UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #1

[JamesKing]

Taxi wouldnt take him if he was obviously p****d though?

Wanna bet !

I speak from experience.
Taxi's will take you anywhere, if you're not going to throw your guts out along the way.
Or if you're carting food. They see it as "the same thing".
Being "pissed as a monk" is fine.

 

[Amonet]

the Death t shirt guy said they shared pizza and a hug in Mamma Mia he posted it on that fb page and that they hadnt argued, he was also playing rock, scissor, stones in there. Sounds like he had sobered up but then was unsteady on his feet on cctv after that. His Mum said he didnt MEAN to fall asleep in the doorway, maybe he didnt mean to fall asleep again later so you cant discount he didnt due to alcohol? Maybe he didnt NEED another sleep but look up alcohol poisoning, he hasnt control over his brain or body to quite an extent. Say he has no money, no phone, feels ill, disorientated... What does he do at 3.30am? What would you do in that situation?

Puke and collapse on the ground somewhere in the loading bay, where the bin men would find me half an hour later.

He didn't do that, so, I agree that he's been in the doorway eating his takeaway, felt drowsy and drifted off. Maybe he was hoping one of his mates would pass and he could get a lift back with them, but he didn't see anyone and he'd drifted off anyway. He wakes up freezing cold (as attested by his body language on the CCTV of him near the loading bay) and thinking:

I've missed my mates so I'm not going to get a lift from/with them now

I need a wee

I'm cold

I think I'm thirsty after a slice of pizza and a kebab. So maybe I want to go to an all night supermarket or garage to buy a bottle of water

I'm still too high blood alcohol levels to drive. I either want a lift home or I want to go back to my car and at least snooze in there until 8 am when I can call a mate on the base to come pick me up (because I don't have the money for a taxi)

 

[mandarama]

Yes I've definitely been in a taxi drunk and I think as long as you're not aggressive or about to vomit they'll take you, probably not many fares out late Friday night who aren't the worse for wear.

 

[Horrace123]

The taxi rank is very close to flex. If he turns right instead of going straight towards the bins he is headed for the rank. Its 200 metres away.

Also he only had an hour or hour and a half of drinking. Then food and sleep. He wasnt battered.

I dont think he was intending to go home to base.

Like you say earlier he does a strange look back and then a 'trying to look casual' stroll to the shadows where the bins are. This could be awol.

 

[Tricksy]

Never been to Bury. Where is the nearest taxi rank ? As in "used taxi rank at that time of night" ?

Nearest taxi rank is to the left of the Cornhill Exchange (now Weatherspoons) and taxi are there at 3:30am on a Friday night/Saturday morning.

As long as you didn't look like you were passed out or likely to puke, they would still take you home.

 

[Lolabear]

The taxi rank is very close to flex. If he turns right instead of going straight towards the bins he is headed for the rank. Its 200 metres away.

Also he only had an hour or hour and a half of drinking. Then food and sleep. He wasnt battered.

I dont think he was intending to go home to base.

Like you say earlier he does a strange look back and then a 'trying to look casual' stroll to the shadows where the bins are. This could be awol.

I don't think he would've upped and left his puppy locked in his room if he wasn't planning on returning.

 

[Lolabear]

In fact, talking of the puppy...did nobody hear it barking and crying of loneliness and hunger all weekend??? Poor thing must've been scratching at the door and barking to go out surely

 

[Edinlass]

No-one knows for sure what a persons frame of mind is...close family members to close friends to absolute strangers. Therefore the 'not leaving his puppy' statement means nothing, especially if he knew people would be around to look out for it if they perhaps had done in the past when he was out a weekend!

I think maybe one of his RAF mates would have looked after the puppy the Sunday maybe thinking Corrie had met a girl / still out. The alarm was only raised when he didn't turn up for duty the Monday. Still find that even strange, if I never heard from a friend in more than 24 hours and they had left the club / chucked out the club alone and their phone was off I would be seriously worried! Boys will be boys tho and they are different to girls that way.

 

[JamesKing]

Nearest taxi rank is to the left of the Cornhill Exchange (now Weatherspoons) and taxi are there at 3:30am on a Friday night/Saturday morning.

As long as you didn't look like you were passed out or likely to puke, they would still take you home.

Better answer than "Horace" as it's nearer than Flex to where he is ?
And you could have just hit on something......

.....the taxi rank is "filled" or "full ish" with cars at 3.30am ? As in "no fares to go to, no office calling with a fare" ?

Where is the nearest "CCTV" that covers that rank ? Is it covered by CCTV ? It must be ?

