UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, York University, 18 March 2009 - Chef - #2

[Yozzer]

Unless she was known to have bought something to eat for that night at a local shop and there is no evidence of that.

Which also leads back to bin contents. Most food comes in wrappers these days. I guess this is basic police work which they have covered.

Dai Malyn has said it was either meticulously planned or someone got lucky in avoiding detection. Yet when you think how much time elapsed, there was plenty of time to cover tracks.

 

[MajorLang]

Ue

Which also leads back to bin contents. Most food comes in wrappers these days.

Dai Malyn has said it was either meticulously planned or someone got lucky in avoiding detection. Yet when you think how much time elapsed, there was plenty of time to cover tracks.

s it transpired there was sufficient time-But anyone could have reported her unusual missing from work from 6 am and so they were probably working to that as a deadline

 

[Yozzer]

anyone could have reported her unusual missing from work from 6 am and so they were probably working to that as a deadline

Ah good point Major.

I wonder if 'mac man' with full head of grey hair seen outside CL's house around 06.45 on 19th March looking dishevelled was involved in clearing up the crime scene?

Also, doesn't alley man appear to have grey hair?

 

[Pinkizzy]

A similar Ford Focus is parked on the driveway opposite CL's house in the 2009 googlemaps; at one of the properties that was searched by police, being the home of PR and JK. Potentially, it was slowing to park. I do think NYP put out appeals to bait responses or see if the people being sought, in some cases known to them, come forward. When they don't, and they are supposedly 'close friends' of CL, it is a red flag to police. After all, doesn't everybody know everyone by name in Heworth?

I reckon that the light coloured Ford was a visitor to the house - it is visible in googlemaps 2009 but is absent in googlemaps 2008

 

[Yozzer]

I reckon that the light coloured Ford was a visitor to the house - it is visible in googlemaps 2009 but is absent in googlemaps 2008

True. There is another Ford Focus though in 2008 - a blue one parked on the drive of the property which is also present in October 2009.

 

[Kiri]

@Kiri Do you have another link as this one appears to be broken?

You have to join the group on fb to see it....then search in the page for whatever it is you wish...I searched for 'Jen' and found her response to the arrest of the 4 ie not the correct avenue for police to go down etc.

 

[Kiri]

@Pinkizzy Many thanks-Classic error of mine. I wonder if you can help. I read a blog from the german barmaid on a website called "Meium" who worked at Nags Head up to December 2008 and in the blog she mentioned a posting on Reddit from a user Union_jane who mentioned that there was a discussion around CL appearing in a DVD with 4 others who wore masks to conceal their identity. Sounds very relevant and if not a coincidence is a concern. Do you know of this?

It has a link to it within page 24 of this thread i believe...but if it's true or not is another matter!

 

[MajorLang]

Yes
Just to clarify
2008 and 2009
Blue Ford Focus and smaller red car
Both showing inside front wall of house

In one of the Years photos, other cars parked in the driveway leading up to house look like visitors.

 

[MajorLang]

You have to join the group on fb to see it....then search in the page for whatever it is you wish...I searched for 'Jen' and found her response to the arrest of the 4 ie not the correct avenue for police to go down etc.

Thanks @Kiri. I will try this

 

[MajorLang]

Yeah I for sure thinks he knows her, its just hard to believe someone who was already acting shifty behind her house one evening (the stopping when he saw another person, you seriously dont do that unless you dont want anyone to see you) and for him to go back again at 10 past 5 in the morning is baffling, I mean who does that.. she then disappears into thin air the next day.

So my two theories are the one I mentioned previous about her being collected by a lover (guy who breaks outside her house) and he did away with her when he was driving her after an argument.

Or this guy behind the house, he is also a lover, or someone who one of her lovers has sent to do away with her and hes been stalking her movements. Maybe the evening time didn't sit right with him, the fact he seemed edge when that person walked past, and then thought first thing in the morning when she is headed to work is a better opportunity with no people around, he does the same again and checks the back again for lights, bingo shes getting ready.. he lays in wait for her to leave and drags her into a car.

