UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #6

[MummyRatcliffe]

But the imagery is still good enough to see if "someone" goes out or in her front door and given that there has been much discussion on here in last 48 hours linking her to walking to work or being seen on Melrosegate bridge. The said camera would have picked this up. No the likelihood is that she left by the rear door in the evening. When Oxer said that on that morning he had decided to take another route and not give her a lift, he actually decided not passing her house when doing so was his quickest route.
Why would anyone do that? In the tv interview he did appear to be searching for inspiration when asked why he didn't offer her a lift that day. Was he just a sado with little life who wanted part of the glory of being associated with knowing something.
Was Claudias lift giving line up provided on a more casual basis:
E,g. Friends or colleagues would drive the same walking route as Claudia and if they saw her offer her a lift and so was her default mode to work walking with a lift by someone she knew stopping when they saw her.
Then we have the latest TV document where Claudias two female friends are having what appears to be a staged discussion about not having to apologise over mistakenly using present or past tense when discussing her. That was odd?
JK in the same programme mentions that if she knew who the murderer or murderers were she would drag them to the nearest police station. But would this be the same if an accident had occurred and it wasn't seen as murder?
I believe that what occurred was a drug induced argument between people who knew Claudia that got out of hand and she met her maker in the Nags Head car park. As one of her friends has said on TV. "I hope she was dead before she hit the ground"
I often wonder, if Claudia had been equally responsible for an argument, things got out of hand and an accident occurred. Would the others involved feel that there had been no wrongdoing on their part and has this allowed them to continue their lives with less guilt? IMO This is where the police appear to be looking and so with all the additional evidence and knowledge they will have from interviews, my tendency is not to get embroiled in discussions about stranger sightings, missing backpack sightings, walking to work or any of the other reported activity that is not substantiated by cctv.

As I have said many times before. This case is unlikely to be a "Who Done it" and for me the "why done it" if you consider the above is now becoming clearer.

The last thing the Perps would want is a dead body to be found with possible traces of drugs as that could just put their little Nags Head operation out of business and those higher up the supply chain would be very angry if this happened and so warnings off and fear of revealing what happened may well also apply to the perpetrators, even if it was an accident.

Finally, if you were not involved in Claudias demise but a friend of the Perps. If you had partaken in the same drugs in the past, might you have empathy with what happened and not want a wrong word said about your friends. Equally, if Police had René wales what they believed had happened to Claudia. Would her Dad want this to come to the media?

This is a fantastic and well thought out post!

I find it very plausible that she went out the back door and into the NH car park and something could have become of her there or inside a car she met there.

But is the CCTV of dark man and light man still relevant? It makes sense that they are still connected to the case in the evening footage, but why again in the morning? To collect her bag? Something incriminating from her house?

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

Very impressive points from you .
But she could have used her back door in the morning surly.
If it was in the evening then the question where did she stay overnight?

The morning back door exit in order to avoid person or persons waiting outside ?
Did this said camera pick up anyone waiting outside her door? Perhaps even knocking on her door ?
I repeat was her green front door visible ALL the time to this said camera ?
Re dark person: many believe he was checking if she was up / in therefore you would also expect him to knock on the door.
Most likely police have a blurry image of this too.

What I took from majors post was that she didn't stay anywhere overnight, she was already gone after her encounter with whoever she met in NH car park

 

[MajorLang]

What I took from majors post was that she didn't stay anywhere overnight, she was already gone after her encounter with whoever she met in NH car park

@MummyRatcliffe I feel that she may well have gone out that night but away from the Nags. If the new boyfriend was also seeing someone else then they may have been trying to avoid the significant other and perhaps drinking in Acomb?
There has been some concern noted recently about the timings stated on the:
1. Braking car
2. Morning Alley Man

If you view the footage, the Alley man is supposed to be sighted on cctv at 05:07 and the Braking car at 05:42. However, the 05:07 cctv appears much lighter then the later 05:42 Braking car.

Are these two pieces of cctv the other way around:

Braking car first at 05:07
Alley man next at 05:42

Was the braking car the boyfriend returning Claudia home after a night at his place or a night out in time for her to get ready for work?
They may have waited outside for her to get ready so that they could then take her onwards to work.