I have been in "small towns". Trying to get a cab is a nightmare.
Even the ranks are empty.

Anyone thought of "a fake cab". Or rather a "fake private hire" car ?

 

[Horrace123]

I don't think he would've upped and left his puppy locked in his room if he wasn't planning on returning.

Yes good point. Scrap that. Just get carried away because its so weird.

I was just a few metres from the area with the bins on that saturday morning at 6.30am on my way to work. I wish id known i would have checked if he'd done a wee round there. Even something as simple as that would shed light.

 

[Ruthbullock]

I watched the cc tv when first released and I think I was swayed by other people's comments. Today I watched them with fresh eyes. Corrie seems to me to be hanging around on the off chance he would catch up with his mates. He got kicked out went for food and sat in a doorway dozing fairly close to the club. He sends a text, just after kicking out time, hangs around waiting for his mates doesn't see them and makes a jog towards a taxi rank. I don't think he looked drunk then, just a bit nippy and he looked like he was looking for someone around when he stopped. Seems random that he stopped and told a homeless man that he was walking home, but if he did maybe he was joking "yeah if I can't find my mates I will be walking home" rather than actually stopping and telling a stranger how he was getting home. What gets me is the first cc tv footage - look at his elbows, particularly his right elbow. He is holding something with his elbow stuck out, that he drops and picks back up. Think about how you eat and compare that movement with holding a mobile. I think he was trying (and may have given up) to make a phone call. Nobody I know holds their arms up that high to eat - someone on facebook suggested he tipped his head back to eat and that's why his elbow is so high (again that seems unnatural). Was he trying to phone his friends to tell them he would wait for them and then sat down dozing in his drunken haze until his phone pinged from his brother? The whole thing as a big picture genuinely looks like someone not wanting to walk home, but more inclined to hang around and share the taxi fare back. If he is trying to use his phone and dropped it when drunk earlier on, stooping (but not stumbling) to pick it up, it is really unlikely he would drop it and not notice when he is more sober, eaten and had a snooze. There is something so odd about this, and his mates from camp must know his usual going out routines and the way he would walk back (even just to a taxi rank). He has been there three years, he will have been out numerous times every month and it will always play out the same way (unless he pulled). Did he drive his friends to bury do we know, or was he on a solitary night out hoping to bump into someone? So many unanswered questions...

 

[hermes&&]

I would think it's relatievly easy to be certain one way or the other about a body in the landfill. It's my understanding that records are kept of where rubbish is put within the landfill each day, does anyone kmow for sure if that's the case?

Yes that is the case. They would know precisely where that days rubbish was tipped.

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[Edinlass]

Honestly, with all the half truths and sometimes totally false statements that we have heard I wouldn't be surprised if the bin lorry was just a tactic to put out there so people still concentrate on it a month later. Sure worked *hint of sarcasm*.....

 

[ByTheRiver]

The taxi rank is very close to flex. If he turns right instead of going straight towards the bins he is headed for the rank. Its 200 metres away.

Also he only had an hour or hour and a half of drinking. Then food and sleep. He wasnt battered.

I dont think he was intending to go home to base.

Like you say earlier he does a strange look back and then a 'trying to look casual' stroll to the shadows where the bins are. This could be awol.

Uncle Tony said he was very drunk. So drunk he got chucked out Flex and so drunk he fell asleep but didnt mean to Mum says.

 

[Edinlass]

Problem is for uncle tony to know that without doubt he would have had to have seen on CCTV / had witness accounts from flex. Possible but again intentional information being kept from the public!

Arrrrrrrgh, I wanna scream! Poor family, this has me absolutely baffled cannot begin to understand how they must be feeling!

 

[Horrace123]

