UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

[MajorLang]

I placed a post just recently regarding a group of people I had found to be visible from the bus cam they were gathering around a stationary truck and a car parked on the pavement right outside CL's on the night of the 18th approx time 9.01 ... What are your thoughts this group particularly as they were right outside CL's house?[/QUOTE
I think a plausible sighting-Interestingly the same group of people are seen crossing the road next morning as braking car approaches
What we could read from these sightings are that the evening could be a kidnap and the morning the clear up

 

[keep-it-real]

I guess the killer/s will have researched the bus times before moving Claudia's body and I doubt they would hang around the house in full view of other motorists on a busy road.

I havent found any report of cadaviar dogs finding a scent in her house or alley.. personally I dont think she died in the house

 

[keep-it-real]

Interesting....
I think theres a connection here with at least one possibly two of theses people and Claudia.
Did you ever get a id on those people in the black truck (im not saying for sure it is the same black truck but it looks real close)

 

[MajorLang]

Interesting....
I think theres a connection here with at least one possibly two of theses people and Claudia.
Did you ever get a id on those people in the black truck (im not saying for sure it is the same black truck but it looks real close)

JK and Claudia were definitely in the evening truck cctv
Cludia was the one trying to flee
JK needs interviewing.
Why haven't they
Is she a protected species
Was she an undercover drugs squad informer and did she have immunity?

 

[Andyboy]

Wouldn't have immunity for murder or conspiracy to murder would she

 

[keep-it-real]

JK and Claudia were definitely in the evening truck cctv
Cludia was the one trying to flee
JK needs interviewing.
Why haven't they
Is she a protected species
Was she an undercover drugs squad informer and did she have immunity?

I havent quite gone down that path of thought..
Either is a completely innocent gathering of people who know each other or Its a group of people gathering outside someones home to intimidate them. I can only work on the bus cam footage so I dont know if the heavier set female actually got out of the truck before the bus cam brought the truck into view but she was defiantely roadside when the cam approached the younger female in the black sleeveless top and trousers or jeans and light hair appeared to come from the direction of the NH.. Now wether she came from one of the cars parked at the front of the pub as I suspect or she came from the pub OR the alleyway twixt NH and the first house I cannot be sure.
I think you can get what Im thinking here.
And if there was a scream heard as reported it could have been from a silly joung girl who had tried to negogiate an overgrown and unkept alley pathway to ascertain if CL's house lights were on at the back of the house because CL had turned her front lights off to make believe she wasnt in to the group in the front.
Affairs can evoke a highly charged emotional state of mind in people and if they involve the feelings of other family members too especially (lets say teenage daughters) then they can erupt into a lets go and confront the then scenario.
Its possible the dark person seen at the trucks drivers side was one of CL's boyfriends or/and one of the groups boyfriend too.
CL could well have been preoccupied with what was going on outside and thats why she didnt respond to the text from Cyrpus.
I dont think any harm came to CL that evening.
Now wether there was possibly some kind of aftermath that continued the next morning as she left for work or this episode was just another segment in her complicated life and something completely seperate played out ast she left for work Ive get to decide.
I believe she left the house as she did normally (theres no elaborate clean up of the house)
Im not looking for anything too complicated in how things panned out, I think within the all the information the police collated is the clue to how she disappeared they have just focused in one direction,when its really staring them in the face.

 

[Popejohn3]

JK and Claudia were definitely in the evening truck cctv
Cludia was the one trying to flee
JK needs interviewing.
Why haven't they
Is she a protected species
Was she an undercover drugs squad informer and did she have immunity?

If Claudia was captured on cctv at 9 pm that is surly massive !
Or she was simply fast asleep obviously of it all

 

[keep-it-real]

If Claudia was captured on cctv at 9 pm that is surly massive !
Or she was simply fast asleep obviously of it all

If only she had an electricity smart meter PJ at least we would know when she was homes and using her home appliances lights etc without having to rely on what witnesses heard or saw.. Bit much to ask if the police thought it of checking her electricity bill for usuage on that days in question..
Its so fustrating they say they dont know wether she disappeared on the evening of the 18th or the morn of the 19th..
What I would give for one day in a room with all the police evidence ...aahh

 

[Inspector Evans]

I placed a post just recently regarding a group of people I had found to be visible from the bus cam they were gathering around a stationary truck and a car parked on the pavement right outside CL's on the night of the 18th approx time 9.01 ... What are your thoughts this group particularly as they were right outside CL's house?

I simply don't have the means on my PC of super slowing and zooming right in so I'd be only guessing if there were figures by her house as the bus whizzed past.

If it's credible then possibly suggests something happened to her on the night rather than the morning and close to some of the theories that have been discussed at various points over the many threads on this case.

 

[Pinkizzy]

I reckon there is an app to edit a video on your phone

 

[keep-it-real]

JK and Claudia were definitely in the evening truck cctv
Cludia was the one trying to flee
JK needs interviewing.
Why haven't they
Is she a protected species
Was she an undercover drugs squad informer and did she have immunity?

