UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #1

[JamesKing]

There is no CCTV after the alley past Greggs.

It leads to Cannon Street and down to the roundabout.

 

[Edinlass]

There will be CCTV but there is none of Corrie. He has to have been picked up by some mode of transport I can't see any other possible way he wouldn't have been seen on any other CCTV anywhere in this vicinty! People do not just vanish into thin air...

 

[JamesKing]

Ed

There is "no" CCTV in that area. I have checked.

Again... the elephant in he room is...

1 This guy is dead. So where is his body ?
2. Where was he killed ?

The police need to "up their game" somewhat.
This family are in hell. They need to see "what is what".

 

[JamesKing]

"I will be on itv good morning tomorrow morning. Hopefully this may answer some of the questions that are being asked. There should also be something on BBC 2 on Victoria Derbyshire in the morning. Tony will be putting an update on here too hopefully explain everything from start to now"

No idea what that means !

 

[JamesKing]

What is in the "last CCTV" (unreleased) pictures ?

He is sober as a judge ?
He is banjo'd but on two feet ?
He is on all fours ?
A mate arrived

 

[suzyjackson]

Thanks for all the posts overnight, I won't clutter my reply up by quoting them all but sadly, I agree with JamesKing, it's now a case of finding Corrie's body.

The information about disappearing behind Greggs just adds to the mystery for me. There was a post, I think from a family member, on the facebook group that said that the CCTV cameras aren't all fixed and it would be possible to miss someone moving it the timing was such that the camera was pointed the wrong way but it seems extremely unlikely that this would be the case for every camera in the town centre even if Corrie had moved from behind Greggs without being seen.

It will be obvious from the cameras if Corre was followed and there was some kind of mugging gone bad so I'm going to assume that wasn't the case, there's no suggestion that I've seen that there is any illegal drug involvement so no bad reaction or sudden death from that which leaves us imo still with a tragic accident (getting stuck in a bin or similar) or someone who was already behind the building doing something and then everyone disappearing.

I just don't know what to think

 

[suzyjackson]

http://www.itv.com/goodmorningbrita...orrie-mckeague-somebody-else-must-be-involved

 

[suzyjackson]

@suzyjackson

Would they ?

That bike went missing.
The appeal for it came AFTER Corries disappearance. The robbery was "well before".

Is the bike to do with the victim OR the aggressor ?

http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news/bike-stolen-in-bury-st-edmunds-1-7606386

I was wondering generally about a bike theft, I didn't know about any specific ones.

If a bike was involved my guess would be that maybe a drunk person sees a bike, thinks it would a quicker way to get home than walking, has no lights, gets lost, hit by car .... You can guess the rest

 

[Lolly85x]

Tragic to see his mum on TV this morning, she is trying to be so strong but you can see she is broken inside.

So she said on the TV as linked above that it would have been very difficult for him to go anyway and not be on CCTV.

So I need to have a look on streetview and try and get my head around where he was last seen.

My questions if anyone knows...

Behind shop right, like a loading bay? Does this only have 1 enterance and 1 exit - this is where he was seen on CCTV?

The bin was emptied at 4am - and by the looks of it this is where is phone was? In the bin. But it cannot be located now?

Did they know they phone was in the bin before it was dumped?

Also they have said about him not being in the bin because it it's weight recognised.

Did he perhaps get a lift from the bin lorry?

Sadly I don't think we will find him alive, I do belive this is now to recover his body.

Accident or foul play - im leaning towards accident.

 

[mrazda71]

Just going on what we know, this seems impossible, to just vanish.

He was seen going into delivery area but not out. It could be that whatever happened to him happened in the delivery area? Is there cctv OF the delivery area? Surely it would be ON camera then? Could he have been attacked etc IN the delivery area and the attacker threw his phone in the bin - bins emptied - by the time the bin lorry was searched days after Corrie was last seen, SURELY it would've emptied it's contents at a land fill etc so corries phone could be at landfill?

