UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #10

[MelmothTheLost]

The express article posted by Melmoth is interesting because it explains the reason for the search location. Nicola is quoted as saying this is the route he could have walked back to honington if he had had a lift and been dropped at a roundabout.

Which roundabout? The only ones between BSE and Honington are a couple on the A134 where (a) the A1106 crosses it and (b) close to BSE where an unnumbered minor road does. The A134/A1106 roundabout would at best have shaved a mile or so off his walk home, which would then have been up the A134. To end up in the area of forest concerned he would have been very lost indeed and on the left hand (west) side of the A134 instead of the right hand (east) side.

If so, good job he is/was a gunner and not a navigator.

The only other obvious roundabout is the one at Barton Mills, which would have meant him walking back through the King's Forest, but he'd have had a longer walk than if he'd simply set off walking from BSE in the first place.

Is it possible we're looking at an abduction by stealth or deception rather than violence, and Corrie managed to get out of the vehicle when he recognises the Fiveways Roundabout at BM and then starts to walk home?

 

[Shiressleuth]

I see what you mean. I still feel doubtful, but it's a good point.

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Nicola is a police officer so can have anonymous sources and she has set up these phone numbers. She may know who they are but the police will not know. It is a normal way of getting info from the public. It is very clever and will very probably yield results.

 

[Blamhappy]

Nicola is a police officer so can have anonymous sources and she has set up these phone numbers. She may know who they are but the police will not know. It is a normal way of getting info from the public. It is very clever and will very probably yield results.

I see. So, actually, we could see massive leaps in the investigation now.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Which roundabout? The only ones between BSE and Honington are a couple on the A134 where (a) the A1106 crosses it and (b) close to BSE where an unnumbered minor road does. The A134/A1106 roundabout would at best have shaved a mile or so off his walk home, which would then have been up the A134. To end up in the area of forest concerned he would have been very lost indeed and on the left hand (west) side of the A134 instead of the right hand (east) side.

If so, good job he is/was a gunner and not a navigator.

The only other obvious roundabout is the one at Barton Mills, which would have meant him walking back through the King's Forest, but he'd have had a longer walk than if he'd simply set off walking from BSE in the first place.

Is it possible we're looking at an abduction by stealth or deception rather than violence, and Corrie managed to get out of the vehicle when he recognises the Fiveways Roundabout at BM and then starts to walk home?

From the article you posted I took it to mean the tesco one but not sure as I don't know the area.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I see. So, actually, we could see massive leaps in the investigation now.

Well yes because the source could be protected. At the end of the day she just wants to know. So if someone did give an innocent lift and just didn't want to get involved in all the hoo ha it is the ideal way for them to report it.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

From the article you posted I took it to mean the tesco one but not sure as I don't know the area.

That wouldn't really make sense though since the store is only a few hundred metres from where he was last seen. Why would you get a lift for that distance instead of just walking it?

Thinking back to my previous post: if there was an abduction attempt by stealth, I wonder if Corrie could have lost his phone in a struggle in the abductor's vehicle? If the abductor was a local man the phone might have remained within the area of the BM mast until the battery died. Later, the abductor finds the phone in his vehicle and disposes of it.

Meanwhile Corrie is trying to find his way home through the forest without his phone, so no compass app and no GPS to guide him, and comes a cropper.

 

[Blamhappy]

Welcome! I'm currently reading some old threads on the forums to help get some knowledge down before posting and the urge to reply to old posts (in ny case sometimes years old!) is strong haha!

Perhaps that was the lead (anonymous) that has been spoken of. There must have been something that directed the search there but we don't know what that was - we have what is reported in the paper though.

How is it impossible? Can you not walk 7 miles in day?

7.07 x 7.07 = 49.98^2 miles

70 people walking in a line 160 meters apart for 7 miles could cover that distance. 60 people 186 meters apart would cover that distance. It depends on how close you want people to be and how fast you want them to work.