I think you may find this interesting.. Below is the black truck you posted a while ago requesting for possible id of its occupants I found a photo a B.Horwell in a daily mail article dated 2009 who appears to be wearing the same necklace.
For what its worth I think its possible the heavier set female seen on the bus cam could be her too.
Just my opinion

 

[samuel66]

Something @MajorLang touched on but I've done some more hunting around and I don't believe this has been brought to light before. Take a look at the following links:
Mum's murder 'not an excuse'
Burglar committed break-in while showing friend a shortcut to jail
Thomas Ruane of Holgate, jailed for biting taxi driver
York mum in court over cannabis grow
Mob jailed for torture. - Free Online Library
Man who threatened to 'eat cornflakes out girlfriend's skull' jailed
12 of Hull's worst partners in crime now sat in jail
Woman dies in 'vicious' doorstep stabbing
Fifteenth man charged over UK's biggest drug racket - National Crime Agency
'Seaman raped girl, 10, on ship'

You will notice *THREE* similarities between all these links. (1) They all occurred in the North of England, usually Yorkshire and in many cases within York itself. (2) They are all related to drugs, violent crime or both (3) A certain surname which is not a particularly common one crops up what looks like a very statistically disproportionate number of times and it's worth wondering if there is any connection between any of these and the Claudia Lawrence case.

 

[An_Owl]

How closely related are those people to some of those that have featured in discussions of the CL case?

 

[samuel66]

That's the million dollar question. And I'm a strong advocate of "innocent until proven guilty" - but this is not a particularly common surname, and not one but two people with that surname were arrested over Claudia's disappearance. And for a relatively uncommon surname it seems to crop up disproportionately highly in links to drug and violent crime in and around York. One of the links points (the cannabis one) to an address near to another pub that Claudia used to frequent (the pub in Acomb, York). And I understand that it is believed that Claudia's mobile phone had been frequently used in the Acomb area of York leading up to her disappearance. [note: edited - thanks Popejohn3]
Your question is one which is now worthy of further investigation

 

[Popejohn3]

That's the million dollar question. And I'm a strong advocate of "innocent until proven guilty" - but this is not a particularly common surname, and not one but two people with that surname were arrested over Claudia's disappearance. And for a relatively uncommon surname it seems to crop up disproportionately highly in links to drug and violent crime in and around York. One of the links points (the cannabis one) to an address near to another pub that Claudia used to frequent (the pub in Acomb, York). And I understand that it is believed that Claudia's mobile phone was also turned off in the Acomb area of York.
Your question is one which is now worthy of further investigation

Her phone could have also been turned off at her house !

 

[samuel66]

@Popejohn3 yes, fair comment. I was thinking about a comment from Det Sup Malyn that her phone has been used extensively in the Acomb area leading up to her disappearance, my apologies for any confusion. Claudias moile phone is switched off
However, lets not let that detract us from the fact that two people arrested over the disappearance have an uncommon surname, and yet that surname crops up time and time again linked to violent and drug related crime in and around York. Are any of these people directly related or know each other? That's the bit we don't know yet.

 

[Popejohn3]

@Popejohn3 yes, fair comment. I was thinking about a comment from Det Sup Malyn that her phone has been used extensively in the Acomb area leading up to her disappearance, my apologies for any confusion. Claudias moile phone is switched off
However, lets not let that detract us from the fact that two people arrested over the disappearance have an uncommon surname, and yet that surname crops up time and time again linked to violent and drug related crime in and around York. Are any of these people directly related or know each other? That's the bit we don't know yet.

The police did call them ‘rouge ‘ after all but I don’t think they harmed Claudia !

 

[keep-it-real]

That's the million dollar question. And I'm a strong advocate of "innocent until proven guilty" - but this is not a particularly common surname, and not one but two people with that surname were arrested over Claudia's disappearance. And for a relatively uncommon surname it seems to crop up disproportionately highly in links to drug and violent crime in and around York. One of the links points (the cannabis one) to an address near to another pub that Claudia used to frequent (the pub in Acomb, York). And I understand that it is believed that Claudia's mobile phone was also turned off in the Acomb area of York.
Your question is one which is now worthy of further investigation

One things for sure if they've been charged police will have their fingerprints, im not sure about DNA

 

[samuel66]

@Popejohn3 and @keep-it-real the point I'm aiming at is if there is a family connection between people Claudia was very friendly with in her local pub to people involved in drug crime in the York area then there would be a motive for murder or abduction if a solicitor's daughter such as Claudia got to hear about it or got in any way involved or got to know too much.
Which brings us to the question which needs answering : IS THERE A FAMILY LINK?

 

[An_Owl]

There’s also the point that has been made a few times now about how exactly CL was funding what appeared to be a very active social and holiday life on the wages associated with being a university cook.

I’ve been sceptical of the idea of her (and the NH) having any sort of links to organised crime, but the above links do start to make me wonder about that aspect, and about MajorLang’s highly perceptive point that the immediate police response to her disappearance has the semblance of an investigation that was already ongoing even before she vanished.

What exactly was she getting mixed up in? And if she *was* getting mixed up in anything nefarious, how cognizant was she of that, or of what the outcomes might be? Some sources have described her as having a naive side.