UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

[x_caz_x]

Earlier this evening, I'd just mentioned that right outside the door of the Roger Kirk centre where Claudia worked was a post box and had mused as to why she'd not used that one to post her letter on the way home the previous afternoon

Been thinking a lot about the item she posted. Perhaps she stopped off somewhere (a friends maybe?) or met up with someone along the route and was asked to post it on their behalf? It would account for why she didn't post the item that morning on her way to work and why no one has ever claimed to have received any mail from Claudia after the 18th March.

 

[Andyboy]

I've wondered if the significance of the "left handed" aspect is overstated. For sure, left handed people are in the minority. But I've known many right handed people who would hold their cigarettes in their left hand in much the same way that many right handed people (like me) hold their mobile phones in their left hand - it leaves their dominant hand free to do other things. So the left handed smoker is probably a right handed person like most of us.

Said this before, I'm right handed but smoke left handed as its a throwback to when you could smoke in pubs and I'd hold drink in dominant right hand and smoke with left, still do

 

[Eyes Wide Open]

My account has to be correct as she is seen on CCTV walking home from work at Uni and see to post a letter.
Police publish this cctv on their website.
I even know the area where Claudia was picked up by Jo as the area was shown on a crimewatch reconstruction and identifiable, again I highlight this in my blog.
If Claudia was almost immediately given a lift home by Jo stated in Gone. Then she would not have been seen at postbox.
The point Jo picks her up is after the post office and about half way home.
To support this, Claudia was seen on Ini cctv cutting through the car park and towards the cut through to University Road where she would then pick up Melrosegate. So where could she have them been picked up almost immediately Mr Root? (Author of Gone)
She drops her off at her door, Claudia goes inside her house before coming back out and being seen by Linda the childminder.

My experience of Gone book is that in my opinion it has inaccuracies and doesn't challenge or reveal more sensitive information???
That is why I was motivated to write my Blog.
What you also have to consider is that anything published in Gone would have had to have been agreed by Martin Dales a friend of Peter and handling PR for him.
I thought that was rather strange as it is important that all known facts are presented to the public.

@samuel66 & @MajorLang , you're right about the discrepancy between the "Gone" book and all other accounts of the sequence of events on the afternoon of 18/3/09 from CL leaving work then posting the letter at Melrosegate post office, then getting a lift home. The muddled account in "Gone" doesn't make sense but was allowed to remain.
The other discrepancy which puzzles me greatly concerns the early morning sighting of the couple on Melrosegate Bridge. The book's online preview says in Chapter 3 that a witness (cyclist?) came forward in early May 2009 and stated that the sighting was at 05:35 am on Wednesday 18/3/09 and the male was 6'2" tall. The author then confirms the date by saying it was indeed the last day that CL attended work. However the Crimewatch TV presenter in June 2009 stated the sighting was at 05:35 am on Thursday 19/3/09 and that the male was only 5'6". This has always been the official version on the police website. It seems odd that the book was published years later with the conflicting info in place.

 

[MajorLang]

@samuel66 & @MajorLang , you're right about the discrepancy between the "Gone" book and all other accounts of the sequence of events on the afternoon of 18/3/09 from CL leaving work then posting the letter at Melrosegate post office, then getting a lift home. The muddled account in "Gone" doesn't make sense but was allowed to remain.
The other discrepancy which puzzles me greatly concerns the early morning sighting of the couple on Melrosegate Bridge. The book's online preview says in Chapter 3 that a witness (cyclist?) came forward in early May 2009 and stated that the sighting was at 05:35 am on Wednesday 18/3/09 and the male was 6'2" tall. The author then confirms the date by saying it was indeed the last day that CL attended work. However the Crimewatch TV presenter in June 2009 stated the sighting was at 05:35 am on Thursday 19/3/09 and that the male was only 5'6". This has always been the official version on the police website. It seems odd that the book was published years later with the conflicting info in place.

