UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #8

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I had forgotten the landlords name but it was Richard Cartwright. I hadn’t previously seen this article with a picture of him though. I definitely think he’s a red herring and likely NOT the man on CCTV. Despite the book making it sound gospel that it was him on the footage.

Family of Richard Cartwright say he was not a suspect in Claudia Lawrence investigation
The Police either got this wrong deliberately or genuinely.
Some say the two different footage shots are of the same person and so not Cartwright and others believe that there are two different people involved and one is either Cartwright or not him.

if we consider that Claudia was NOT at home that evening and the following morning, but elsewhere, either person could have been behaving strangely but not necessarily a murderer.
They could have been picking and dropping Drugs for trade at Nags Head which was suspected of being under surveillance at the time.
 
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Very interesting points. I’ve always been of the belief that Claudia was at home on the evening prior to her disappearance. My theory has always been that she spoke to her mother (from home) and then probably went to sleep shortly afterwards due to having to be up very early for work the following morning. The additional info regarding her being ‘hungover’ and having had no sleep before her shift that day strengthens this theory I think. I just think she would’ve been shattered and not in a fit state to be going to meet someone at 10pm that night.

My current line of thinking is that she left for work early that morning (the 19th) and got into the car of somebody she knew, at the very least on a nod at them in the street level . This may or may not be the car seen braking heavily outside her house at 5:42. I believe this man is either somebody she has had relations with but moved on from and he still has an obsession with her OR he’s someone who has had an obsessive crush on her for some time (perhaps without her knowledge) but has never been intimate with her, much to his dismay.

After she willingly gets in the car (she may have felt uncomfortable refusing the lift, from what we hear of her ‘easily led’ character) I can see it playing out a couple of different ways. Either he has almost immediately incapacitated her (seems unlikely) and drove away and disposed of the body or more likely an argument has taken place inside the car first. This could’ve been for a number of reasons, perhaps he’s come on too strong or tried something on and she’s shouted/fought back. Maybe he’s an ex lover who was married and left his marriage and lost everything to be with her but by this time she’d moved on with someone else. There’s endless possibilities here but these are just some of my theories.

Now, if as I believe she did willingly get in the car and an argument has taken place, could this link up with the sighting of a parked car with the passenger door wide open and a lady matching Claudia’s description arguing with a hooded man? This was close to the university campus I believe. So it seems completely possible that he was intending on genuinely giving her a lift to work until the argument has started, at which point I think she may have started shouting “stop the car, let me out etc etc” maybe even physically attacking him while he’s trying to drive and he’s pulled over and she’s got out, at which point the witnesses argument has took place. The only thing that doesn’t make sense with this theory is her getting BACK into the car again willingly. He would’ve had to have incapacitated her in public or dragged her kicking and screaming into the car??

I’ve just finished chapter 8 of Gone and as always my opinions and thoughts can change but I thought I’d post my current line of thinking here for those who are interested. I’ve come to this opinion from following the case on and off since 2009, watching documentaries and reading posts here. Nothing I’ve read in Gone (yet) has really influenced this.
 
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The additional info regarding her being ‘hungover’ and having had no sleep before her shift that day strengthens this theory I think. I just think she would’ve been shattered and not in a fit state to be going to meet someone at 10pm that night.
Great post.
Just about the night out with the b/f. Although some reporting suggested her night out was on the Tuesday, it is widely believed to be the Monday night so her alleged disclosure to her work colleague was during her Tuesday shift.
 
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Did Claudia keep a diary? I found this in an article about the mystery b/f. It could just be an attempt to rattle the individual concerned, I suppose.

Her husband, Peter, who separated from her several years ago, is spending the day giving interviews appealing for a breakthrough. The couple are to re-check their and their daughter's diaries to see if entries shed light on the new information.
Claudia Lawrence detectives reveal new information on disappearance
 
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Great post.
Just about the night out with the b/f. Although some reporting suggested her night out was on the Tuesday, it is widely believed to be the Monday night so her alleged disclosure to her work colleague was during her Tuesday shift.

Oh I see. So in that case she could have recovered from the night out (Monday) and been feeling refreshed again by the Wednesday evening? Interesting.

