UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #8

[Inspector Evans]

We've moved on from the CCTV being Richard Cartwright then.

 

[keep-it-real]

Smoking a cigarette in her car does not necessarily make the smoker a murderer and we know Claudia had lots of male friends/associates. Having the cctv evidence of this person who has purportedly been identified and arrested on suspicion of murder is on a different level altogether. It puts him in the right place at the right times and his behaviour was highly suspicious. He was known to have multiple links with the victim and there comes a point when Occam's Razor should be applied.
Now they need someone to break the code of silence.

You say 'purportedly' been identified. I think its important we are absolutely clear on this point. Have you spoken personally with the cold case team and have they confirmed to you that this person has been identified?

 

[keep-it-real]

The 4 arrested men were inter-related. There was more to those arrests than being a NH regular and there is plenty of properly researched evidence from a range of reputable sources out there to support this. I'm not going to list it all - it's out there. Walking around on a street does not make that person (cctv man) a killer, but linked with other known facts, plus blatant lying when it was known they (more than 1) were more than just friends, loitering in a suspicious manner on 2 occasions near the victim's home at key times is more than just coincidence. I suspect one or two may have been dragged into this by association but between them lies the truth. They clearly had no respect for CL, running bets on who would be arrested next for their murdered so-called friend - must be as hard as nails.

I respect your opinion Yozzer but the police just cant point a finger at someone and say we know you did it, youre not telling the truth. It just doesnt wash! They either know who did it and how they did it or they dont.
Surely if they suspect someone of doing it then they suspect how it was done.
And if those people who have been accused know they didnt do it as distasteful as it is that they run bets on who would be arrested next they are most probably not doing it out of disrespect for Claudia but taking the P out of the police for getting it so wrong

 

[MajorLang]

We've moved on from the CCTV being Richard Cartwright then.

Cartwright was

I respect your opinion Yozzer but the police just cant point a finger at someone and say we know you did it, youre not telling the truth. It just doesnt wash! They either know who did it and how they did it or they dont.
Surely if they suspect someone of doing it then they suspect how it was done.
And if those people who have been accused know they didnt do it as distasteful as it is that they run bets on who would be arrested next they are most probably not doing it out of disrespect for Claudia but taking the P out of the police for getting it so wrong

@keep-it-real Only the police investigating officers and their team will know the evidence and only those interviewing the suspects will know if one or more of the 4 are guilty.
If your in the room and based upon what the suspects are saying or more importantly in their case "not saying" .You will know if it is them.
For me, it is one of two scenarios:
1. A law enforcement cover up to protect a senior or many high level officials or those associated by membership of a secret and in my view Illegal clan.
Or
2. Malyn had his culprit(s) He had evidence that he believed as a very experienced police officer would put them away but his predecessor had botched the investigation and that would make it easy for a defence barrister to get them off.

It is very clear during Malyns press statement following the CPS decision that he was annoyed and frustrated.
JK changed her cooperative with police self following one of the arrests to worries / silent and anti police.
She now uses strange drop in phrases during her media interviews that tantalise and tease.

If it is 1 as above we will never know.
But if it is 2. And I believe that this is @Yozzer favoured option?
Police will develop better evidence detection techniques over time that will nail them. I don't believe they will crack, any of them.
I have observed some of them in social media forums, what they say, how they behave.
If they do solve the case, we may not see all of the 4 tried for murder but there could well be 4 and they won't all be male.
Just saying.....

 

[Popejohn3]

I respect your opinion Yozzer but the police just cant point a finger at someone and say we know you did it, youre not telling the truth. It just doesnt wash! They either know who did it and how they did it or they dont.
Surely if they suspect someone of doing it then they suspect how it was done.
And if those people who have been accused know they didnt do it as distasteful as it is that they run bets on who would be arrested next they are most probably not doing it out of disrespect for Claudia but taking the P out of the police for getting it so wrong

You’re so right !

 

[Popejohn3]

You say 'purportedly' been identified. I think its important we are absolutely clear on this point. Have you spoken personally with the cold case team and have they confirmed to you that this person has been identified?

For what’s it worth : I find @Yozzer to be as fair and honest as she can be ... that is why she used the word ‘purportedly’

 

[Popejohn3]

#missingpeople - YouTube

I found this very interesting: don’t worry it is short and to the point perhaps a good example of Occam’s Razor @Yozzer ?
Something stuck me while watching the clip : is the Allyman a security guard judging by the way ( According to the podcast )he keeps checking his breast pockets/ always aware and ( my observation ) he calmly comes to a halt before the light hits his face and he seems to align both feet when he stops as security guards often do !
Of course he could also be a policeman !
If you do not agree with the podcaster you probably go for the Hot Fuzz movie version !
Btw it’s a great British black comedy movie about the goings on in a small Yorkshire town lol

 

[Popejohn3]

#missingpeople - YouTube

I found this very interesting: don’t worry it is short and to the point perhaps a good example of Occam’s Razor @Yozzer ?
Something stuck me while watching the clip : is the Allyman a security guard judging by the way ( According to the podcast )he keeps checking his breast pockets/ always aware and ( my observation ) he calmly comes to a halt before the light hits his face and he seems to align both feet when he stops as security guards often do !
Of course he could also be a policeman !
If you do not agree with the podcaster you probably go for the Hot Fuzz movie version !
Btw it’s a great British black comedy movie about the goings on in a small Yorkshire town lol[/
#claudialawrence - YouTube

I am referring but not doing it right I see to John Bowe on You Tube help !

