UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #14

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  • #861
Are we going to have to start the hacking discussion again :lol:

Maybe they could analyse our chatter and theories on WS


Just putting this SBM article here not to restart the hacking discussion, but as relevant current news info regarding it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38565083

Campaigners launch legal challenge to 'snoopers' charter'

Powers covered by the act allow state agencies to control and alter electronic devices, read texts, online messages and emails and listen in on calls, regardless of a suspicion of criminal activity.

'Most extreme surveillance regime'
The act forces communications companies to retain data of the who, where and when, but not the content of people's phone calls, emails, texts and web browsing history.

But Liberty wants to challenge the lawfulness of these powers and is asking the public to fund a judicial review.
Liberty director Martha Spurrier said: "Last year, this government exploited fear and distraction to quietly create the most extreme surveillance regime of any democracy in history.
 
  • #862
Spent a bit of time reflecting and I wonder if the release today was actually N having a last roll of the dice, maybe A didn't have any intention of releasing. It's compromised so much that I think it's an act of utter desperation.

It certainly ramps up the pressure and listening to the BBC East prog this afternoon it was clear that April was already the subject of local speculation so in effect today was a confirmation. ( I can't quote it, but it was wtte of - we now want to put this gossip to bed. )

Nicola was certainly there to support April. Have never seen Nicola look so anxious - her breathing was fast and she was watching every word from April.
Awful situation. Just hope, as I said when it broke, that this very timely revelation puts extra pressure on either those who know where he is,
or if he is alive/AWOL pressures him directly to come home.

IF It's foul play it very much depends on the psych of the perpetrator as to whether this news pulls at their heart string. It certainly might make a suspicious friend make that call.

Very sad. She seems like a lovely girl and she is clearly very very fond of him.
 
  • #863
Well the pregnancy/ GF doesn't change the facts for one..... however the larger horse shoe area and exit routes do.... so all im saying is lets concentrate on that, the phone pings and unidentified vehicles and possible witnesses/perps




Not sure what "unidentified" vehicles there are ?

I was under the impression "all" were/are known by now.
So I must assume "all" were searched/tested.

10 weeks in...and the police can't "ID" what vehicle belongs to whom, I can't see that.

He therefore..
Left in a vehicle, from the HS and it is undetectable he was in it
Bypassed the camera and left in another vehicle.
Is still there
Or walked from there to somewhere and left his phone behind.
 
  • #864
Probably not connected but a body has been found Northampton, M1.
 
  • #865
I don't think this is a last attempt from Nicola to push for a result of some sort. I think she was left with no other option to be fair. <modsnip>


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  • #866
I'm still trying desperately to plainly see the relevance in our latest bombshell. The thoughts are too foggy at the moment as if I'm the father and the good news is mine?! I think the family statements of the past were misinformed but well intentioned. The police statements appear to be by the book in all honestly...bare minimum as you would expect. I'm trying to make my mind up still between a 'tug at heart strings' press launch or....well, let's face it, there isn't really any other reason. If they want privacy then why go public. The whole case has been contradictory from day one IMHO.
Even as I sit here reexaming the statements I have multiple conclusions, answers and options. There are no 'what ifs' in my decision making, just binary conclusions. Here's where I am at the moment (and this could change with new revelations);

1. Corrie wilfully went AWOL as a last minute decision due to perceived pressures of life and this latest revelation (LIKELY).
2. Corrie genuinely tried to walk home discretely, evading all publicity along the way and succumbed to physical injuries exacerbated by elemental conditions (POSSIBLE).
3. Corrie was collected by a drunken friend from camp and is complicit in a drink driving offence/minor accident causing him to flee (POSSIBLE).


NO ABDUCTION
NO TERRORISM LINK

JMO


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  • #867
I'm still trying desperately to plainly see the relevance in our latest bombshell. The thoughts are too foggy at the moment as if I'm the father and the good news is mine?! I think the family statements of the past were misinformed but well intentioned. The police statements appear to be by the book in all honestly...bare minimum as you would expect. I'm trying to make my mind up still between a 'tug at heart strings' press launch or....well, let's face it, there isn't really any other reason. If they want privacy then why go public. The whole case has been contradictory from day one IMHO.
Even as I sit here reexaming the statements I have multiple conclusions, answers and options. There are no 'what ifs' in my decision making, just binary conclusions. Here's where I am at the moment (and this could change with new revelations);

1. Corrie wilfully went AWOL as a last minute decision due to perceived pressures of life and this latest revelation (LIKELY).
2. Corrie genuinely tried to walk home discretely, evading all publicity along the way and succumbed to physical injuries exacerbated by elemental conditions (POSSIBLE).
3. Corrie was collected by a drunken friend from camp and is complicit in a drink driving offence/minor accident causing him to flee (POSSIBLE).


NO ABDUCTION
NO TERRORISM LINK

JMO


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That is very similar to my current thinking. The inconsistency is what is causing my differing thought processes (I hope that isn't the intention of the messages).
 
