

 

[Popejohn3]

Was the alley visit earlier in the morning? So little about this clip was discussed publicly after the exposure in the papers about it probably being the deceased RC and his family being distressed. Then the police review team focused on the 7pm cctv on the 18th.

In that case, I go back to my previous theory that the Focus driver was MS looking to pick up CL as may have been originally arranged between them.

In which case the shadowy person in not the Ford Focus driver !
But again police are still looking for both

 

[MajorLang]

Was the alley visit earlier in the morning? So little about this clip was discussed publicly after the exposure in the papers about it probably being the deceased RC and his family being distressed. Then the police review team focused on the 7pm cctv on the 18th.

In that case, I go back to my previous theory that the Focus driver was MS looking to pick up CL as may have been originally arranged between them.

Was the alley visit earlier in the morning? So little about this clip was discussed publicly after the exposure in the papers about it probably being the deceased RC and his family being distressed. Then the police review team focused on the 7pm cctv on the 18th.

In that case, I go back to my previous theory that the Focus driver was MS looking to pick up CL as may have been originally arranged between them.

@Yozzer
I have it recorded at 5:07 from previous reports. Originally they thought it was RC at 5:07 but when we examine the images it is the same person as in the night shot.

 

[Yozzer]

In which case the shadowy person in not the Ford Focus driver !
But again police are still looking for both

Sometimes I think NYP are looking for new witnesses to come forward ...you would think there would be cctv from Limes Court to help establish comings and goings, both normal and abnormal, but I did read that the review team had run into problems acquiring cctv as probably it had been taped over (and presumably was not seized by the original police team). Frustrating. So I think Dai Malyn is trying to encourage more witnesses to come forward.

 

[Yozzer]

@Yozzer
I have it recorded at 5:07 from previous reports. Originally they thought it was RC at 5:07 but when we examine the images it is the same person as in the night shot.

I agree but I think the RC discussion (endorsed by comments from NYP at that time) muddied the waters and may even have sent the investigation off course - and looking into 'sightings' elsewhere.

 

[Popejohn3]

I agree but I think the RC discussion (endorsed by comments from NYP at that time) muddied the waters and may even have sent the investigation off course - and looking into 'sightings' elsewhere.

The investigation got too large too quickly as SC said herself...” it was top heavy “ I believe are the words she used .
I’m not convinced this fb / Twitter phenomenal helps the police.
Gollaway himself complained people were dropping hints and clues on social media and not going to police directly.
Somehow the public lost trust in the police .
Perhaps because the police rarely come back to witnesses ?

 

[MajorLang]

The investigation got too large too quickly as SC said herself...” it was top heavy “ I believe are the words she used .
I’m not convinced this fb / Twitter phenomenal helps the police.
Gollaway himself complained people were dropping hints and clues on social media and not going to police directly.
Somehow the public lost trust in the police .
Perhaps because the police rarely come back to witnesses ?

Overall social media helps police and if Claudia had been into it that may have helped.
Policing today is capable of staying abreast of what is said online and clues are left.

Not sure what experience SC has in Policing mind?
Police know who did it.
This case is not a "who done it"

It's a "why done it"

We all need to come to terms with that.

That's why I am working backwards from POIs to unearth the evidence as to do any other is a waste of time and energy.

 

[Popejohn3]

I think the police have all the pieces of the jigsaw but have other pieces from an other jigsaw mixed in .

 

[MajorLang]

I think my able assistant Brodie is close to finding something
She has been digging in this area all day now and she won't let go.

 

[x_caz_x]

I think my able assistant Brodie is close to finding something
She has been digging in this area all day now and she won't let go.

Awww she's gorgeous!

 

[MajorLang]

Awww she's gorgeous!

She had her first intro to other puppy's last week and turned into Brodie-cage fighter Must be the special services training rubbing off onto her

 

[x_caz_x]

I think the police have all the pieces of the jigsaw but have other pieces from an other jigsaw mixed in .

I think you're right @Popejohn3. They just do not have enough evidence to prosecute. Waiting for that one person to step forward. I hope that person does soon. Her parents have the right to answers, even if it's not what they want to hear