UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #18

[Colin]

Do you have a link for the last sentence? I am not aware the police have ruled out anything atm. Also if they had better footage of the people then why wouldn't they use it?

The Mayor said this....

Yesterday I went to a Community meeting, called by Suffolk Constabulary, focused on the search for Corrie McKeague. They told us that they are now sure Corrie did not leave the "horseshoe area" in Brentgovel St. on foot.

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[Blueazman74]

Having done more research, the waste transfer station at Red Lodge (used for BSE waste) falls within the radius of the BM mast. The site, which appears to be alongside car scrapyards looks (from Google Earth) to be very easily accessible to anyone. Now, what if, having gone elsewhere in BSE such as a party, something happened and he was taken with his phone to that waste transfer site and perhaps put in waste that was already there, having been processed, waiting to be taken to Milton landfill that morning? The site starts operating on Saturdays from 7.30am and the phone would go off the BM mast shortly after leaving the site, around 8am?

The original bin lorry going on its supposed route to BM roundabout would get into the BM mast range at around the same distance from the mast as would a car on the road that goes to Red Lodge. That scenario would explain the lack of forensic evidence of that bin lorry and would 'loosely correlate' with the route and time it took to get into the mast range. It would also explain why nothing was picked up in the processes the waste goes through.

ETA: Apologies for all the posts in a row.

Are they definitely as the same site? A quick Google seems to show it at a different site. Just across the A11 opposite Red Lodge Cafe.

Good find either way though.


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[Reallyodd]

There are traffic cams unless the vehicle went via Cannon street (wrong way) which has private cam, and if SP got footage. I am hoping SP will be pursuing the vehicle leads and the buildings and any other angles also during this 10 week landfill search period. Hopefully they can complete that search in a shorter space of time for the family's sake. There is still an appeal out for vehicles to come forward if they were in SB, Brentgovel, Cannon St areas 23.00 -08.00 .

Even if a vehicle came in via Cannon Street, at that time of night, it would need to be checked out I would have thought. Yes, I hope they focus on the vehicles as they seem to be sure that C went in one.

 

[Reallyodd]

Are they definitely as the same site? A quick Google seems to show it at a different site. Just across the A11 opposite Red Lodge Cafe.

Good find either way though.

It took a lot of searching and reading to find all the information among council documents, planning etc, archaeology reports even which located it close to the river and said that the waste then goes directly to Milton (after processing). So technically Suffolk CC are right in that they don't send waste to landfill, but the contractor they use does. I did have a problem locating it in that I had more than one address for it, but although I googled the addresses and went onto maps and streetview, I couldn't go down the long, narrow lanes to it but looking on google earth they came out to the same place anyway. Then it was easier to spot with the archaeological info of being by the river.

 

[TerryB]

I am seriously leaning towards the view that if foul play is involved that any perpetrator may well have been planning this for some time. The reason I came to this opinion is due to the slow pace of this investigation due to lack of any perceivable evidence (apart from C phone travelling to Barton Mills). This would have been planned to precision in my view.
It strikes me that if C was abducted under false pretences then the perpetrator could well have been observing C, studying his routine, such as where he drank, how much alcohol he consumed, who he hung around with. It's a sad fact of life that if somebody takes a dislike to someone for the slightest reason there are people out there sick enough to commit evil & nasty crimes against another person. If someone took offence to C outgoing persona, or felt threatened.
If this is what has happened they have tried to commit the perfect crime, leaving little or no evidence & perhaps having good knowledge of the CCTV in BSE.
If C has been attacked it wouldn't surprise me that someone very local could be responsible, & perhaps even involving more than one person.
They are my personal thoughts on this. Like everyone else I would love for this to have a happy ending, but we must be realistic at the same time.

I hope people don't think I've been reading too many Agatha Christie books by the way. I must add I'm completely new to this sort of website.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I have seen that already but I don't give that any weight, as we are allowed, because it has not come direct from the police.

Also perhaps the mayor may wish to explain why Suffolk is sending waste to landfill without telling anybody?

Thanks for below info Colin but I commented earlier today on this link as shown by my reply above.

The Mayor said this....

Yesterday I went to a Community meeting, called by Suffolk Constabulary, focused on the search for Corrie McKeague. They told us that they are now sure Corrie did not leave the "horseshoe area" in Brentgovel St. on foot.

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpermalink.php%3Fstory_fbid%3D256864964738100%26id%3D100012437956196

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I can certainly think of a scenario that, while not premeditated murder, could explain the seeming lack of evidence, TerryB. I don't think I should elaborate on this yet, though.

I still think the truth is more likely to be mundane and sad, though.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Also perhaps the mayor may wish to explain why Suffolk is sending waste to landfill without telling anybody?

It took a lot of searching and reading to find all the information among council documents, planning etc, archaeology reports even which located it close to the river and said that the waste then goes directly to Milton (after processing). So technically Suffolk CC are right in that they don't send waste to landfill, but the contractor they use does. I did have a problem locating it in that I had more than one address for it, but although I googled the addresses and went onto maps and streetview, I couldn't go down the long, narrow lanes to it but looking on google earth they came out to the same place anyway. Then it was easier to spot with the archaeological info of being by the river.

Funny you mention the river (the Kennett) as that is the Suffolk/Cambs boundary at Red Lodge. South of the River being Cambs. Red Lodge is on the edge of the BM mast area too being 3 miles from the mast on the BM roundabout so it does seem to tie in. Milton is then approximately 18 miles SW of Red Lodge.

