UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

[Greater Than]

Thanks for the link GT.

IMO the bin lorry is the only vehicle they have proof of being in Bury and BM between 0308 and 0450.

The 28 min has been picked up on because this is the time that the bin lorry took from HS to BM.

What this says- Phone could have been in BM anytime from 0308(plus travelling time) to 0450 provided it was switched off.

I'm with you on the bin lorry being the only known vehicle to have been in BSE and BM during that crucial time period.

But the fact that the lorry was in Corrie's exact last known location and then travelled to a location within the same 5 miles radius as his phone did is difficult for me to dismiss as a mere coincidence.

The LEO saying it moved at a faster speed than he felt one could walk indicates to me that they have knowledge of the timings of pings as it moved. We don't, but it sounds to me like they do.

If it had been turned off and then turned back on again, wouldn't the data analysis indicate there was time period that the phone had no signal or activity? That's not a rhetorical question BTW...I truly don't know. :innocent:

 

[earthspirit]

It was on the This morning interview " wine bottle lid was found in car" sorry don't know how share a link...newbie here


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regarding wine - well maybe corrie was drinking buckfast but really? is he that much of a cheapskate even if skint, that he would seek out a bottle of alkies poison? he is 23 not 16 looking for a quick fix? why not just assume a regular bottle of nice white german and he has glugged it down fast while talking to his bro on phone. for most regular drinkers that would be enough to get them on a little buzz before going off to drink more. wine is strong enough you know! you can also get cheap bottles from the spar for £1.99 or even tesco £2.50 sparkling stuff.

 

[cottonweaver]

Not jump qualified.

That's interesting JClaud - why is that? Just cause of it only being 2-3 years.
Would be interested to hear more personal experiences on his career type as I know zero about it.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The baby Moses is in his basket and is placed in the gently flowing river by the BSE adult.

I want some of whatever you're on.

 

[Bedouin]

regarding wine - well maybe corrie was drinking buckfast but really? is he that much of a cheapskate even if skint, that he would seek out a bottle of alkies poison? he is 23 not 16 looking for a quick fix? why not just assume a regular bottle of nice white german and he has glugged it down fast while talking to his bro on phone. for most regular drinkers that would be enough to get them on a little buzz before going off to drink more. wine is strong enough you know! you can also get cheap bottles from the spar for £1.99 or even tesco £2.50 sparkling stuff.

Sorry this was my fault, I mentioned Buckfast only because I know guys his age from Dunfermline and it is their first choice for pre-drinks drink. Especially if they are looking for a cheap drunken night.

 

[Dcflag]

Right !!!
The bin lorry, the phone, the bins and the pings?

well lets all start at the beginning of this.

corrie is in the bin area sometime before 3.30am and the phone travels a similar route to the bin lorry around an hour later.

forget the bins and someone dumping or stealing it - leave the bin man out of the equation.

so then we have corrie in the bin area with a phone for around an hour. nobody sees him in there so he is either in a building or in a car. what could he have been doing? well there is nobody saying he was doing a drunken version of the highland fling and he wasnt singing with other drunks? taking a leak doesnt take an hour. so what could he have been doing? drinking in one of the apartments? then leaves in a car? sitting in a car drinking smoking or doing something else? with the lights turned off? all quite possible. forget the bin lorry remember!

he then sets off on a route that takes him in the vicinity of the cell tower at barton mills. thats lots of places between bse and bm. so how about he is getting friendly or is friends with the people in the car? they then give a slow drive lift to bm area? could this be usaf people on their way home? could it be people who decide late at night to go to the dogging sites ( just for a laugh like the young lads do round here? - our local papers often make an issue of it) this is all plausible so far yes?

there is also a known? drinking party house around bm? i do not have the source for this but its quite a well known place to locals apparently. so, should the enquiry maybe focus on these sort of things?

corrie has either then had an accident stumbling and staggering over countryside trying to get the few miles back to honington or he has got into some sort of fight at the places ive mentioned.

i am just so fed up reading about the pings and bins and dumps when really it seems much simpler to understand in my mind?

oh just one last thing, the speed of said car seems quite slow? i know the roads and surely 40mph is a more realistic speed to be driving? i once got stopped by a police patrol car - first time on a country road in surrey - i was doing about 28mph in the pitch dark no satnav no map - just knowing to look for particular signs. they just wanted to check i had not been drinking and said that people doing less than 30 on these sort of roads, was either very old and half blind and shouldnt be on the road or that they had been drinking and were keeping well under the limit thinking this would not attract attention.