 

[Popejohn3]

 

[Yozzer]

You say 'purportedly' been identified. I think its important we are absolutely clear on this point. Have you spoken personally with the cold case team and have they confirmed to you that this person has been identified?

The arrest, six years on from the chef's disappearance, is believed to be linked to the screening of CCTV near her home last week.
Sky's North of England Correspondent Gerard Tubb said the arrest is linked to the screening of CCTV by police close to Miss Lawrence's home last week.
Claudia Lawrence: Man Arrested For Murder

The latest development was believed to be linked to the CCTV investigation and a recent search of the alleyway behind Claudia’s home in Heworth, York.
Man arrested over Claudia Lawrence murder 'joked about previous cop interview'

It came days after police released new CCTV footage which shows two people walking near her home on the evening she vanished. It is understood the arrest is linked to this appeal
Man arrested on suspicion of Claudia Lawrence's murder | Daily Mail Online

 

[Yozzer]

And if those people who have been accused know they didnt do it as distasteful as it is that they run bets on who would be arrested next they are most probably not doing it out of disrespect for Claudia but taking the P out of the police for getting it so wrong

I'm sure they will be grateful for your support.

 

[Yozzer]

For what’s it worth : I find @Yozzer to be as fair and honest as she can be ... that is why she used the word ‘purportedly’

But before you make statements like this can you back them up. Do you personally know Yozzer? I think its important we are absolutely clear on this point. Have you spoken personally with Yozzer?
I am touched by your sincerity.

 

[Popejohn3]

But before you make statements like this can you back them up. Do you personally know Yozzer? I think its important we are absolutely clear on this point. Have you spoken personally with Yozzer?
I am touched by your sincerity.

I’m confused.com !
I’d expect that question to come from someone else.
It was just an observation !

 

[Popejohn3]

The 4 arrested men were inter-related. There was more to those arrests than being a NH regular and there is plenty of properly researched evidence from a range of reputable sources out there to support this. I'm not going to list it all - it's out there. Walking around on a street does not make that person (cctv man) a killer, but linked with other known facts, plus blatant lying when it was known they (more than 1) were more than just friends, loitering in a suspicious manner on 2 occasions near the victim's home at key times is more than just coincidence. I suspect one or two may have been dragged into this by association but between them lies the truth. They clearly had no respect for CL, running bets on who would be arrested next for their murdered so-called friend - must be as hard as nails.

Or a bit drunk and talking about the bungled investigation ?

 

[Yozzer]

We've moved on from the CCTV being Richard Cartwright then.

5 years ago.

 

[Popejohn3]

I'm sure they will be grateful for your support.

They need our support I think because MUD STICK !
And I think they should bear this in mind and put down their pints and come out fighting because Mud Sticks and don’t just leave it to Jen !

 

[Yozzer]

Or a bit drunk and talking about the bungled investigation ?

All of the above.

 

[Popejohn3]

well he kept it simple!

 

[Popejohn3]

#missingpeople - YouTube

I found this very interesting: don’t worry it is short and to the point perhaps a good example of Occam’s Razor @Yozzer ?
Something stuck me while watching the clip : is the Allyman a security guard judging by the way ( According to the podcast )he keeps checking his breast pockets/ always aware and ( my observation ) he calmly comes to a halt before the light hits his face and he seems to align both feet when he stops as security guards often do !
Of course he could also be a policeman !
If you do not agree with the podcaster you probably go for the Hot Fuzz movie version !
Btw it’s a great British black comedy movie about the goings on in a small Yorkshire town lol

Coorection ‘something struck me ‘

 

[MajorLang]

I find the whole social media discussion regarding Claudia now being occupied by many who seek to defend the arrested rather than seek to understand why they are arrested.
I don't believe that anyone should try and stand in the way of Police who clearly will know who did it by now.
Yet wether it's on here, FB, Reddit or other media channels, the supporters of those "hard done by" keep rolling in as if they were their drinking buddies from the Nags head.
But what is more worrying is that it continues and to be completely honest, The 4 are big enough and ugly enough to stand up for themselves and come on here in their real name and explain where they were and what they were doing when Claudia disappeared, rather than placing bets on who's next or getting their girlfriends to defend them and rock up for the next documentary whilst they sit back in the pub with their pint and dominos.