Part of me thinks that IF, if someone killed Corrie by accident, hit him with vehicle etc then surely they'd come forward after this much publicity but then I think of poor Ben Needham, his poor poor family suffering all these years and that person who is now believed to have accidentally killed Ben, kept quite and let that family for decades, believe that Ben had likely been kidnapped and COULD be alive...

 

[Gene Hunt]

Settling ponds for the Sugar beet processing plant nearby?

 

[suzyjackson]

Tragic to see his mum on TV this morning, she is trying to be so strong but you can see she is broken inside.

So she said on the TV as linked above that it would have been very difficult for him to go anyway and not be on CCTV.

So I need to have a look on streetview and try and get my head around where he was last seen.

My questions if anyone knows...

Behind shop right, like a loading bay? Does this only have 1 enterance and 1 exit - this is where he was seen on CCTV?

The bin was emptied at 4am - and by the looks of it this is where is phone was? In the bin. But it cannot be located now?

Did they know they phone was in the bin before it was dumped?

Also they have said about him not being in the bin because it it's weight recognised.

Did he perhaps get a lift from the bin lorry?

Sadly I don't think we will find him alive, I do belive this is now to recover his body.

Accident or foul play - im leaning towards accident.

Good to see you helping with this one Lolly

It's a real puzzle particularly the phone pings.

Originally the police though the phone had been picked up by the bin lorry in a collection from a bin but haven't been able to find any trace of it. I too wondered up thead if Corrie had jumped on the back of the lorry, no confirmation or otherwise on this but my guess is there would be CCTV somewhere along the route that might have caught him if that's what happened

I haven't had a chance to look at the new area on streetview yet but I have a vague memory of another instance of a young man going missing after a night out and being eventually found in a similar loading area but not after such a kong time had passed. It's hard to imagine he could be somewhere that hasn't been searched yet but we all know that strange things do happen with missing people sadly

 

[JamesKing]

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/.../5/Bury St Edmunds.pdf




There are 61 Council CCTV cameras in Bury St Edmunds
(According to that website above)
Only 1 could have picked Corrie it. And it did.


The passage way that is being referred to is the pedestrianised passage way between Greenwoods and Greggs


From his position at the doorway


https://goo.gl/maps/u9tQ7azEwYP2


From the opposite end


https://goo.gl/maps/cRV6CjrJfJ62




This short, wide passage way comes out into "Short Brackland" and you would be standing at the corner of the Cornhill Shopping Centre.


From there you have two options.


1. Continue down the pedestrianised walk way, walking past McDonald's and come out at Well Street
2. Or turn and walk along side the shopping centre and down Short Brackland.


As Well Street again joins Short Brackland, I would image Corrie's plan was to take Option Two ....and walk down past the shopping centre.
I imagine he was heading for Cannon Street and then "northwards".


The VERY ODD thing is, the "bin lorry" AND "his mobile phone" both ended up in the Barton Mills area. And both had been in exactly the same spot in Bury St Edmunds at roughly the same time.


He walked to that area at 3.24am
And the bin lorry collected rubbish at the rear of Greggs at 4.00am


That has to be "more than just a coincidence".

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Tragic to see his mum on TV this morning, she is trying to be so strong but you can see she is broken inside.

So she said on the TV as linked above that it would have been very difficult for him to go anyway and not be on CCTV.

So I need to have a look on streetview and try and get my head around where he was last seen.

My questions if anyone knows...

Behind shop right, like a loading bay? Does this only have 1 enterance and 1 exit - this is where he was seen on CCTV?

The bin was emptied at 4am - and by the looks of it this is where is phone was? In the bin. But it cannot be located now?

Did they know they phone was in the bin before it was dumped?

Also they have said about him not being in the bin because it it's weight recognised.

Did he perhaps get a lift from the bin lorry?

Sadly I don't think we will find him alive, I do belive this is now to recover his body.

Accident or foul play - im leaning towards accident.

My guess, and it still isn't completely explicit, is the loading bay/behind shops is in Short Brackland. This is one way in/out for vehicles (a bin lorry can go down toward McDonald's I think) but three ways on foot. The streetview pic below shows for me two possible CCTV cameras. One above Greenwoods on the right (this would be the one to see him walk down there) and maybe another that could be a dummy or not working above the silver Ford Focus on the cream painted building pointing directly at the red bins.

