UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

[Redgoblin]

The RAF pay is monthly, you are paid during training, and living expenses are minimal and are deducted at source.

Corrie had joined up 3 years ago so he's had money going into his account all that time, so where's it all gone that this 'getting paid in a week's time' has been given so much emphasis by N? She almost makes it sound like it's his first pay packet.

OK, he's got nice threads, maybe paying his mum towards the phone and car, maybe wasn't thinking of going out cos he was a bit short, but if he's got some direct debits and can burn through his pay that fast I don't see that waiting 1 week more to do a runner is a possibility.

He probably is living month to month, I'd imagine funds would be getting low... I know as a young man all I did was spend spend spend.

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[PilgrimsPrayer]

They said "at a speed only a vehicle could move at" which is anything from 5mph upwards.

Where are you getting this from? They have said many times that it moved at the speed a vehicle would move at. This constant fiddling with times and data is just confusing the basic facts. The latest TW update states the phone/vehicle may not even have gone near the BM roundabout.

 

[LorriB]

The other thing to remember is that with the pinging it will often do so to the closest mast but this isn't always the case.

From what I've read, that things such as signal strength of mast and atmospheric conditions determine which tower is connected to.

 

[Shiressleuth]

TW update new time window for vehicles is 0300-0500 a.m. . All 3 options still open. Vehicle with phone may not have gone near BM roundabout at all so we should sleuth routes not touching that roundabout but ponging BM mast radius edge if possible at/around 0430 IMO.

http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/category/public-assistance/

 

[studrochan]

I trust this little cubby-hole has been explored and eliminated:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2...4!1sdvffzkOFFvHj2-KvVJi1JQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It seems to me that C could have made it out of the HS and into any one of a number of commercial or domestic properties (or vehicles) in Short Brackland without being picked up on CCTV. I'm guessing from the positioning and mounting of the camera on Greenwood's that it's a rotating camera, which will end up pointing elsewhere after C's last sighting. The cameras in the carpark at the back of the Cornhill Walk Shopping Centre could be fixed onto the delivery area, and the (presumably private) camera in Lawson's Yard looks as if it won't capture anything on SB itself.

Has there been a definitive ruling on whether it is possible to leave the HS on foot undetected by CCTV? It seemed to be a moot point in the early days of the case.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

How can you measure when the phone left BSE central unless it is at the extremity of the mast radius and saying "goodbye" or that it took no more than 3 minutes to get to the extremity of the mast radius.

28 minutes is just the time from BM ping to HS departure.

Just to clarify Pilgrim, you are aware that the phone left BSE central to within 1 1/2 minutes of the bin wagon aren't you? And the phone took 28 minutes to travel from A to B?
I'll try to find the links.....can anyone help?


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[Redgoblin]

They said "at a speed only a vehicle could move at" which is anything from 5mph upwards.

There's so many variables, that's the big problem eliminating each one.

So many what ifs as well.

Lift back.
Lift part way back.
Lift prank (being dropped at Barton Mills) by someone he knew.
Argument ejected from vehicle.
Walk back, lost phone.
Still in BSE, but phone travelled without him.
Bike accident (Corrie steals a bike no lights easy to be struck)
Abduction.
Robbery.
In the bin lorry.

And a multitude of in betweens as well.




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[JKLondon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38519456

Private investigators starting work today, lets hope they find him...

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

I don't know that you get to "call time". If you wish for me to talk you through it privately then do let me know.

I'm calling time on these calculations. Is this how 12 mph was worked out before? Completely inaccurate and misleading horseshoe.

 

[Miss_French]

He probably is living month to month, I'd imagine funds would be getting low... I know as a young man all I did was spend spend spend.

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And that's my point. If he is living month to month, and his account doesn't show money being paid out to another account he could access, then Corrie is relying on 1 months pay available in a week's time, and thats not a lot to survive long term.

 

[MidsummersDay]

I'm really not sure how much more proof we need of phone movements and timings... :/

0420: Bin lorry arrives and picks up one Greggs bin.
0424: Bin lorry finishes collection in the 'Horseshoe'.
0425: Bin lorry departs for BM roundabout directly.
( ): Bin lorry arrives at BM roundabout.

Oh hang on....I can now see the confusion. Looks like a misquote or misspeaks? I think she means as I stated weeks ago, BSE?

So...
0425: Corrie's phone leaves BSE ('Horseshoe'?).
0453: Corrie's phone arrives at BM (roundabout?).


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[Sybil755]

That is incorrect there as says ....left Barton Mills at 4:25am in the same direction ....? Left BSE surely

Really think lorry is a red herring as could only be the phone not Corrie as well, and only if thrown in the back of bin lorry as chances for exact bin in all the ones there, but I still think this would change the pings ratio. So not in lorry at all IMO

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Bin lorry timings aren't in doubt, just that they do not correlate with the phone pings.