Probably best to go with Police account and ignore Martin Dales puppet Neil Rook

 

[MajorLang]

Said this before, I'm right handed but smoke left handed as its a throwback to when you could smoke in pubs and I'd hold drink in dominant right hand and smoke with left, still do

Such a distraction and I agree with you @Andyboy Many make a meal of this but it matters not a jot in the overall scheme of things

 

[MajorLang]

It's clear to me that we are getting close to the anniversary of Claudias missing as there are many new socks joining the Websleuths forum

 

[Popejohn3]

When Galloway said there’ll be no stone unturned no one asked him the size of the stones he had in mind !
I think something has been lost in translation ... far too many cooks !
The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.
I give you just one example and I’m betting some of you ( us) have your own examples !
I was asked by an officer if I thought a certain person...familiar name in CL case ...if she or he had anything to do with her disappearance !
Now , years later I get told that this person’s name was not even mentioned in the officer’s report!
So no record of the question nor the answer !
Why interviews / discussions are not tape recorded in the 21 century is beyond me !
I mean they can do it with your permission!
You ring in for an insurance quote and you get told the conversation is being recorded for training purposes .

 

[MajorLang]

When Galloway said there’ll be no stone unturned no one asked him the size of the stones he had in mind !
I think something has been lost in translation ... far too many cooks !
The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.
I give you just one example and I’m betting some of you ( us) have your own examples !
I was asked by an officer if I thought a certain person...familiar name in CL case ...if she or he had anything to do with her disappearance !
Now , years later I get told that this person’s name was not even mentioned in the officer’s report!
So no record of the question nor the answer !
Why interviews / discussions are not tape recorded in the 21 century is beyond me !
I mean they can do it with your permission!
You ring in for an insurance quote and you get told the conversation is being recorded for training purposes .

Have you been smoking some of the Grass that Ruane and his cronies were peddling at the Nags head? @Popejohn3

 

[MEKON]

Hi ; i'm new here. First of all i would like to give my sincere wishes to Claudia's family. I think this case has hit the hearts of copious individuals; perhaps due to the large possibility it has been planned and craftily executed by people she knew . Major Lang's work in his medium blog that has disappeared online, really had me fascinated over the case

I think it is helpful to brainstorm ideas; because it could fill in links to a puzzle which the authorities can not quite finish. I think the Police are holding information back; but sometimes they have to for all sorts of reasons. However; I'll have a plug at a theory about who took her, that i have and i do not think has been mentioned yet. Has there been secret relationships discovered by either a Catholic Male or a Protestant Male which either or both religious parties have taken real offence too. Additionally; has it put at jeopardy any criminal rackets that each family or group were successfully conducting. Drugs(Major Lang researched possible family links in a massive Drugs raid),Major fraud,Gun running(Loyalist links),People trafficking, Dodgy Marriages or Money laundering for example. Has Claudia been a catalyst for a feud; plus possibly been bribing both parties, after having relationships with them to gather information. Has Claudia being supplying the authorities with information about criminality. Is that why she was possibly kept alive until Mid-day; while people were interrogating her about who else knew. Was her phone being sifted through for information. Whatever Claudia got caught up in,it must of been 'high stakes'. Because if reporters and the Police have been warned off; and there's a 'wall of silence'. Then the perpetrators are not your ordinary amateur 'crims'.

Claudia could of stumbled accidentally (loose tipsy trusting bragging tongue of acquaintance) into a scene she had no intention of entering. Is that why she started distancing herself

Is this why so many Cars and individuals were spotted near her home on the Night and Morning of her disappearance. Did someone have access to her phone and text people to come to her house for all sorts of reasons. Whether it was texting the landlord (RC) that there were people suspiciously hanging around his property. Therefore the landlord came to check; thus framing him as a possible suspect. Did someone text contacts in her phone to meet her outside in the morning to give her a lift?. Which would ''muddy the Waters and frame others).


. I understood the Police said.....'' we believe She made her way to work in the Morning ''. Surely CCTV would pick Claudia up somewhere; whether it was outside her front door or elsewhere. Surely if so; they would see who was there. If the Police are deliberately giving ''Red Herrings'' out with reference to her exit to work in the morning. Then how did she leave her home whether at Night or in the Morning. It only leaves her back door and route via the back path into the Nags Head Car Park. So has someone told her to go the back way to meet them in the Pub Car Park; in order for her not to be picked up on camera going onto Heworth Road and to be possibly spotted going past the Pub

The Pub Car Park does not always have it's cameras off. So if this was the way Claudia was taken,there must of been cooperation with 'someone in the know' within the Pub.