My question: Is it fact the bin was emptied/picked up at 04:00? That is the exact time the Police say his phone left bury on the bin lorry route. Right now I can't see past the the bin lorry if the above is true.

 

[suzyjackson]

My guess, and it still isn't completely explicit, is the loading bay/behind shops is in Short Brackland. This is one way in/out for vehicles (a bin lorry can go down toward McDonald's I think) but three ways on foot. The streetview pic below shows for me two possible CCTV cameras. One above Greenwoods on the right (this would be the one to see him walk down there) and maybe another that could be a dummy or not working above the silver Ford Focus on the cream painted building pointing directly at the red bins.

My question: Is it fact the bin was emptied/picked up at 04:00? That is the exact time the Police say his phone left bury on the bin lorry route. Right now I can't see past the the bin lorry if the above is true.

I also notice the bike racks in your photo

 

[JamesKing]

The timeline seems "straight forward". At least for the phone.


3.24 Precisely CCTV of Corrie leaving the doorway heading to "loading bay".
4.00 Approx. Bin collection in "loading bay".
4.30 Approx. Bin lorry triggers motion camera in Barton Mills.


Occam, and his shaving implement, would say the phone was in the bin, being that the phone takes approx. half an hour (28 minutes) to get from Bury to Barton AND both Corrie with his phone were in the exact same place as the bin lorry.


The next logical step is to ask, who put/placed/carried the phone into the bin ?
And the simplest solution (at 3.25am in the morning) is that he did, when he clambered into the bin.


Since the phone hasn't been found "at the most logical place it could be", then neither would Corrie.


The biggest problem with that "solution" is, "surely to God, being emptied into a bin lorry from a bin would wake up the most drunk of sleeping beauties" .


Out of interest....what did Corrie do with the remains of his take-away ? The rubbish bit ?
He didn't put his phone in that bin with his rubbish did he ???

 

[JamesKing]

This sounds a bit stupid...but I'll throw it into the mix....


Did the police weigh the right bin lorry ?



For example. The bin that was collected behind Greggs was "waste paper". Now would be classed as "recyclable". That would be a "specific bin lorry". A different bin lorry to the one that would collect, say "glass", or "general waste".


There are "four of five" Biffa bins at the back of those shops. I suspect "one for each type of rubbish". So that'll be "four or five" different Biffa bin lorries going up there to collect "one different bin".


Now the bin lorry in question had been weighed. But, I assume, not by the police. Corrie wasn't reported missing until Tuesday. So I guess it was weighed on a weigh-bridge somewhere. Maybe at the depot. Maybe at the recycling company.


Being that "rubbish" will be either "charged for" or "paid for" in some way shape or form (by either the "recycling company" or by "the disposal company"), then I suspect the weight was recorded at the time it reached it's final destination. Maybe at the recycling depot.


Now, how can I put this. Well, I live in a country where they use "communal bins". Each bin has its specific rubbish type. Glass, plastics, paper, organic etc. The bins in some areas can be a bit "spread apart". And I have seen a few people, who probably couldn't be bothered with the "faff", dumping their paper in the organic one !


I wouldn't imagine or suggested that a refuse collecting company would do that, but it is possible.


Anyway... a quick clip from YouTube.
It claims to show a refuse collection company, collecting "recyclables" and putting them in the "general waste" bin lorry.




It's accompanied by some annoying music, so turn the sound down !

[video=youtube;Y_yBRO_t6hI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_yBRO_t6hI[/video]

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The biggest problem with that "solution" is, "surely to God, being emptied into a bin lorry from a bin would wake up the most drunk of sleeping beauties" .

Not necessarily. Some rubbish, such as paper/cardboard/packaging and general household waste, is compactable. Those bin lorries have a hydraulic compacting mechanism inside which drops down and drags or pushes the newly deposited material towards the cab. There have been cases of drunks being tipped into the back of a bin lorry and either crushed by the mechanism of suffocated by the materials compacted around them.