I watched the cc tv when first released and I think I was swayed by other people's comments. Today I watched them with fresh eyes. Corrie seems to me to be hanging around on the off chance he would catch up with his mates. He got kicked out went for food and sat in a doorway dozing fairly close to the club. He sends a text, just after kicking out time, hangs around waiting for his mates doesn't see them and makes a jog towards a taxi rank. I don't think he looked drunk then, just a bit nippy and he looked like he was looking for someone around when he stopped. Seems random that he stopped and told a homeless man that he was walking home, but if he did maybe he was joking "yeah if I can't find my mates I will be walking home" rather than actually stopping and telling a stranger how he was getting home. What gets me is the first cc tv footage - look at his elbows, particularly his right elbow. He is holding something with his elbow stuck out, that he drops and picks back up. Think about how you eat and compare that movement with holding a mobile. I think he was trying (and may have given up) to make a phone call. Nobody I know holds their arms up that high to eat - someone on facebook suggested he tipped his head back to eat and that's why his elbow is so high (again that seems unnatural). Was he trying to phone his friends to tell them he would wait for them and then sat down dozing in his drunken haze until his phone pinged from his brother? The whole thing as a big picture genuinely looks like someone not wanting to walk home, but more inclined to hang around and share the taxi fare back. If he is trying to use his phone and dropped it when drunk earlier on, stooping (but not stumbling) to pick it up, it is really unlikely he would drop it and not notice when he is more sober, eaten and had a snooze. There is something so odd about this, and his mates from camp must know his usual going out routines and the way he would walk back (even just to a taxi rank). He has been there three years, he will have been out numerous times every month and it will always play out the same way (unless he pulled). Did he drive his friends to bury do we know, or was he on a solitary night out hoping to bump into someone? So many unanswered questions...

If he wanted to get a taxi he would get the kebab and then go back the way he came towards the rank. When his friends came out of flex eventually, they would go to the taxi rank. Why would corrie hang around on the wrong side of town. Theres even a kebab place right near flex. It doesnt look like he was planning a taxi at any stage.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Tricksy, Horrace, ByTheRiver, jslk - you're all local to Bury I think? Anyone else?

There are dozens of guests reading tonight, please join us, local input is so welcome!

 

[Lolabear]

I watched the cc tv when first released and I think I was swayed by other people's comments. Today I watched them with fresh eyes. Corrie seems to me to be hanging around on the off chance he would catch up with his mates. He got kicked out went for food and sat in a doorway dozing fairly close to the club. He sends a text, just after kicking out time, hangs around waiting for his mates doesn't see them and makes a jog towards a taxi rank. I don't think he looked drunk then, just a bit nippy and he looked like he was looking for someone around when he stopped. Seems random that he stopped and told a homeless man that he was walking home, but if he did maybe he was joking "yeah if I can't find my mates I will be walking home" rather than actually stopping and telling a stranger how he was getting home. What gets me is the first cc tv footage - look at his elbows, particularly his right elbow. He is holding something with his elbow stuck out, that he drops and picks back up. Think about how you eat and compare that movement with holding a mobile. I think he was trying (and may have given up) to make a phone call. Nobody I know holds their arms up that high to eat - someone on facebook suggested he tipped his head back to eat and that's why his elbow is so high (again that seems unnatural). Was he trying to phone his friends to tell them he would wait for them and then sat down dozing in his drunken haze until his phone pinged from his brother? The whole thing as a big picture genuinely looks like someone not wanting to walk home, but more inclined to hang around and share the taxi fare back. If he is trying to use his phone and dropped it when drunk earlier on, stooping (but not stumbling) to pick it up, it is really unlikely he would drop it and not notice when he is more sober, eaten and had a snooze. There is something so odd about this, and his mates from camp must know his usual going out routines and the way he would walk back (even just to a taxi rank). He has been there three years, he will have been out numerous times every month and it will always play out the same way (unless he pulled). Did he drive his friends to bury do we know, or was he on a solitary night out hoping to bump into someone? So many unanswered questions...

It's all just so weird...I get his mates might think he pulled but surely they must've tried ringing to ask if he needed a lift back to his car, do you want the dog walking, was she a fit bird you pulled or at least some sort of communication before Monday afternoon. Who confirmed he'd been chucked out the club? Did his mates know he'd been chucked out, if so why didn't they ring to ask if he was ok? Maybe it is a well orcastrated AWOL hence why no door to doors etc as the RAF and police have a good idea he's buggered off... aarrrrrgghhhh who knows!

 

[JamesKing]

@Tricksy

From Short Brackland
Down between MacDonald's and that Museum
Across The Square
Down between the chemists there.....
...and you're at the taxi rank.
Time... two minutes. Or so say's Google Maps.

Someone may not be waiting for a soldier. Just a straddler....on their way for a cab.

What's cctv like around that route ?

 

[ByTheRiver]

Honestly, with all the half truths and sometimes totally false statements that we have heard I wouldn't be surprised if the bin lorry was just a tactic to put out there so people still concentrate on it a month later. Sure worked *hint of sarcasm*.....

Opinions are allowed and it is ok to reflect on stuff. 3.24am turned to 3.25am, walked back to base turned to never, ever walked back, there has been conflicting stuff, dead ends now not dead ends.

if conversations have been heard that weights may be guessed. Bins washed out. Landfill not checked for example it is fine to query it or is that not allowed becaused Mum said no forensics by the time it was checked.