WHY was the vehicle corries phone travelling in going so slowly? think carefully about this!

OH AND CAN WE PLEASE HAVE CLARITY ON PHONE? please expain one more time for the duffers among us - if was on all the time all of the things they have said it did could have happened? it was not switched off and then on again? it just said goodbye bse and hello bm? this is as complicated as any reply needs to be. otherwise i will just keep on asking questions about it

He can get to short brackland unseen and my understanding is the phone pings just mean he didn't leave bse phone mast so he didn't have to loiter in the horseshoe for an hour.

I really think it's irrelevant now in any case, chances are the phone was binned by Corrie. Weeks ago I suggested why he would do this is his bank info, apps no photos etc were on it but seeing as he has no use for any of those it makes no difference if he bins it.

Out of interest regarding the lumia, seeing as it's an old and odd phone to have, couldn't it be a spare phone?

Also regarding tracking and pings etc. If he removed his SIM card and put it in another phone would you be able to tell (I'm sure I read earlier tracking is to do with imei)

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Honestly I don't know. What I do know is that there is a dead zone of zero tower between BSE and BM therefore any "no contact" reading would be skewed.

Bin lorry- I see your point but I am sticking to it just happened to be there when the phone first pinged BM and the link was made due to it having been in Bury. Honestly if the police thought the phone was in that bin lorry they would have searched it's tipping location, why would they not?

I'm with you on the bin lorry being the only known vehicle to have been in BSE and BM during that crucial time period.

But the fact that the lorry was in Corrie's exact last known location and then travelled to a location within the same 5 miles radius as his phone did is difficult for me to dismiss as a mere coincidence.

The LEO saying it moved at a faster speed than he felt one could walk indicates to me that they have knowledge of the timings of pings as it moved. We don't, but it sounds to me like they do.

If it had been turned off and then turned back on again, wouldn't the data analysis indicate there was time period that the phone had no signal or activity? That's not a rhetorical question BTW...I truly don't know. :innocent:

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Damn bins, I bet I'll dream about them again tonight!

"Last night I dreamt I went to Binderley again."

 

[cottonweaver]

In the absence of any quotable news today, here's some snippets from yesterday's TMorning interview with Nicola , just so it's on the thread.

"Xmas.....It was incredibly difficult for me, the boys and the rest of the family. But we got through it, we are a strong family and we just need to take each day as it comes.

"It's just concentrating on what we can do proactively to try and help the police."
...

She said: "Corrie is so memorable, everybody that meets hims just falls in love with him.

"He's really happy, he wants to be the centre of attention, he loves meeting new people, he's just a really, really friendly, outgoing, confident guy.....
"There's no preparation, there's not one single piece of evidence. He's disappeared a week before payday, he's not touched his money since he left.

"His vehicle was three minutes away walking and it was his pride and joy....As a police officer, I know that a lot of families think they know their children if something like this happens and then they realise there's an awful lot they didn't know.

"But there's not actually anything I've been told yet that I've not been the first one to tell the police.""

http://www.buchanobserver.co.uk/news/mother-of-missing-raf-serviceman-corrie-mckeague-admits-christmas-difficult-1-4332606

 

[suzyjackson]

Geo tagging on SM shows where people are or have been, and when.
A picture is then built of what the average visitee to an area at a specific time looks like in terms of age, sex, appearance, all kinds of traits.
This set of characteristics are then referenced against individuals who have been identified as being loosely present but not Geo tagged, or who are of interest to them for whatever reason.

Massive long shot as we have a potential perp who is 15 weeks clear, not a shred of evidence, do we really think their SM accounts have the smoking gun?

It's called big data profiling.