Were some laying in wait for her when she returned?
Did someone spot the mystery boyfriend in the car as their significant other?
Did a row erupt?

I still find it dificult to know what Alley man was doing. Was he Richard Cartwright, did he see something and was this why he was found dead later or was this related or unrelated Drug / money pick up activity?

 

[Yozzer]

But she could have used her back door in the morning surly.
If it was in the evening then the question where did she stay overnight?

If she was drawn into visiting the NH/elsewhere on Wed evening, she may have met her demise in the early hours so would have been disposed of before dawn. Her parents (well mainly JL) refused to buy into the notion that she wasn't tucked in bed by 9.30pm that night but if DO's additional evidence (belatedly revealed in March 2010) tells us anything, it is to imply that working early shifts did not impede her social life in any way.

 

[Popejohn3]

What I took from majors post was that she didn't stay anywhere overnight, she was already gone after her encounter with whoever she met in NH car park

Ok did she leave with bag and all in the evening through back door in order to avoid persons outside her front?
If dead any carpets missing ?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

@MummyRatcliffe I feel that she may well have gone out that night but away from the Nags. If the new boyfriend was also seeing someone else then they may have been trying to avoid the significant other and perhaps drinking in Acomb?
There has been some concern noted recently about the timings stated on the:
1. Braking car
2. Morning Alley Man

If you view the footage, the Alley man is supposed to be sighted on cctv at 05:07 and the Braking car at 05:42. However, the 05:07 cctv appears much lighter then the later 05:42 Braking car.

Are these two pieces of cctv the other way around:

Braking car first at 05:07
Alley man next at 05:42

Was the braking car the boyfriend returning Claudia home after a night at his place or a night out in time for her to get ready for work?
They may have waited outside for her to get ready so that they could then take her onwards to work.

Were some laying in wait for her when she returned?
Did someone spot the mystery boyfriend in the car as their significant other?
Did a row erupt?

I still find it dificult to know what Alley man was doing. Was he Richard Cartwright, did he see something and was this why he was found dead later or was this related or unrelated Drug / money pick up activity?

bbm
I'm thinking atm, he was very good in making money and maybe he had a secret important position within the circle, without frequenting the NH. Though Idk, with which manner of death the pathologist could have confounded a fatal heart attack.

 

[MajorLang]

Ok did she leave with bag and all in the evening through back door in order to avoid persons outside her front?
If dead any carpets missing ?

Any missing carpets from her house would be spotted

 

[Yozzer]

Ok did she leave with bag and all in the evening through back door in order to avoid persons outside her front?
If dead any carpets missing ?

Which persons are you referring to? Do you mean POI/partner who lived locally? Or 'alley man'?

 

[Popejohn3]

Which persons are you referring to? Do you mean POI/partner who lived locally? Or 'alley man'?

Light and dark men

 

[Popejohn3]

Any missing carpets from her house would be spotted

Put back ?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Any missing carpets from her house would be spotted

I think, her parents did't miss any carpet.

 

[dotr]

27 December 2019
The thousands of people who go missing across Yorkshire every year
"TENS of thousands of people are reported as missing across Yorkshire every year placing a huge demand on the county's police forces, The Yorkshire Post can today reveal.

The county's four police forces received more than 30,000 reports of people missing during 2018/2019 alone.

York chef Claudia Lawrence has not been seen since March 2009.
"Yorkshire's largest police force - West Yorkshire Police - recorded a total of 18,629 reports of missing people. Of that figure, 18596 were found alive, 13 were found dead and 20 are still to be found."

"In cases where people have been missing for years, they will still stay on the Missing People register until they are found and cases are often reviewed on an annual basis or when new evidence comes to light.

ACC Hankinson said: "There are charities like Missing People who keep up the publicity and do work around the anniversaries of disappearances and so on.

"Very often our reviews will be triggered by a change in circumstances - for example, if something new happens in forensic science and we can look at our cold cases to see if the new advances in technology will take us further in solving what has happened."

