UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #4

[Deleted member 102539]

I think the police have all the pieces of the jigsaw but have other pieces from an other jigsaw mixed in .

Do we know of the other jigsaw perhaps?

 

[MajorLang]

Do we know of the other jigsaw perhaps?

I think it would be easy to overcomplicate things by creating a second Jigsaw. This case is quite simple really. It is not a "Who Done It?" The Police would say it is a "Why they Done it?" and if we can find that out we will be much closer to the truth.

It would be too easy to invent new Perps when all of the police hard work and evidence has given us a great head start.

Anyone who wants to invent a new jigsaw then do so but just so everyone knows, im sticking to the one I already have many pieces for and shan't be getting involved in reinventions.

 

[x_caz_x]

I think it would be easy to overcomplicate things by creating a second Jigsaw. This case is quite simple really. It is not a "Who Done It?" The Police would say it is a "Why they Done it?" and if we can find that out we will be much closer to the truth.

It would be too easy to invent new Perps when all of the police hard work and evidence has given us a great head start.

Anyone who wants to invent a new jigsaw then do so but just so everyone knows, im sticking to the one I already have many pieces for and shan't be getting involved in reinventions.

Possible motives as I see it -
1) A jealous rage?
2) An "If I can't have you, no one will"
3) A sexual act gone wrong.

Does anyone else have any others?

 

[MajorLang]

Possible motives as I see it -
1) A jealous rage?
2) An "If I can't have you, no one will"
3) A sexual act gone wrong.

Does anyone else have any others?

Leaving the gang without permission-Had enough and want to get out of whatever?

Didn't get witness protection in time.

"What you are now carrying Claudia and what you want from me will destroy my current relationship and cost me"-Particularly if they already have a divorce settlement or even a very happy family-I would say that at least 2 of POIs had been through a separation and one was from what appeared to be a very strong and long marriage.

"Your carrying on with my Fella and so this is for you (wire from the hair straighteners around the neck and tighten) and my Fella will have to clear the mess up."

 

[x_caz_x]

Leaving the gang without permission-Had enough and want to get out of whatever?

Didn't get witness protection in time.

"What you are now carrying Claudia and what you want from me will destroy my current relationship and cost me"-Particularly if they already have a divorce settlement or even a very happy family-I would say that at least 2 of POIs had been through a separation and one was from what appeared to be a very strong and long marriage.

"Your carrying on with my Fella and so this is for you (wire from the hair straighteners around the neck and tighten) and my Fella will have to clear the mess up."

Hmm, witness protection.... Had not considered that. But protection for knowing what?

The thing with the straighteners has always bothered me and I've often considered reasons for them not being there. GHD straighteners were top of the range and very expensive, so likely to be well cared for.

My thoughts...
Of course it's possible they were used on her, in her home and that's why they were removed.
Possible that someone stole them while legitimately being in Claudia's home.
It's improbable that there was any kind of break in and taken during this time.

I can only think of 3 reasons why Claudia would take them out of the home...
1) You didn't have time to do your hair before you left or had plans straight from work, so took them with you to do in a break etc
2) You lent them to someone
3) You had plans to for someone to do your hair (or plans for you to do anothers hair) straight from work, but not at your home.

 

[MajorLang]

Hmm, witness protection.... Had not considered that. But protection for knowing what?

The thing with the straighteners has always bothered me and I've often considered reasons for them not being there. GHD straighteners were top of the range and very expensive, so likely to be well cared for.

My thoughts...
Of course it's possible they were used on her, in her home and that's why they were removed.
Possible that someone stole them while legitimately being in Claudia's home.
It's improbable that there was any kind of break in and taken during this time.

I can only think of 3 reasons why Claudia would take them out of the home...
1) You didn't have time to do your hair before you left or had plans straight from work, so took them with you to do in a break etc
2) You lent them to someone
3) You had plans to for someone to do your hair (or plans for you to do anothers hair) straight from work, but not at your home.

Good thinking @x_caz_x -Well Number 1 is out as she would have been home that afternoon for 3 and wouldnt be meeting SC until 7-8 that night.

I hadn't thought of the lending to someone. Police did find a pair in a house search of a certain house of a J_K. There is a photo in the media of police removinf a palstic crate and you can see a box of GHD straighteners in it. My only query here is this-If you lent it to someone, they come in a plastic cover and so would you lend them with box and all?

No 3 is quite possible of course also and again it would probably be someone close by.

Would there not be a 4.
You take them out with you as you are staying over with someone and need them in the morning

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think it would be easy to overcomplicate things by creating a second Jigsaw. This case is quite simple really. It is not a "Who Done It?" The Police would say it is a "Why they Done it?" and if we can find that out we will be much closer to the truth.

It would be too easy to invent new Perps when all of the police hard work and evidence has given us a great head start.

Anyone who wants to invent a new jigsaw then do so but just so everyone knows, im sticking to the one I already have many pieces for and shan't be getting involved in reinventions.

IF it had been a certain other jigsaw, I thought, the "story" to that might help the case perhaps. But okay, other pieces of another story would probably confuse, you maybe right.

 

[Popejohn3]

Good thinking @x_caz_x -Well Number 1 is out as she would have been home that afternoon for 3 and wouldnt be meeting SC until 7-8 that night.

I hadn't thought of the lending to someone. Police did find a pair in a house search of a certain house of a J_K. There is a photo in the media of police removinf a palstic crate and you can see a box of GHD straighteners in it. My only query here is this-If you lent it to someone, they come in a plastic cover and so would you lend them with box and all?

No 3 is quite possible of course also and again it would probably be someone close by.