Unless of course; Claudia was in the room of the Pub with someone. And that person who took her knew the Cameras were always off at ''Closing O'clock''

The route out of the Car Park could of been conducted by an unmarked Car with darkened windows; and taken a route with minimal CCTV or no CCTV at all. Once an unmarked Car with Darkened windows gets so many Miles outside York. It can plan a route where there is no CCTV and then the Car can totally disappear for good (Scrapped, transported elsewhere inside a Lorry)

 

[MajorLang]

Hi ; i'm new here. First of all i would like to give my sincere wishes to Claudia's family. I think this case has hit the hearts of copious individuals; perhaps due to the large possibility it has been planned and craftily executed by people she knew . Major Lang's work in his medium blog that has disappeared online, really had me fascinated over the case

I think it is helpful to brainstorm ideas; because it could fill in links to a puzzle which the authorities can not quite finish. I think the Police are holding information back; but sometimes they have to for all sorts of reasons. However; I'll have a plug at a theory about who took her, that i have and i do not think has been mentioned yet. Has there been secret relationships discovered by either a Catholic Male or a Protestant Male which either or both religious parties have taken real offence too. Additionally; has it put at jeopardy any criminal rackets that each family or group were successfully conducting. Drugs(Major Lang researched possible family links in a massive Drugs raid),Major fraud,Gun running(Loyalist links),People trafficking, Dodgy Marriages or Money laundering for example. Has Claudia been a catalyst for a feud; plus possibly been bribing both parties, after having relationships with them to gather information. Has Claudia being supplying the authorities with information about criminality. Is that why she was possibly kept alive until Mid-day; while people were interrogating her about who else knew. Was her phone being sifted through for information. Whatever Claudia got caught up in,it must of been 'high stakes'. Because if reporters and the Police have been warned off; and there's a 'wall of silence'. Then the perpetrators are not your ordinary amateur 'crims'.

Claudia could of stumbled accidentally (loose tipsy trusting bragging tongue of acquaintance) into a scene she had no intention of entering. Is that why she started distancing herself

Is this why so many Cars and individuals were spotted near her home on the Night and Morning of her disappearance. Did someone have access to her phone and text people to come to her house for all sorts of reasons. Whether it was texting the landlord (RC) that there were people suspiciously hanging around his property. Therefore the landlord came to check; thus framing him as a possible suspect. Did someone text contacts in her phone to meet her outside in the morning to give her a lift?. Which would ''muddy the Waters and frame others).


. I understood the Police said.....'' we believe She made her way to work in the Morning ''. Surely CCTV would pick Claudia up somewhere; whether it was outside her front door or elsewhere. Surely if so; they would see who was there. If the Police are deliberately giving ''Red Herrings'' out with reference to her exit to work in the morning. Then how did she leave her home whether at Night or in the Morning. It only leaves her back door and route via the back path into the Nags Head Car Park. So has someone told her to go the back way to meet them in the Pub Car Park; in order for her not to be picked up on camera going onto Heworth Road and to be possibly spotted going past the Pub

The Pub Car Park does not always have it's cameras off. So if this was the way Claudia was taken,there must of been cooperation with 'someone in the know' within the Pub.

Unless of course; Claudia was in the room of the Pub with someone. And that person who took her knew the Cameras were always off at ''Closing O'clock''

The route out of the Car Park could of been conducted by an unmarked Car with darkened windows; and taken a route with minimal CCTV or no CCTV at all. Once an unmarked Car with Darkened windows gets so many Miles outside York. It can plan a route where there is no CCTV and then the Car can totally disappear for good (Scrapped, transported elsewhere inside a Lorry)

There was a car transporter waiting in Heworth Road at 5:07 am with hazards on but police have denied it.
Why go so far to a scrap yard when one of Claudias exes had his own scrap yard in Mansfield Street less than 5 minute away ??