  • #868
My problem is now we don't know now whether facts about this case that have been stated before are now still "facts" or just what the family want the public to think.

I'm not judging them for this. It's a very difficult situation. N knows what she is doing. She is family liaison.

I'm just saying, I don't know if I can properly have any idea what's happened now when it comes to C.


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  • #869
  • #870
Although in saying that, I can't quite get my head around how someone who appears to be dependant on adoration, social media and constant human contact can seemingly NOT be evident in it now, from the day of his disappearance? Unless, he suddenly came to the conclusion that night, that his perceived narcissistic tendencies were causing rifts between himself and his mates/closer mates?
That night might have been the 'realisation clincher' for him?
JMO


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  • #871
I'm still trying desperately to plainly see the relevance in our latest bombshell. The thoughts are too foggy at the moment as if I'm the father and the good news is mine?! I think the family statements of the past were misinformed but well intentioned. The police statements appear to be by the book in all honestly...bare minimum as you would expect. I'm trying to make my mind up still between a 'tug at heart strings' press launch or....well, let's face it, there isn't really any other reason. If they want privacy then why go public. The whole case has been contradictory from day one IMHO.
Even as I sit here reexaming the statements I have multiple conclusions, answers and options. There are no 'what ifs' in my decision making, just binary conclusions. Here's where I am at the moment (and this could change with new revelations);

1. Corrie wilfully went AWOL as a last minute decision due to perceived pressures of life and this latest revelation (LIKELY).
2. Corrie genuinely tried to walk home discretely, evading all publicity along the way and succumbed to physical injuries exacerbated by elemental conditions (POSSIBLE).
3. Corrie was collected by a drunken friend from camp and is complicit in a drink driving offence/minor accident causing him to flee (POSSIBLE).


NO ABDUCTION
NO TERRORISM LINK

JMO


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I'm going to disagree with your LIKELY, more fool me maybe for believing what we were told yesterday but IMO at most he knew about the possibility of an unexpected baby and probably didn't now anything so for me wilful AWOL is POSSIBLE but your number 2. is still a strong possibility for me
 
  • #872
Nicola has stated that Corrie absolutely did not know that A was pregnant. She also states that factually Corrie was single at the time.
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/q51-is-corrie-going-to-be-a-father/

We have to believe what Nicola has said about Corrie not knowing April was pregnant. They believe he is in no way AWOL.

I think if he was AWOL someone would have seen him by now. He would need food, drink etc. Corrie doesn't strike me as the kind of person that can lay low or put his family through this torment. Unless he has locked himself away in a house with no TV, internet, and hasnt come out at all and someone is helping him. Doubtful.


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  • #873
If this had been announced earlier, more would've had him down as potentially AWOL and there wouldn't have been as much interest in the case. If he did know then it would've definitely been the conclusion.

Personally I think we believe what we are told and carry on.

I would say that "dating" for 5 months could simply be hooking up on and off - that's why we were told he was single when he went missing
 
  • #874
I'm still trying desperately to plainly see the relevance in our latest bombshell. The thoughts are too foggy at the moment as if I'm the father and the good news is mine?! I think the family statements of the past were misinformed but well intentioned. The police statements appear to be by the book in all honestly...bare minimum as you would expect. I'm trying to make my mind up still between a 'tug at heart strings' press launch or....well, let's face it, there isn't really any other reason. If they want privacy then why go public. The whole case has been contradictory from day one IMHO.
Even as I sit here reexaming the statements I have multiple conclusions, answers and options. There are no 'what ifs' in my decision making, just binary conclusions. Here's where I am at the moment (and this could change with new revelations);

1. Corrie wilfully went AWOL as a last minute decision due to perceived pressures of life and this latest revelation (LIKELY).
2. Corrie genuinely tried to walk home discretely, evading all publicity along the way and succumbed to physical injuries exacerbated by elemental conditions (POSSIBLE).
3. Corrie was collected by a drunken friend from camp and is complicit in a drink driving offence/minor accident causing him to flee (POSSIBLE).


NO ABDUCTION
NO TERRORISM LINK

JMO


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For me it's one of 2 things now.

If we are lead to believe that Corrie hadn't an inkling that she may be pregnant then I reckon an accident alone of some sort.

If Corrie did know, let's face it, it's possible, then awol could be the answer here - in saying that, as midsummer has already mentioned, for someone who loves adoration as much as he does I can't see him willingly going cold turkey on compliments.

So, with that in mind and the fact that no one has came forward for the reward - he's managed to slip out of the horseshoe unnoticed or later than cctv has been checked. Accident on way home.


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  • #875
Nicola's statement in full from findcorrie.co.uk :


As most will be aware, April did an interview today with her mum and myself supporting her. This was an incredibly difficult day today for all of us. April has never done any press before and was incredibly nervous. (any person that feels they can make a derogatory comment, please expect to be deleted without explanation). Due to some of the comments going up, I feel I have to explain the circumstances for those that are not watching her interview and putting comments on.