Would there not be a 4.
You take them out with you as you are staying over with someone and need them in the morning

I like no 4 staying in a ‘bachelor ‘flat / hotel .
And Claudia would have used her rug sack as large handbag .God knows what else could have been in that rug sack

 

[x_caz_x]

Good thinking @x_caz_x -Well Number 1 is out as she would have been home that afternoon for 3 and wouldnt be meeting SC until 7-8 that night.

I hadn't thought of the lending to someone. Police did find a pair in a house search of a certain house of a J_K. There is a photo in the media of police removinf a palstic crate and you can see a box of GHD straighteners in it. My only query here is this-If you lent it to someone, they come in a plastic cover and so would you lend them with box and all?

No 3 is quite possible of course also and again it would probably be someone close by.

Would there not be a 4.
You take them out with you as you are staying over with someone and need them in the morning

Absolutely @MajorLang, 4 is possible. I was leaning towards her taking the straighteners with her to work, but if she was intending on going home before meeting up with SC, she wouldn't need them prior to this?
When you look at the images taken of CL leaving work on the 18th March, her rucksack doesn't look full (i.e. with clothes, toiletries etc) so if your theory is correct, she would DEFINITELY have gone home first.
The only thing then that doesn't make sense is the get together with SC, why would you plan this and then go on somewhere else. Especially in the knowledge you had work the following morning and (if it's to be believed), she'd not had a lot (if any) sleep the night before. From what I can gather, meet ups with SC wouldn't have been a quick drink! Surely she would have cancelled this?

I agree it's highly unlikely that the GHD straighteners found at JK's would be hers, for the reasons you state.

 

[x_caz_x]

This would be much more difficult to establish, but I wonder if any toiletries, underwear or make up had been taken?
As she lived on her own, it may not be obvious and she may have kept a small bag of toiletries/other change of clothes in her bag.
If this could be discovered and items were missing, it would lead us to believe that she didn't intend on staying at home that night

 

[MajorLang]

Absolutely @MajorLang, 4 is possible. I was leaning towards her taking the straighteners with her to work, but if she was intending on going home before meeting up with SC, she wouldn't need them prior to this?
When you look at the images taken of CL leaving work on the 18th March, her rucksack doesn't look full (i.e. with clothes, toiletries etc) so if your theory is correct, she would DEFINITELY have gone home first.
The only thing then that doesn't make sense is the get together with SC, why would you plan this and then go on somewhere else. Especially in the knowledge you had work the following morning and (if it's to be believed), she'd not had a lot (if any) sleep the night before. From what I can gather, meet ups with SC wouldn't have been a quick drink! Surely she would have cancelled this?

I agree it's highly unlikely that the GHD straighteners found at JK's would be hers, for the reasons you state.

No her meet with SC was the night of 19th
She was on CCTV afternoon of 18th when you saw her with back pack and went home came out for 15 mins went back home-Never seen again after 3:30 on 18th
Never heard from after 8:20 on 18th after she spoke with her mum.

 

[x_caz_x]

No her meet with SC was the night of 19th
She was on CCTV afternoon of 18th when you saw her with back pack and went home came out for 15 mins went back home-Never seen again after 3:30 on 18th
Never heard from after 8:20 on 18th after she spoke with her mum.

Now I'm confusing myself!
Thanks for clearing that up

 

[MajorLang]

This would be much more difficult to establish, but I wonder if any toiletries, underwear or make up had been taken?
As she lived on her own, it may not be obvious and she may have kept a small bag of toiletries/other change of clothes in her bag.
If this could be discovered and items were missing, it would lead us to believe that she didn't intend on staying at home that night

Toiletries were from Boots that's all we know
Her favourite clothes brand was Next

 

[x_caz_x]

She was on CCTV afternoon of 18th when you saw her with back pack and went home came out for 15 mins went back home-Never seen again after 3:30 on 18th

@MajorLang, I've never seen that evidence. Do you have a link?

 

[Yozzer]

Hmm, witness protection.... Had not considered that. But protection for knowing what?

The thing with the straighteners has always bothered me and I've often considered reasons for them not being there. GHD straighteners were top of the range and very expensive, so likely to be well cared for.

My thoughts...
Of course it's possible they were used on her, in her home and that's why they were removed.
Possible that someone stole them while legitimately being in Claudia's home.
It's improbable that there was any kind of break in and taken during this time.

I can only think of 3 reasons why Claudia would take them out of the home...
1) You didn't have time to do your hair before you left or had plans straight from work, so took them with you to do in a break etc
2) You lent them to someone
3) You had plans to for someone to do your hair (or plans for you to do anothers hair) straight from work, but not at your home.

What if the straighteners were simply still in her backpack from that day (Wednesday) or even from the Tuesday when she would have felt like a wreck from the late night out? She simply hadn't unpacked them.

 

[MajorLang]

She was on CCTV afternoon of 18th when you saw her with back pack and went home came out for 15 mins went back home-Never seen again after 3:30 on 18th

@MajorLang, I've never seen that evidence. Do you have a link?

If you check NYP website it should show this

 

[x_caz_x]

What if the straighteners were simply still in her backpack from that day (Wednesday) or even from the Tuesday when she would have felt like a wreck from the late night out?

That is possible @Yozzer

 

[MajorLang]

If you check NYP website it should show this

Or crimewatch reconstruction

 

[Mrs Marple 2]

Suzy Cooper has just joined the Mystery of Claudia Lawrence Facebook page

 

[MajorLang]

Suzy Cooper has just joined the Mystery of Claudia Lawrence Facebook page

She was always a member of one of groups. Is this a new join or has she joined the one with fewer members run by Paul Crooks