 

[Popejohn3]

Hi ; i'm new here. First of all i would like to give my sincere wishes to Claudia's family. I think this case has hit the hearts of copious individuals; perhaps due to the large possibility it has been planned and craftily executed by people she knew . Major Lang's work in his medium blog that has disappeared online, really had me fascinated over the case

I think it is helpful to brainstorm ideas; because it could fill in links to a puzzle which the authorities can not quite finish. I think the Police are holding information back; but sometimes they have to for all sorts of reasons. However; I'll have a plug at a theory about who took her, that i have and i do not think has been mentioned yet. Has there been secret relationships discovered by either a Catholic Male or a Protestant Male which either or both religious parties have taken real offence too. Additionally; has it put at jeopardy any criminal rackets that each family or group were successfully conducting. Drugs(Major Lang researched possible family links in a massive Drugs raid),Major fraud,Gun running(Loyalist links),People trafficking, Dodgy Marriages or Money laundering for example. Has Claudia been a catalyst for a feud; plus possibly been bribing both parties, after having relationships with them to gather information. Has Claudia being supplying the authorities with information about criminality. Is that why she was possibly kept alive until Mid-day; while people were interrogating her about who else knew. Was her phone being sifted through for information. Whatever Claudia got caught up in,it must of been 'high stakes'. Because if reporters and the Police have been warned off; and there's a 'wall of silence'. Then the perpetrators are not your ordinary amateur 'crims'.

Claudia could of stumbled accidentally (loose tipsy trusting bragging tongue of acquaintance) into a scene she had no intention of entering. Is that why she started distancing herself

Is this why so many Cars and individuals were spotted near her home on the Night and Morning of her disappearance. Did someone have access to her phone and text people to come to her house for all sorts of reasons. Whether it was texting the landlord (RC) that there were people suspiciously hanging around his property. Therefore the landlord came to check; thus framing him as a possible suspect. Did someone text contacts in her phone to meet her outside in the morning to give her a lift?. Which would ''muddy the Waters and frame others).


. I understood the Police said.....'' we believe She made her way to work in the Morning ''. Surely CCTV would pick Claudia up somewhere; whether it was outside her front door or elsewhere. Surely if so; they would see who was there. If the Police are deliberately giving ''Red Herrings'' out with reference to her exit to work in the morning. Then how did she leave her home whether at Night or in the Morning. It only leaves her back door and route via the back path into the Nags Head Car Park. So has someone told her to go the back way to meet them in the Pub Car Park; in order for her not to be picked up on camera going onto Heworth Road and to be possibly spotted going past the Pub

The Pub Car Park does not always have it's cameras off. So if this was the way Claudia was taken,there must of been cooperation with 'someone in the know' within the Pub.

Unless of course; Claudia was in the room of the Pub with someone. And that person who took her knew the Cameras were always off at ''Closing O'clock''

The route out of the Car Park could of been conducted by an unmarked Car with darkened windows; and taken a route with minimal CCTV or no CCTV at all. Once an unmarked Car with Darkened windows gets so many Miles outside York. It can plan a route where there is no CCTV and then the Car can totally disappear for good (Scrapped, transported elsewhere inside a Lorry)

Truth is not always stranger than fiction!

 

[MEKON]

There was a car transporter waiting in Heworth Road at 5:07 am with hazards on but police have denied it.
Why go so far to a scrap yard when one of Claudias exes had his own scrap yard in Mansfield Street less than 5 minute away ??

Your possibly right Major Lang because I've seen your work and your way more advanced than me. It's a shame the Police can not release more information and footage, because I am sure the public could then present the authorities with the missing parts of the puzzle.

The information about the mattress being changed,the apparent people in vehicles checking her movements out(the Red van?) and the coincidence that Ray was away also seems suspicious. That's why it's been pre-planned; and the time has been selected when the best opportunity has arrived. Or;it's been a case of ''having to act now''

Surely though; CCTV would pick up activity outside her house and at least along certain sections of Heworth Road. Even if vehicles had darkened windows and dodgy or no number plates, surely routes of leaving vehicles could be traced with CCTV if it was a local journey. It seems like so many individuals were involved,so why would so many people have a stake in removing a problem. The reason must be serious in order to commit such a crime as in eliminating a 'whistleblower'.