April and Corrie have been seeing each other for a short time before Corrie went missing. They were just getting to the stage of moving to the next step and becoming more serious, talking about their future together (just like any young couple). April went to America with her family for a holiday to watch her father who was completing a run, this had been arranged for a long time.
April was in America when Corrie went missing, although at the other side of the world, April cut her holiday short to come back home.

April attended her Dr's in the middle of October and it was confirmed she was pregnant. (it upsets me that I feel I have to clarify this, but some people are trying to claim that April and even Corrie knew prior to this.THIS IS NOT THE CASE.) At this time April told a select few people she was pregnant, and as she had an incredibly difficult decision to make April asked that nothing was said privately or publicly about her relationship with Corrie at this time. Corrie did not know or have any idea that April was pregnant.. April has made the decision, which we fully support, not to tell the public when she is due, as again, this will be a media circus and it is utterly unfair to expect a young girl to cope with this especially given what she is going through.

As it is factually correct to be saying Corrie was single and enjoying this, as they were both seeing other people initially. I had no problem what so ever in protecting April during this time, The police were fully aware of the circumstances, so this had no effect on the investigation in any way shape or form. (you were not lied too, if you feel so strongly that you were and unjustly treated, you are perhaps not best placed staying on this page)

Being pregnant can be a stressful and emotional time at best, but under these circumstances the pressure April is under is immense. The thought that the media attention will now be directed at her when all she wants, like us all, is Corrie home is causing April even more stress. However people were starting to work it out and were sending me and her comments, this was becoming more and more public. April had got safely through her first trimester safely she felt now was the time to say publicly as she was scared it would come out with out the correct facts and possibly in a manner that would cause even more anxiety and effect the search for Corrie.

On a personal note, this is my first grandchild, never in my worst nightmares did I ever consider this is how it would happen, It should be the happiest time in all our lives, It is incredibly hard to keep emotions in check but I have to. Corrie is missing. we need him back, i need to know have done absolutely every single thing in my power and ability to find Corrie, not just for my own sanity and that of my boys, but also for this innocent child.

If people wish to make comments, i do understand the need people feel to do this, can they please send these in private messages only. We do not wish any comments on the main page.This is Aprils request, which I fully support.thank you.

Nicola, Makeyan, Darroch and family x
 
  • #876
I'm still trying desperately to plainly see the relevance in our latest bombshell

pregnancy can only be hidden for so long, if people were already starting to speculate (which another poster said the local press were) on her then the more they don't talk about it the more people will bring it into the conspiracy ideas. She can only be protected for so long so confirm her pregnancy and then ask for privacy. seems pretty straight forward to me.
 
  • #877
Hi all,
I've been wanting to post for a while due to things I've read but not being able to discuss on here.
I believe that the reasons for April not being mentioned before, was simply to protect her and to stop any distractions to the investigation. I don't think for one minute it was done to deceive the public. Being so close to Corrie the poor girl would have been hounded for information, there would have been accusations and assumptions if she was something to do with his disappearance. personally feel they did the right thing at the time.
As for the release of the video showing where Corrie could have walked without being seen on CCTV, I do believe he walked away from the initial area he was in.
There was talk of the Marham incident as being a revenge attack and I am wondering if it was a case of mistaken identity. Corrie did visit there regular, was it possible as I think someone else mentioned on here, that he was visiting April? Did a jealous ex want to harm him and paid someone to ruff him up or abduct him? Had there been previous altercations between Corrie and her ex, was he jealous she chose Corrie over him?
I'm wondering if it's possible that there was an ex that wanted to either harm Corrie or just punish him by making him appear AWOL but then it became too public for him to be let go. (This doesn't seem as feasible now I've wrote it down!) did an ex know his movements, as he was familiar to Corrie not just because he was April's ex?
You have to excuse me as I wrote far more but for some reason only part of my post posted! The original sounded so much better lol!
 
  • #878
Of course he knew- as soon as she was late it would have been mentioned between them. Thats how it works.

you say this how it works as if we are all robots living identical lives. What works for some may not work for others. Some women have unpredictable cycles (medical conditions, lifestyle, just bad luck) and so being late is not an immediate presumption of pregnancy.
 
  • #879
There is another reasonable explanation for my previous hypothesis. Corrie just binned his phone, his contacts and his way of life in order to start again afresh somewhere. Not sure how that would be possible locally or even back home. He'd have to evade everything with the way the media circus has kicked in and now the new revelation of him becoming a father (if it's his). I believe his mother has his passport so no trips abroad. If he's alive (which we all sincerely hope he is), it'll be hard for him even with a non de plume.
JMO


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  • #880
I believe that the reasons for April not being mentioned before, was simply to protect her

bingo. pregnant and father of the baby missing and being publicly speculated on what happened would be hard enough as it is, add her name being dragged through the media and you have a very difficult situation to cope with.
 
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