Walking pace is about 2-3mph so if the search started at 8am and finished at 3 that's 7 hours, so to cover the lot they'd need to walk at least 1mph.

I'm not saying whether they did it today but it isn't impossible is it?

Hi. They did five square miles.

 

[tronixx]

A blow to the head in the struggle, he had already been drinking makes him all the more vunerable when trying to find his way back. JMO

 

[Shiressleuth]

That wouldn't really make sense though since the store is only a few hundred metres from where he was last seen. Why would you get a lift for that distance instead of just walking it?

Thinking back to my previous post: if there was an abduction attempt by stealth, I wonder if Corrie could have lost his phone in a struggle in the abductor's vehicle? If the abductor was a local man the phone might have remained within the area of the BM mast until the battery died. Later, the abductor finds the phone in his vehicle and disposes of it.

Meanwhile Corrie is trying to find his way home through the forest without his phone, so no compass app and no GPS to guide him, and comes a cropper.

I dunno if that is the roundabout but corrie may have wanted water for the trek home. Good point about the phone or he could have lost it in the bins. If you were the innocent lift would you want to come forward after everything that has been said about the bin driver?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Morning all, I was "out out" last night and tried to post a message here at 2am about how it's Christmas and how sad for Corrie's family, luckily I didn't hit send but there was a bit of "love you guys" going on haha!!

:loveyou:

I'm a bit blurry to read back, have I missed anything?!

 

[MelmothTheLost]

A blow to the head in the struggle, he had already been drinking makes him all the more vunerable when trying to find his way back. JMO

He wouldn't even need a blow to the head in the struggle, merely to have the bright idea of taking a direct route through a dark forest on probably unfamiliar paths, catching his foot on something and falling, bashing his head that way. Or a fluke penetrating wound. He could have bled out in minutes a hundred yards off one of the charted paths.

 

[Ironside]

We really need to cut the cords of the trouser swapping theory.

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[Miss_French]

But it was anonymous I understand correct me if wrong so they wouldn't know the vehicle. Welcome to the thread by the way, Happy

I take it that the tip was anonymous (the person wouldn't give their name) but details could still have been passed on.

Or am I being too simplistic?

 

[Miss_French]

We really need to cut the cords of the trouser swapping theory.

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You mean before it flares up again?

I'll get mi coat...

 

[MelmothTheLost]

We really need to cut the cords of the trouser swapping theory.

Dunno, if we run with it a bit something might turn-up eventually.

 

[jessie]

I dunno if that is the roundabout but corrie may have wanted water for the trek home. Good point about the phone or he could have lost it in the bins. If you were the innocent lift would you want to come forward after everything that has been said about the bin driver?

Just a thought that has been with me for a long time as I still believe Corrie attempted to get back to base, was disorientated lost and has succumbed to a simple accident.

Not sure what hitching a lift would be like after 3.30 a.m. but if it had been a transport lorry (most likely to be on the road at that time) the driver may be a foreign national/not live in UK/not aware of Corrie missing. Long distance lorry drivers do travel a lot of distances, maybe doesn't even remember everyone they give lifts to?

The fact that noone has come forward to say they picked him up may have a simple explanation after all ?

 

[missmarples]

Dunno, if we run with it a bit something might turn-up eventually.

LOL I apologise for my posts going off down the trouser route (how the hell did that happen?) hopefully this thread will 'taper' off....

 

[jessie]

LOL I apologise for my posts going off down the trouser route (how the hell did that happen?) hopefully this thread will 'taper' off....

Perhaps we should all belt up about it now.

 

[Ironside]

Perhaps we should all belt up about it now.

My lips are zipped.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Glad you worked that out otherwise what chance for the actual case I ask myself? Any thoughts on that express article? It would fit all theories I think. It could still be awol, abduction (and he fought them off) or hook up and the hookee didn't fancy it so they said iI'll let you out here. Could even be the bin driver who said I'm only going to the roundabout mate and the phone fell out his pocket into the vehicle in all scenarios?