Eta googling red lodge waste transfer station shows it is technically in east cambs not Suffolk and there has been a lot of controversy over this site for some years re Suffolk waste disposal.

 

[Colin]

Thanks for below info Colin but I commented earlier today on this link as shown by my reply above.

Do you think the Mayor could be telling lies?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Well done for all that sleuthing Really BTW. Looks like you have found where that recycling lorry emptied it's load for sorting after all this time. IMO of course.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Do you think the Mayor could be telling lies?

I prefer SP updates ( iaw the rules allow me) to any other as I already explained.

 

[Reallyodd]

Funny you mention the river (the Kennett) as that is the Suffolk/Cambs boundary at Red Lodge. South of the River being Cambs. Red Lodge is on the edge of the BM mast area too being 3 miles from the mast on the BM roundabout so it does seem to tie in. Milton is then approximately 18 miles SW of Red Lodge.

Eta googling red lodge waste transfer station shows it is technically in east cambs not Suffolk and there has been a lot of controversy over this site for some years re Suffolk waste disposal.

Indeed there has Shires, that's how I found the info. (in a 416 page pdf) As I said in response to Blueazman, I got rather confused with the different addresses while searching for it. The correct address is: The Carrops, Green Lane, but the council refer to it as either. No more confusion now because I have just found a beautiful piece of info where it is marked on Google Earth and you can see photos of it and it is right next to the river as the archaeological report said. https://realla.co/to-rent/details/1f36aefe9c484a4c8039e75a385cd7e7

 

[Reallyodd]

Well done for all that sleuthing Really BTW. Looks like you have found where that recycling lorry emptied it's load for sorting after all this time. IMO of course.

Thank you. The recycling lorry may have emptied at another WTS in Mildenhall or Thetford. There are three that the council use under contract and all are privately owned. The Red Lodge one is where most BSE waste is taken and has direct links with Milton landfill.

 

[Colin]

Having done more research, the waste transfer station at Red Lodge (used for BSE waste) falls within the radius of the BM mast. The site, which appears to be alongside car scrapyards looks (from Google Earth) to be very easily accessible to anyone. Now, what if, having gone elsewhere in BSE such as a party, something happened and he was taken with his phone to that waste transfer site and perhaps put in waste that was already there, having been processed, waiting to be taken to Milton landfill that morning? The site starts operating on Saturdays from 7.30am and the phone would go off the BM mast shortly after leaving the site, around 8am?

The original bin lorry going on its supposed route to BM roundabout would get into the BM mast range at around the same distance from the mast as would a car on the road that goes to Red Lodge. That scenario would explain the lack of forensic evidence of that bin lorry and would 'loosely correlate' with the route and time it took to get into the mast range. It would also explain why nothing was picked up in the processes the waste goes through.

ETA: Apologies for all the posts in a row.

Is that site for commercial as well as household waste?

Makes sense what you are saying. Out in a car, then moved on to Red Lodge.

 

[Reallyodd]

Is that site for commercial as well as household waste?

Makes sense what you are saying. Out in a car, then moved on to Red Lodge.

I am not 100% sure if it is Colin. I just know from my research that the council have a contract with it to take the BSE waste.

 

[Reallyodd]

Is that site for commercial as well as household waste?

Makes sense what you are saying. Out in a car, then moved on to Red Lodge.

Finally found the info: http://www.mtsenvironmental.co.uk/tip/id/4983

 

[Scorpio1]

a bin and HS free post for a change, now we know that corrie parked in Robert boby way, in one of the two disabled spaces, all the other parking spaces along that road are at the rear of property apart from the two disabled bays, what was the reason to park in such a place I have to think, he would not have been under the limit to drive until at least 12 plus hours after his. Last drink, IMO he parked in that space knowing that he would get a ticket,

 

[Blueazman74]

Indeed there has Shires, that's how I found the info. (in a 416 page pdf) As I said in response to Blueazman, I got rather confused with the different addresses while searching for it. The correct address is: The Carrops, Green Lane, but the council refer to it as either. No more confusion now because I have just found a beautiful piece of info where it is marked on Google Earth and you can see photos of it and it is right next to the river as the archaeological report said. https://realla.co/to-rent/details/1f36aefe9c484a4c8039e75a385cd7e7

Excellent, that's the site I found. There is another vehicle dismantling yard north of that, which is the one I thought you meant originally.


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[suzyjackson]

Thank you. The recycling lorry may have emptied at another WTS in Mildenhall or Thetford. There are three that the council use under contract and all are privately owned. The Red Lodge one is where most BSE waste is taken and has direct links with Milton landfill.

I'm not fully up to speed on the new details you've found, good work on that, but am I right that the contents of bin lorries would be hand searched at the WTS? Is it at all likley that a body wouldn't be detected at this stage?

 

[Officer Dibble]

a bin and HS free post for a change, now we know that corrie parked in Robert boby way, in one of the two disabled spaces, all the other parking spaces along that road are at the rear of property apart from the two disabled bays, what was the reason to park in such a place I have to think, he would not have been under the limit to drive until at least 12 plus hours after his. Last drink, IMO he parked in that space knowing that he would get a ticket,

I believe there is a shortage of parking wardens in the town so possibly known you wouldn't get a ticket.