UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #18

[Blueazman74]

Sorry TWO, I disagree as you missed the bit above the list of where she walked where it explains that she walks as far as C could possibly go without being seen and she walks all the way to the first house on SB. This is what it said in full:
"Nicola (Corrie’s mother) walks the route that Corrie took into the horseshoes area. (BBM)She then walks the possible route that Corrie could take without being seen on CCTV
(Please note that Corrie could not go any further on foot without being seen on CCTV) (their bold)The following footage displays:

• Nicola walking into the horseshoe rotates.
• Nicola walking about in the horseshoe area.
• Nicola crossing the road to get to the second smaller loading bay
• Nicola having access to all the buildings on that side of the road

All of the above can be achieved without being seen on CCTV."

I'd agree with TWO, the reason N walks up and shows where the cameras are on the back of the shopping centre is the same as she does for the front. And that's because that's the cameras that would capture those passing.


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[TheTruthWillOut]

Sorry TWO, I disagree as you missed the bit above the list of where she walked where it explains that she walks as far as C could possibly go without being seen and she walks all the way to the first house on SB. This is what it said in full:
"Nicola (Corrie’s mother) walks the route that Corrie took into the horseshoes area. (BBM)She then walks the possible route that Corrie could take without being seen on CCTV
(Please note that Corrie could not go any further on foot without being seen on CCTV) (their bold)The following footage displays:

• Nicola walking into the horseshoe rotates.
• Nicola walking about in the horseshoe area.
• Nicola crossing the road to get to the second smaller loading bay
• Nicola having access to all the buildings on that side of the road

All of the above can be achieved without being seen on CCTV."

But look at the attached map with all the cameras on it:

I agree the wording is ambiguous but I still think it is clear enough otherwise 6 months have been wasted if he could simply walk down SB when the Greenwoods camera turned away. <modsnip>

 

[Colin]

Could he have been in the back of the bin lorry and dumped somewhere before all the different processes? Could he have been in the cab and dumped at the landfill or somewhere else?

I'm back thinking about the bin lorry, especially the cab. Taken out of the HS in the cab, killed and dumped in a remote bin. Sounds simple.....forensics say no though.

Couldn't be in the rear of lorry, couldn't have walked out HS area and cadaver dogs say he wasn't in a bin.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I'm back thinking about the bin lorry, especially the cab. Taken out of the HS in the cab, killed and dumped in a remote bin. Sounds simple.....forensics say no though.

Couldn't be in the rear of lorry, couldn't have walked out HS area and cadaver dogs say he wasn't in a bin.

This is the puzzle, they seem fairly sure Corrie may be in the landfill but he can only have got there by bin/bin lorry as it's not open to the public. You would think if he had lain dead for a couple of days in any of those bins in the horseshoe or bin area #2, the cadaver dogs would have picked it up.

Last week I felt sick at the thought of him lying in a dump for 5 months, now I hope they find him there.I hope his cause of death is obvious and we can all move forward, whatever the next stage may be. Sorry if that sounds harsh but it's time....

 

[CRQ57]

I'm afraid but IMO we have all gone full circle here and there will be little that anyone can add at this stage given validation or accuracy of the information currently available. It would now seem that open public forums have been closed for various reasons. This will prevent / restrict the flow of local knowledge and the eyes on the ground. It will be down to the SM regulators having to comply with law but in doing so will hamper people coming forward with information. Technical analysis will be paramount in resolving the majority of this case and hopefully the remainder will follow. I really hope we can see a closure.

 

[Shiressleuth]

But look at the attached map with all the cameras on it:

I agree the wording is ambiguous but I still think it is clear enough otherwise 6 months have been wasted if he could simply walk down SB when the Greenwoods camera turned away. <modsnip>

It seems too obvious that one private camera (CSC rear) is so important but no one has been captured on it doesn't it? Even Wikipedia states only the one camera captured all the 39. (Could someone please post the wiki link on here as I am not able to thanks)

 

[Colin]

This is the puzzle, they seem fairly sure Corrie may be in the landfill but he can only have got there by bin/bin lorry as it's not open to the public. You would think if he had lain dead for a couple of days in any of those bins in the horseshoe or bin area #2, the cadaver dogs would have picked it up.