 

[Jude Merlin]

Thankyou for that info ...Do you know if this cycle path goes as far as the University and is the spot were the rucksack was found on the cycle path or nearby it

The cycle path/old railway track runs east/west, approximately 0.5 miles north of where the rucksack was found. I'm using the NY police website for the approx. position of the rucksack.

 

[Popejohn3]

Police seek two men and two vehicles in search for Claudia Lawrence | UK news | The Guardian
mr Malyn also said this in 2014
Plus did the camera across the road not record the arrival of that white van and departure? Plus any one getting into it out of it.
I think the camera across the road must have been useless for the police to use a bus cctv

 

[MajorLang]

The cycle path/old railway track runs east/west, approximately 0.5 miles north of where the rucksack was found. I'm using the NY police website for the approx. position of the rucksack.

The rucksack was reported as being sighted just off from a footpath where she would take to work. It's highly unlikely that she was anywhere near this area though

 

[MajorLang]

Police seek two men and two vehicles in search for Claudia Lawrence | UK news | The Guardian
mr Malyn also said this in 2014
Plus did the camera across the road not record the arrival of that white van and departure? Plus any one getting into it out of it.
I think the camera across the road must have been useless for the police to use a bus cctv

Depends where the van came from. Based upon the direction it was facing it is suggested that it would have come from the same direction as the braking car the next morning and so should have been picked up on one of Limes cameras

 

[Bristolboy]

New poster but been following in great detail
What if Acomb new bf was in police. ( Police station local to Acomb)
Others got wind of this and feared she would talk too much re drug dealing?

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

@MummyRatcliffe I feel that she may well have gone out that night but away from the Nags. If the new boyfriend was also seeing someone else then they may have been trying to avoid the significant other and perhaps drinking in Acomb?
There has been some concern noted recently about the timings stated on the:
1. Braking car
2. Morning Alley Man

If you view the footage, the Alley man is supposed to be sighted on cctv at 05:07 and the Braking car at 05:42. However, the 05:07 cctv appears much lighter then the later 05:42 Braking car.

Are these two pieces of cctv the other way around:

Braking car first at 05:07
Alley man next at 05:42

Was the braking car the boyfriend returning Claudia home after a night at his place or a night out in time for her to get ready for work?
They may have waited outside for her to get ready so that they could then take her onwards to work.

Were some laying in wait for her when she returned?
Did someone spot the mystery boyfriend in the car as their significant other?
Did a row erupt?

I still find it dificult to know what Alley man was doing. Was he Richard Cartwright, did he see something and was this why he was found dead later or was this related or unrelated Drug / money pick up activity?

I've read your previous posts where you state the timings of the CCTV could be the wrong way round, but if that is the case was this deliberate by the police? Or do they believe they are right?

I can't fathom how the police could get these times wrong... surely they couldn't purposely put the timings wrong? For instance if the ford focus is an innocent person on their way to work, they see the footage but assume it couldn't be them as they drove through that road half an hour earlier so don't come forward. See how much different people's memories and observations could change if the timings are wrong?

I can see where you're coming from as it does look darker when the braking car comes down the road, but am I right in thinking it was 2 different cameras?

 

[dotr]

New poster but been following in great detail
What if Acomb new bf was in police. ( Police station local to Acomb)
Others got wind of this and feared she would talk too much re drug dealing?

Welcome to Ws Bristolboy!
How is Bristol these days, been checking out some cold cases there and the case of an UID male.

 

[Yozzer]

Police seek two men and two vehicles in search for Claudia Lawrence | UK news | The Guardian
mr Malyn also said this in 2014
Plus did the camera across the road not record the arrival of that white van and departure? Plus any one getting into it out of it.
I think the camera across the road must have been useless for the police to use a bus cctv

The article states that the Astra is parked opposite her house when it is actually parked outside Quartz Travel, near the traffic lights by Costcutters. It is possible that the car came from this direction, turned round in the Nag's Head and parked up facing the lights, without having been filmed on the Lime Court cameras. It was the black Ford Thunder Ranger truck that was parked close to her house but I think the police cleared that one up with the owner.

I don't think any of us can infer anything about this camera (BBM) as we have never seen a clip from it, nor has it been mentioned publicly by NYP. @MajorLang may have more to add but I think we should focus on the cameras we know exist.