I think the Halliwell theory is a 'Red Herring' as i'm sure i read that he was in an institution on the dates Claudia went missing. I'm sure Halliwell was an opportunist. Claudia's disappearance seems to be planned with local knowledge and assistance .The strange text that was sent by someone to Jen King about working the next 12 days; surely was not sent by Claudia. It could be sent by someone that knows who Claudia's friends were; and a friend that lived nearby who would be one of the first people to check on Claudia. I can not see Halliwell knowing too much about Claudia,in order to work out who her friends are

Interestingly though; does anyone think 1 of the ''Dark'' person or persons visits around the back could resemble Halliwell . But if he was in an Institution at the time; it is very unlikely it's him

 

[Popejohn3]

Your possibly right Major Lang because I've seen your work and your way more advanced than me. It's a shame the Police can not release more information and footage, because I am sure the public could then present the authorities with the missing parts of the puzzle.

The information about the mattress being changed,the apparent people in vehicles checking her movements out(the Red van?) and the coincidence that Ray was away also seems suspicious. That's why it's been pre-planned; and the time has been selected when the best opportunity has arrived. Or;it's been a case of ''having to act now''

Surely though; CCTV would pick up activity outside her house and at least along certain sections of Heworth Road. Even if vehicles had darkened windows and dodgy or no number plates, surely routes of leaving vehicles could be traced with CCTV if it was a local journey. It seems like so many individuals were involved,so why would so many people have a stake in removing a problem. The reason must be serious in order to commit such a crime as in eliminating a 'whistleblower'.

I think the Halliwell theory is a 'Red Herring' as i'm sure i read that he was in an institution on the dates Claudia went missing. I'm sure Halliwell was an opportunist. Claudia's disappearance seems to be planned with local knowledge and assistance .The strange text that was sent by someone to Jen King about working the next 12 days; surely was not sent by Claudia. It could be sent by someone that knows who Claudia's friends were; and a friend that lived nearby who would be one of the first people to check on Claudia. I can not see Halliwell knowing too much about Claudia,in order to work out who her friends are

Interestingly though; does anyone think 1 of the ''Dark'' person or persons visits around the back could resemble Halliwell . But if he was in an Institution at the time; it is very unlikely it's him

If people believe they have a part of a jigsaw they should send it to the police because If they happen to be right they MUST know the police would never be able to complete it ( puzzle )
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The way we are carrying here the police would have to interview everyone one within 100 miles radius !

 

[Andyboy]

If people believe they have a part of a jigsaw they should send it to the police because If they happen to be right they MUST know the police would never be able to complete it ( puzzle )
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The way we are carrying here the police would have to interview everyone one within 100 miles radius !

I think most people on here have a very small list of suspects, as indeed have the police

 

[Ruthbullock]

I think most people on here have a very small list of suspects, as indeed have the police

Having a small list isn’t always conducive to solving a crime though. York is not particularly small or large- but it is a place where everyone knows everyone via someone. Never in my life (moving with the military) have I lived in a place like it. There will have been a network from primary and secondary who live all over York, who in turn have friends she has met. Throw in her work connections and just socialising from the local pubs- it is scary how every news article involves a friend of someone.
As an aside- the road her house, the pub and the shops are on- it’s a proper rat run always chocka with traffic, even in the early hours- it’s a quick way to get to a certain side of town and further down the A64 towards Leeds. It’s certainly not ever a quiet street.

 

[MEKON]

I may be way off here with another brainstorm that extends onto the possible Catholic - Protestant dilemma. People naturally assume there is always a ''Green and Blue'' dividing line between the 2 faiths. Put simply; the 2 groups do not always go for each other's throats, because sometimes there are 'common goals'' which are of more importance to the 2 tribal groups. Interestingly there was discussion that certain family members of the Irish Catholic community had British National Party links. This is not impossible because not all Irish Catholics are progressive,Left-wing or Republican in nature. There are even prime examples of British based Catholic Fascist organisations in Britain.