This would be a very risky strategy. Grabbing her in from of her own house where even at that time in the morning she would have resisted and screamed. Too many neighbours who would have heard that

 

[MajorLang]

Something I also just thought about this mystery guy, 7.15pm in very late March, I would say its light enough outside to not have your house lights on inside. I know the video looks like its darker but I think that is the street lights making it appear as if its darker than it is. So if she was home, yet didnt have her lights on it could have appeared to the guy that she wasnt at home and thats why he came back in the morning when he knew for sure she would be there because she was going to work.

Sunset time for 18th March 6:15. Depending on weather and light conditions, it would probably mean that in most cases lights would need to be in if person was in a room

 

[MajorLang]

the brushing teeth came from the fact they reported her electric toothbrush was found by the sink in the kitchen.They think she dyed her hair as they found hair dye kit in the bathroom that had recently been used,they think recently.It was a suggestion that maybe as she was brushing her teeth in the bathroom she had to answer the door or phone or something similar so took the toothbrush down stairs..it was just an odd place to leave it as its charger was in the bathroom..could be she was just in a rush in the morning and was multitasking having breakfast and brushing teeth in the kitchen.
the guy in the cctv didnt have long at the back of the house as i walked it and with the time given he was down to 15/20 seconds at the rear of the house before he reappeared back in view.it doesnt give much time to do anything,like as said maybe just checking to see if anyone in or if she was in then a quick conversation and then he was away.he would have had just enough time to walk into the house ,grab something then leave,the time he had was short.

Do we know as a fact that the charger for the toothbrush was in the bathroom? Some bathrooms don't have pier points for safety reasons. Can you confirm where the mention of bathroom charger point was mentioned?

 

[MajorLang]

i still am suspicious that something happened to her in the pub..the police had a more than fleeting interest in 2 public houses..the cctv of the car approaching her house and breaking is still a mystery.i calculated its speed and it was around 28 mph whne it got to the 20mph zone and the brake lights came on but then as i belive,with the reflected light in the house window opposite ,pulled across the road to outside her house..could of course just been overtaking something ie parked car.
the dna the police got from the cigarette proved to be of no use so far...its odd she didnt reply to the last text she got

Yes. What concerns me about the police is that they don't mention if the car then disappeared here or stopped for a time. Had it slowed, picked someone up and moved on. It would have been picked up at next CVTV camera at end of Heworth road. It may have gone to Nags head car park. My view is it was slowing up because as you say it was entering a 29 mph zone and the road surface colour changed. Could have been a cautious motorist?

 

[MajorLang]

Apparently CL mother said she would have reported to police earlier. But she didn't do?? I think that her dad was correct and dismissed the arguing couple. Personally that was either staged by culprits or even an argument between culprits

 

[MajorLang]

cant they just survey the areas that have a possibility of hiding a body.to me theres not many in the area having driven round it..most areas have too much people/houses round them to be practical burial areas...if the ide she is under concrete then now that time has passed decomposition will have caused a bigger target to see on gpr

The culprit(s) would as a priority want to move the body to a location away from site if murder in case it was found. The car park if Nags at rear would mean that no one could be pinned to suspicion. There are many rivers flowing into Ouse at York-Derwent. Wing one and if body was moved in two stages there is no reason why this could not be moved to anywhere.

 

[MajorLang]

I reckon she was not at home when her mum called her on the evening before she disappeared. The TV was on in the background and she was on her mobile so I guess she could be at a friend's house or pub.

I agree with you @Pinkizzy
My only thoughts are that if she left her house by car, a friend picking her up. She would not be detected on CVTV if the car was not of particular interest to police.
However, if she went on foot, then if she went towards the Limes and that end of Heworth Road or towards the other end of Heworth road, again she would be picked up by Cost cutter camera.

However. This is what I am warming to:

1
She met someone who had a car and was parked out of the way in Nags Head car park
2
She went to someone's house that was inside of the area of the two cameras
The Limes and Cost cutter-Her direct neighbourhood.