Essentially build up a set of characteristics shared by individuals who were present in areas of interest at a specific time.

These characteristics are then cross referenced against the SM of persons/groups of interest who's location could not be determined.

Doea anyone else think that this sounds like a way to burn through money quickly with little chance of finding anything useful. I truely hope the family haven't been seduced into spending a lot of money on something new and sparkly when some good old fashioned detective work would be much more cost effective

JMO

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

28 minutes is a mast post to mast post measurement by distance, it is not however a measure of the distance between the BSE mast radius extremity (outgoing) and the BM mast radius extremity (incoming).

All this 28 minutes is kind of nonsense, that's literally the time taken to drive from HS to BM, nothing to do with the phone.

The key bit of information is when did it last ping BSE mast. If it's 430 something then probably in the bin wagon, but nobody, N, TW, LE have confirmed the last ping in Bury so we literally have no idea when the phone left.

??????

 

[Jean-Claud]

Badge not on uniform and RAF Regiment lost para role sadly in mid 90's, no requirement decision from MoD. (I had mine for over 20 years). However, if it has, which I doubt, (been reinstated), I do not know about it. Only way to achieve now is through sporting venture. (does not qual for payment though).

 

[Amonet]

He can get to short brackland unseen and my understanding is the phone pings just mean he didn't leave bse phone mast so he didn't have to loiter in the horseshoe for an hour.

I really think it's irrelevant now in any case, chances are the phone was binned by Corrie. Weeks ago I suggested why he would do this is his bank info, apps no photos etc were on it but seeing as he has no use for any of those it makes no difference if he bins it.

Out of interest regarding the lumia, seeing as it's an old and odd phone to have, couldn't it be a spare phone?

Also regarding tracking and pings etc. If he removed his SIM card and put it in another phone would you be able to tell (I'm sure I read earlier tracking is to do with imei)

I hadn't heard of IMEI numbers before, but the sim card is the 'real' part of the phone, the rest of it is a case and a camera, screen, and accessories built around the sim card. But when you phone someone it's really one sim card calling another sim card.

So what I get from this, without looking it up, is that if the sim is used in another phone that's visible. If a new sim card is put in the phone, then the phone is 'invisible' .... like if it was a person and we were all blind so we didn't know what we looked like on the outside but communicated brain-to-brain and you took someone's brain out and put a different brain in their body, then the body would no longer be recognizeable to you.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Not that simple a reply as there is no factual evidence of it saying goodbye to bse therefore it must have been switched off when it left the mast radius.

Right !!!
The bin lorry, the phone, the bins and the pings?

well lets all start at the beginning of this.

corrie is in the bin area sometime before 3.30am and the phone travels a similar route to the bin lorry around an hour later.

forget the bins and someone dumping or stealing it - leave the bin man out of the equation.

so then we have corrie in the bin area with a phone for around an hour. nobody sees him in there so he is either in a building or in a car. what could he have been doing? well there is nobody saying he was doing a drunken version of the highland fling and he wasnt singing with other drunks? taking a leak doesnt take an hour. so what could he have been doing? drinking in one of the apartments? then leaves in a car? sitting in a car drinking smoking or doing something else? with the lights turned off? all quite possible. forget the bin lorry remember!

he then sets off on a route that takes him in the vicinity of the cell tower at barton mills. thats lots of places between bse and bm. so how about he is getting friendly or is friends with the people in the car? they then give a slow drive lift to bm area? could this be usaf people on their way home? could it be people who decide late at night to go to the dogging sites ( just for a laugh like the young lads do round here? - our local papers often make an issue of it) this is all plausible so far yes?

there is also a known? drinking party house around bm? i do not have the source for this but its quite a well known place to locals apparently. so, should the enquiry maybe focus on these sort of things?

corrie has either then had an accident stumbling and staggering over countryside trying to get the few miles back to honington or he has got into some sort of fight at the places ive mentioned.

i am just so fed up reading about the pings and bins and dumps when really it seems much simpler to understand in my mind?

oh just one last thing, the speed of said car seems quite slow? i know the roads and surely 40mph is a more realistic speed to be driving? i once got stopped by a police patrol car - first time on a country road in surrey - i was doing about 28mph in the pitch dark no satnav no map - just knowing to look for particular signs. they just wanted to check i had not been drinking and said that people doing less than 30 on these sort of roads, was either very old and half blind and shouldnt be on the road or that they had been drinking and were keeping well under the limit thinking this would not attract attention.