Also it's hard to accept this statement when we know categorically that there is no Waitrose in Mildenhall.

I'm really not sure how much more proof we need of phone movements and timings... :/

0420: Bin lorry arrives and picks up one Greggs bin.
0424: Bin lorry finishes collection in the 'Horseshoe'.
0425: Bin lorry departs for BM roundabout directly.

Oh hang on....I can now see the confusion. Looks like a misquote or misspeaks?


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[Shiressleuth]

They said "at a speed only a vehicle could move at" which is anything from 5mph upwards.

So we are looking for a slow moving vehicle at 3.30 in the morning that no one else has seen and that has evaded cctv?. What type of vehicle are you suggesting because you previously mentioned jogging/fast walking so I am struggling to see where this is going that's all.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

To put it bluntly, somebody show me a statement confirming the last BSE ping.

 

[Miss_French]

I trust this little cubby-hole has been explored and eliminated:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2...4!1sdvffzkOFFvHj2-KvVJi1JQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It seems to me that C could have made it out of the HS and into any one of a number of commercial or domestic properties (or vehicles) in Short Brackland without being picked up on CCTV. I'm guessing from the positioning and mounting of the camera on Greenwood's that it's a rotating camera, which will end up pointing elsewhere after C's last sighting. The cameras in the carpark at the back of the Cornhill Walk Shopping Centre could be fixed onto the delivery area, and the (presumably private) camera in Lawson's Yard looks as if it won't capture anything on SB itself.

Has there been a definitive ruling on whether it is possible to leave the HS on foot undetected by CCTV? It seemed to be a moot point in the early days of the case.

Nicola's comments in this article, meaning the horseshoe is just the area behind the shops:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/29/policewoman-starts-investigation-sons-disappearance-detectives/amp/

 

[MidsummersDay]

That is incorrect there as says ....left Barton Mills at 4:25am in the same direction ....? Left BSE surely

Really think lorry is a red herring as could only be the phone not Corrie as well, and only if thrown in the back of bin lorry as chances for exact bin in all the ones there, but I still think this would change the pings ratio. So not in lorry at all IMO

There is no doubt at all that the bin lorry IS NOT a red herring. Corrie wasn't in the bin lorry. It's been proved. The conveyance of the mobile phone is still contentious though. We're trying desperately through professional insight and insider information to make more accurate the timings. If they fit, all well and good. If they don't, they don't.


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[Lolly63]

It appears more of you are coming round to the thought of awol. But some say why leave his dog car etc.
Let's say he just walked out of honnington one day. He'd be classed as awol.
So let's say he wants to get away.....by cooking up this elaborate 'missing' scenario he has people being concerned for him. Nobody would suspect awol if you've car left your puppy etc. The night out was full of so much. The 'excessive' drinking, being asked to leave the club, singing with the band, playing rock scissors paper with a stranger, buying lots of food and then 'disappearing'
So many people were able to confirm they saw him.
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[CoverMeCagney]

That is incorrect there as says ....left Barton Mills at 4:25am in the same direction ....? Left BSE surely

Really think lorry is a red herring as could only be the phone not Corrie as well, and only if thrown in the back of bin lorry as chances for exact bin in all the ones there, but I still think this would change the pings ratio. So not in lorry at all IMO

I spotted this, I guess she meant to say "left BSE". Hmmm.

We originally thought the bin lorry arrived at 4ish but now know it was actually nearly an hour after Corrie was in the area. The fact his phone started moving at the same time as the lorry definitely seems to suggest it was on board, but I think Corrie was long gone by then, either upstairs partying at no26 or away in a vehicle. I was a bit alarmed to read the accom up there has not been forensically searched. He could have bee lying dead up there for hours before a car was brought to remove him, probably in the middle of the night on Sat night as daylight would be too risky - have cameras been checked for then??

Also can police find out about all other calls made in that area i the early hours? I can't imagine there'd be too many people phoning each other that early. I'm sure these things are find out-able..

 

[Shiressleuth]

I trust this little cubby-hole has been explored and eliminated:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2...4!1sdvffzkOFFvHj2-KvVJi1JQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It seems to me that C could have made it out of the HS and into any one of a number of commercial or domestic properties (or vehicles) in Short Brackland without being picked up on CCTV. I'm guessing from the positioning and mounting of the camera on Greenwood's that it's a rotating camera, which will end up pointing elsewhere after C's last sighting. The cameras in the carpark at the back of the Cornhill Walk Shopping Centre could be fixed onto the delivery area, and the (presumably private) camera in Lawson's Yard looks as if it won't capture anything on SB itself.

Has there been a definitive ruling on whether it is possible to leave the HS on foot undetected by CCTV? It seemed to be a moot point in the early days of the case.

TW update has the foot option as a possibility still, so yes it is possible in his and my opinion. I have always thought it was wrong to rule it out anyway.