Now

If she went to Nags then someone would have said "Yes she was in here tonight" And the police interviewed many from the pub.

So
Did she get a discreet life from someone within her close neighbourhood
Or

Did she go to a neighbours house?

 

[MajorLang]

Agree with this. thought perhaps she brought the toothbrush downstairs, intending to take it out with her, then forgot it when she actually left the house.

Or someone returned it to the house afterwards as part of the cover up?

 

[MajorLang]

I have just signed up after reading this thread. Here is what I think has happened to Claudia.

York has two major Army Barracks, Queen Elizabeth Barracks and Imphal Barracks.

I think she was an escort of sorts or in a financially beneficial relationship with a senior army Officer, York has a big military presence and military people love their ‘bits on the side’ so to speak.

I think that Claudia has demanded substantially more money from the said Officer to keep the relationship quiet and not tell the Officer’s wife.

Rather than just pay up and keep her quiet, he has murdered her and ditched her body (in the River Ouse, possibly)

Squaddies tend to not be in the same location and areas for very long periods due to postings etc and will probably be long gone from York.

I think an Officer has the ability, knowledge and influence to keep the crime quiet.

That’s my theory..I look forward to your thoughts on this.

@fredieDogg what is the source of your theory. The army haven't been mentioned before. Why would it be an army officer?

It is highly unlikely that she was an escort as the police know almost all who operate via their vice connections

 

[MajorLang]

If

I think it was Tockwith. Her phone pinged within a nine mile radius area from the Uni. Basically her killer switched off her phone after her boss called .

you were going to move the body or phone to an area further away or were concerned that it could be traced, you would turn it off as the phone was only turned off over 2 hours after the call from her manager, it may have been because it had started to receive more taxes and calls or because the culprit was on the move

Hi Kiri, yes I also thought the work colleague info coming a year later was odd. Also read the book, a few times over in places!

Her colleague who mentions her comments about being out all night are interesting coming a year later. I must admit that this evidence changed my view and had me thinking that perhaps on the evening of 18th she may have had a second meeting with new man. I admit to "being thrown off the scent here" it would be so easy to relay CL comments a year later when you know that she is unlikely to return.

 

[MajorLang]

Feb 16 2019
Missing chef Claudia Lawrence's best pal tells of heartbreaking 10-year search
"It is a recurring dream that has haunted Jen King for the last 10 years. Her missing friend Claudia Lawrence strolls back through the door of their local one night.

And she is full of remorse for vanishing without trace.

“Claudia kind of goes all coy as she tries to explain where she’s been – and she says to me, ‘Well, you know, it just spiralled out of control’, says Jen.

“And then I wake up and realise it’s not true. If only it was. I don’t think for one moment she’s responsible for herself going missing, but that’s what it’s like in my dream.”
"The friends met in 2006 when Jen started working as a barmaid at the Nags Head, a few doors from Claudia’s home in Heworth.

“The following year I ended up moving in with her when a relationship ended,” says Jen, who slips into the present tense from time to time as she talks of the pal she misses so much."

"Jen last saw Claudia at the Nags Head just three days before she went missing.

She says: “We’d all been in the pub for Cheltenham Day on the Friday before she disappeared. We had both been drunk. She had beer fear. If she’d been drinking she was always worried she’d done something to upset someone. She never had."
“The last text she sent was saying she had a row of 12 early start shifts and how she wasn’t going to have a life for a bit. I think she was walking to work that morning and something happened. Either she was snatched or coerced into a vehicle.”

Interesting-Why do people think that she would have walked to work in the morning when the same cameras that caught her walking home the afternoon before did not catch her walking to work the next day?

Also
Is this just inaccurate reporting by media.
In this article it states that Jen last saw Claudia "3 days before she went missing"- According to most people CL went missing on 19th. Or last day seen was 18th.

Cheltenham day was Friday 13th March 2009

3 days would be Monday 13th March and by all accounts the last day Claudia was in Nags Head was Cheltenham Day 13th..

May just be bad reporting???