WHY was the vehicle corries phone travelling in going so slowly? think carefully about this!

OH AND CAN WE PLEASE HAVE CLARITY ON PHONE? please expain one more time for the duffers among us - if was on all the time all of the things they have said it did could have happened? it was not switched off and then on again? it just said goodbye bse and hello bm? this is as complicated as any reply needs to be. otherwise i will just keep on asking questions about it

 

[cottonweaver]

Doea anyone else think that this sounds like a way to burn through money quickly with little chance of finding anything useful. I truely hope the family haven't been seduced into spending a lot of money on something new and sparkly when some good old fashioned detective work would be much more cost effective

JMO

Yes suzy, my imagination has wandered in that direction too. After all the hype & slating of SPolice then throw in the expectations of the donors + the military bias of the TW..... it does lead the cynics amongst us in that direction BUT I just don't know enough about the line of enquiries that MIS are working on.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

RAF regt parachuted into Basra on Telic, much to the annoyance of the maroon machine.

Badge not on uniform and RAF Regiment lost para role sadly in mid 90's, no requirement decision from MoD. (I had mine for over 20 years). However, if it has, which I doubt, (been reinstated), I do not know about it. Only way to achieve now is through sporting venture.

 

[cottonweaver]

Badge not on uniform and RAF Regiment lost para role sadly in mid 90's, no requirement decision from MoD. (I had mine for over 20 years). However, if it has, which I doubt, (been reinstated), I do not know about it. Only way to achieve now is through sporting venture.

TX JeanClaud.

As I said I know nothing about any of the Forces. Can I grill you further?
I presume that's standard that if ur in that squad only <3yrs you don't get beyond 1 trip ( Rio) What's the career progression like - what milestones should a person in Corrie's position be hitting or aiming for after that length of time etc

 

[Dcflag]

I hadn't heard of IMEI numbers before, but the sim card is the 'real' part of the phone, the rest of it is a case and a camera, screen, and accessories built around the sim card. But when you phone someone it's really one sim card calling another sim card.

So what I get from this, without looking it up, is that if the sim is used in another phone that's visible. If a new sim card is put in the phone, then the phone is 'invisible' .... like if it was a person and we were all blind so we didn't know what we looked like on the outside but communicated brain-to-brain and you took someone's brain out and put a different brain in their body, then the body would no longer be recognizeable to you.

That makes sense, cheers for that

 

[Dcflag]

28 minutes is a mast post to mast post measurement by distance, it is not however a measure of the distance between the BSE mast radius extremity (outgoing) and the BM mast radius extremity (incoming).

All this 28 minutes is kind of nonsense, that's literally the time taken to drive from HS to BM, nothing to do with the phone.

The key bit of information is when did it last ping BSE mast. If it's 430 something then probably in the bin wagon, but nobody, N, TW, LE have confirmed the last ping in Bury so we literally have no idea when the phone left.

We need a volunteer to check old threads for source because I'm sure my initial thoughts were the goodbye ping 4.30 and hello ping 4.58 &#128584; Hence 28 minutes.

If lorry arrives around 4.20? (Did we source that to around then?) then is done and off would 4.30 be a reasonable time for a goodbye ping?

 

[Northern Light]

I hadn't heard of IMEI numbers before, but the sim card is the 'real' part of the phone, the rest of it is a case and a camera, screen, and accessories built around the sim card. But when you phone someone it's really one sim card calling another sim card.

So what I get from this, without looking it up, is that if the sim is used in another phone that's visible. If a new sim card is put in the phone, then the phone is 'invisible' .... like if it was a person and we were all blind so we didn't know what we looked like on the outside but communicated brain-to-brain and you took someone's brain out and put a different brain in their body, then the body would no longer be recognizeable to you.

Interesting.