If he woke in the bin he'd be startled and disoriented by being tipped out. He may not have had chance to gather his wits about him and shout out in time, and even if he did he might not be heard over the noise of the mechanism.

 

[JamesKing]

As mentioned above, the fact that it was weighed, suggests it was on a "weigh-bridge" somewhere.
But where ? The depot ? A recycling centre ?


The "calculations" are a bit strange. It was carrying "15kgs" of waste paper.
What does that look like I wonder ?



Airlines allow 20kg of "hold luggage", so I guess "five kilos smaller than a suitcase" if it was compacted.


It seems a bit odd, a "big bin lorry" was carrying just "15kgs" of waste paper at 4.00am in the morning. Are they saying, that a bin lorry, driving round a fair sized U.K. town, collected just under 15kgs of waste paper ! And "all that" out of pretty big, commercial sized "dumpsters" ?


Maybe it just collected that one bin. I suppose Gregg's could generate 15Kgs of waste paper in one day.


I think the "bin lorry" angle needs to be explored.



Corrie was seen entering an alley and was not seen leaving it. And 30 minutes later a bin lorry entered and left it. His mobile phone followed the same route as the bin lorry....and at the same time. Coincidence ?


There were "no official searches" for him when he went missing on the 24th of September. He was reported missing on the 27th of September. And the police seized the bin lorry on the 3rd of October. We are talking nine full days until the police start looking at the bin lorry...and the records of that vehicle.


I'm no policeman, but I think I would be focusing on the bin lorry....and "all and every" scenario that surrounds "it being involved".


From him "being in the dumpster".
To him "hitching a ride from it" or "jumping on the back of it".
Or even "him being hit by it".

 

[Amonet]

Okay, to brainstorm with this post, not to trash the post as I think it's good.

Either the phone was in the bin OR Corrie (who went into that loading bay area but is never seen by CCTV as coming out of it) jumped on the back of the truck with his phone.

The load was measured at 11kg, suitable weight for a pickup of a bin of paper, but not for a grown man. Therefore, Corrie was not in that bin and not emptied into the bin. That he didn't get emptied out of the bin lorry at the other end (and they can't seem to tie the phone to the emptied load), says Corrie was not in the bin, and maybe the phone wasn't in the bin, but was on Corrie's person while he was otherwise attached to the lorry.

The phone makes it to approximately Barton Mills, from the pings. Barton Mills is also approximately the location that the bin lorry went to, and where its load was emptied. Phone not found there, Corrie not found there.

Corrie could have hopped off the bin lorry (with or without his phone) before the lorry drove into the recycling centre. If he was without his phone, then the phone should have been found either in the load or by someone in the recycling centre. Maybe he still had the phone on his person when he jumped off the lorry.

Corrie jumps from the back of the lorry (or falls asleep again and slips off?) ... is hit by a car, body goes into a ditch, the phone battery is still alive and pinging that location until the battery goes dead at around 8 am.

Which is all neat and tidy, except for the fact that the searchers haven't found either the phone or Corrie in the vicinity of the last ping.

The timeline seems "straight forward". At least for the phone.


3.24 Precisely CCTV of Corrie leaving the doorway heading to "loading bay".
4.00 Approx. Bin collection in "loading bay".
4.30 Approx. Bin lorry triggers motion camera in Barton Mills.


Occam, and his shaving implement, would say the phone was in the bin, being that the phone takes approx. half an hour (28 minutes) to get from Bury to Barton AND both Corrie with his phone were in the exact same place as the bin lorry.


The next logical step is to ask, who put/placed/carried the phone into the bin ?
And the simplest solution (at 3.25am in the morning) is that he did, when he clambered into the bin.


Since the phone hasn't been found "at the most logical place it could be", then neither would Corrie.


The biggest problem with that "solution" is, "surely to God, being emptied into a bin lorry from a bin would wake up the most drunk of sleeping beauties" .


Out of interest....what did Corrie do with the remains of his take-away ? The rubbish bit ?
He didn't put his phone in that bin with his rubbish did he ???