Nevertheless, I still think she had that late phone conversation with her mother from her home and even without a hangover I think she would’ve been too tired at that time to want to go out, especially with having another early morning shift the next day. By that time she’d have been up, what, like 18 hours?? I think it’s likely she crashed out for the night.

The whole story from her colleague seems bizarre anyway though. How would he only recall that conversation A YEAR later? That’s a pretty BIG piece of important information. If a girl you knew went missing and one of the last things she said to you was that surely that’s the first thing that would spring to mind and you would inform the police? Something doesn’t add up there. I’m assuming the police have looked into that person thoroughly too though.
 
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How would he only recall that conversation A YEAR later? That’s a pretty BIG piece of important information. If a girl you knew went missing and one of the last things she said to you was that surely that’s the first thing that would spring to mind and you would inform the police? Something doesn’t add up there. I’m assuming the police have looked into that person thoroughly too though.
Police expressed frustration and said something like: this has been a feature of the case, people being unwilling to come forward to protect their current relationships.
I took from that (whether it was intentional or not) that the informant (married or in ltr) may have had a fling with her in the past. Another thought is that he knew the identity of the mystery b/f via work and didn't want to go there, given what happened to CL.
 
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Great post.
Just about the night out with the b/f. Although some reporting suggested her night out was on the Tuesday, it is widely believed to be the Monday night so her alleged disclosure to her work colleague was during her Tuesday shift.
So could his work be shift work ?
For him to be out that late ? Or on holiday
 
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So could his work be shift work ?
For him to be out that late ? Or on holiday
Or his wife/g.f was away for the night so an opportunity arose.
 
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The whole story from her colleague seems bizarre anyway though. How would he only recall that conversation A YEAR later? That’s a pretty BIG piece of important information. If a girl you knew went missing and one of the last things she said to you was that surely that’s the first thing that would spring to mind and you would inform the police? Something doesn’t add up there. I’m assuming the police have looked into that person thoroughly too though.

This part has always concerned me
 
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. Another thought is that he knew the identity of the mystery b/f via work and didn't want to go there, given what happened to CL.

Good point
 
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Did Claudia keep a diary? I found this in an article about the mystery b/f. It could just be an attempt to rattle the individual concerned, I suppose.

Her husband, Peter, who separated from her several years ago, is spending the day giving interviews appealing for a breakthrough. The couple are to re-check their and their daughter's diaries to see if entries shed light on the new information.
Claudia Lawrence detectives reveal new information on disappearance
Would the police have given back her diaries even then ?
 
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I hadn't considered the possibility of the theory put forward here at 27.40 (27 minutes and 40 seconds).


The theory speculated within that video is that several of Claudia's lovers got together and planned her fate in a pre-meditated murder plan. Seems far fetched but also I guess is entirely possible. Anything is possible. JMO.
 
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So could his work be shift work ?
For him to be out that late ? Or on holiday

Or he could’ve been unemployed at the time. I had a friend who went through a long period of unemployment but he managed to go out nearly every Monday night due to it being much cheaper for drinks than the weekend! Lots of student deals on, especially in a University city like York.
 
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I hadn't considered the possibility of the theory put forward here at 27.40 (27 minutes and 40 seconds).


The theory speculated within that video is that several of Claudia's lovers got together and planned her fate in a pre-meditated murder plan. Seems far fetched but also I guess is entirely possible. Anything is possible. JMO.
No fhs ...keep it simple ... find the mystery boyfriend and you’ll find the killer imo
 
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I hadn't considered the possibility of the theory put forward here at 27.40 (27 minutes and 40 seconds).


The theory speculated within that video is that several of Claudia's lovers got together and planned her fate in a pre-meditated murder plan. Seems far fetched but also I guess is entirely possible. Anything is possible. JMO.

The theory that more than one person was involved has been suggested by a number of tv crime investigators/former cops.
 
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Or he could’ve been unemployed at the time. I had a friend who went through a long period of unemployment but he managed to go out nearly every Monday night due to it being much cheaper for drinks than the weekend! Lots of student deals on, especially in a University city like York.
Not sure any of her friends were unemployed though - she was generally known to frequent with older men with money.
 
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