Thus; bearing in mind there was a possible Loyalist input to the case as well. Was there a ''Flag of Convenience'' between 2 groups that at first would seem poles apart from each other. However; due to political friendship,potential criminality exposure, relationship feuds over someone that's fueled the reason to eliminate someone that's a risk . The 2 groups from normally natural opposite political paradigms have joined forces

So; has a ''Gangland'' mob been involved to conduct the process

My thoughts above are ''value- free''; it is not an excuse to smear groups for the sake of it

Additionally on a differing slightly morbid note. If someone was transported in a Car while alive to a scrapyard and then disposed inside a car; then what would the process be?. Would a car be picked up by a Crane with a Magnet; and then dropped from a height into a type of Baler/Crushing machine

Because if this was the case, does this not have relevance to a type of 'Freudian slip' which stated that someone hoped Claudia was dead before she hit the floor. The statement seems holistically strange; it was to specific and out of context. It suggests its knowledge, rather than a suggestion or theory

 

[keep-it-real]

Having a small list isn’t always conducive to solving a crime though. York is not particularly small or large- but it is a place where everyone knows everyone via someone. Never in my life (moving with the military) have I lived in a place like it. There will have been a network from primary and secondary who live all over York, who in turn have friends she has met. Throw in her work connections and just socialising from the local pubs- it is scary how every news article involves a friend of someone.
As an aside- the road her house, the pub and the shops are on- it’s a proper rat run always chocka with traffic, even in the early hours- it’s a quick way to get to a certain side of town and further down the A64 towards Leeds. It’s certainly not ever a quiet street.

I understand you have some local knowledge can I ask you how safe do you regard the walk to college for a woman at that time of the morning.
I have been researching the area and have noted the number of sexual related crimes in that area I understand schools and colleges attract an unhealthy interest from sexual predators who like to 'watch/assault/abuct young persons girls in particular, do locals perceive a danger in the area from these sorts of crimes.
I am looking into in the man in the white van who tried to accost the woman jogger on the morning of the 18th or 19th on melrosegate, this was reported to the local newspaper and given that most people in York knows someone through its network I wondered if locals were of this this particular incident at the time
Had there been any non reported incidents of the same man in this vehicle menancing woman in the area previously.

 

[Ruthbullock]

The area is dramatically mixed, it changes from very affluent areas to council housing. However York is a relatively safe place and I think most people walk around even late at night, early mornings alone without fear. Those roads always have traffic and taxis running on them and that will add to the feeling of being safe walking around.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Claudia Lawrence police in new van probe
there seems to be a thing for suspect white vans and attempted abductions in york. It’s one of those things that appears in the news at least once or twice a year and then nothing more is ever heard about it. In one recent instance it was a false story, yet spread over all the local SM pages until police put a stop to it publicly.

 

[Popejohn3]

I may be way off here with another brainstorm that extends onto the possible Catholic - Protestant dilemma. People naturally assume there is always a ''Green and Blue'' dividing line between the 2 faiths. Put simply; the 2 groups do not always go for each other's throats, because sometimes there are 'common goals'' which are of more importance to the 2 tribal groups. Interestingly there was discussion that certain family members of the Irish Catholic community had British National Party links. This is not impossible because not all Irish Catholics are progressive,Left-wing or Republican in nature. There are even prime examples of British based Catholic Fascist organisations in Britain.

Thus; bearing in mind there was a possible Loyalist input to the case as well. Was there a ''Flag of Convenience'' between 2 groups that at first would seem poles apart from each other. However; due to political friendship,potential criminality exposure, relationship feuds over someone that's fueled the reason to eliminate someone that's a risk . The 2 groups from normally natural opposite political paradigms have joined forces

So; has a ''Gangland'' mob been involved to conduct the process

My thoughts above are ''value- free''; it is not an excuse to smear groups for the sake of it

Additionally on a differing slightly morbid note. If someone was transported in a Car while alive to a scrapyard and then disposed inside a car; then what would the process be?. Would a car be picked up by a Crane with a Magnet; and then dropped from a height into a type of Baler/Crushing machine

Because if this was the case, does this not have relevance to a type of 'Freudian slip' which stated that someone hoped Claudia was dead before she hit the floor. The statement seems holistically strange; it was to specific and out of context. It suggests its knowledge, rather than a suggestion or theory

We all know who said hope Claudia was dead before she hit the ground .
To the person who uttered those words please come on here and stop this rumour ! You were a friend to Claudia fhs stop this now!