Last week I felt sick at the thought of him lying in a dump for 5 months, now I hope they find him there.I hope his cause of death is obvious and we can all move forward, whatever the next stage may be. Sorry if that sounds harsh but it's time....

If the police interviewed the bin lorry driver and he denied everything and all the processes of recycling say Corrie couldn't have been in the back of the lorry, the police must have thought the driver wasn't telling the truth to carry out forensics. Does that make sense?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

If the police interviewed the bin lorry driver and he denied everything and all the processes of recycling say Corrie couldn't have been in the back of the lorry, the police must have thought the driver wasn't telling the truth to carry out forensics. Does that make sense?

I always wondered if he'd been in the cab of the bin lorry, but given it didn't arrive for almost an hour after he did, what was he doing in that time? It makes more sense that he either got a lift in a different vehicle (was there an earlier one?) or there was an altercation and he got put into a separate bin.

We're at a t-junction - if he's not found at the landfill site we're very much stuck and probably have to go back on ourselves, if he is found we turn another way, down a long road with many side lanes. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I can't understand why no-one saw him enter the bin area when there was obviously people around at that time. I think if he had a quick wee and decided to run out quickly around back of H/s where cars are usually parked along the route running man went against McDonald's perhaps the Cornhill cam wouldn't catch a fast moving image? Also the tree does partly obscure the h/s exit at that point because a lot of people have been confused where exactly the running man disappeared to. If the Greenwoods cam saw C go in, the cam would not be back at that position for another 3.5 minutes and then 4 minute wo/man would have seen him. Therefore C must have lost his phone then jogged straight out. I don't think he will be in landfill because I can't see how atm.

 

[Scorpio1]

I can't understand why no-one saw him enter the bin area when there was obviously people around at that time. I think if he had a quick wee and decided to run out quickly around back of H/s where cars are usually parked along the route running man went against McDonald's perhaps the Cornhill cam wouldn't catch a fast moving image? Also the tree does partly obscure the h/s exit at that point because a lot of people have been confused where exactly the running man disappeared to. If the Greenwoods cam saw C go in, the cam would not be back at that position for another 3.5 minutes and then 4 minute wo/man would have seen him. Therefore C must have lost his phone then jogged straight out. I don't think he will be in landfill because I can't see how atm.

with what facts we have that is very little, IMO it is possible that he left the HS in a car around 3.30 time , maybe the car that was going the wrong way, phone in recycling bin for what ever reason, I've not seen any thing that has said it is not possible , the vehicle times are not reliable They keep changing, we do not know that the bin lorry was the fist to depart the HS , IMOIMO

 

[Reallyodd]

It seems too obvious that one private camera (CSC rear) is so important but no one has been captured on it doesn't it? Even Wikipedia states only the one camera captured all the 39. (Could someone please post the wiki link on here as I am not able to thanks)

As I understand, the private camera belonged to a householder on SB and hence why N in her video went up to the first house. I do wonder though if that last frame showed the rear CSC camera as they couldn't show the one that belongs to the person, or to imply that that camera would see everything.

Here's the Wiki link: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Corrie_McKeague
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[Reallyodd]

with what facts we have that is very little, IMO it is possible that he left the HS in a car around 3.30 time , maybe the car that was going the wrong way, phone in recycling bin for what ever reason, I've not seen any thing that has said it is not possible , the vehicle times are not reliable They keep changing, we do not know that the bin lorry was the fist to depart the HS , IMOIMO

The more I've seen that last video of him, the more convinced I am that he walked/trotted along in the shadows so as not to be seen and so making himself a bit less vulnerable. If he was that confident, why didn't he walk down the middle bit? Also, when he got to the end, where the post is, he appears to me to be going into a left turn, into SB, but stops, looks over to HS, checks around and goes for a tiddle. After that, with camera facing another direction, he goes over to SB loading bay and gets in a car that's already there. They go off elsewhere in BSE (I still have a party in mind) and later they leave and go to BM. His phone, could have been either lost wherever he was in BM area or maybe it was left in the car.

 

[Reallyodd]

Having done more research, the waste transfer station at Red Lodge (used for BSE waste) falls within the radius of the BM mast. The site, which appears to be alongside car scrapyards looks (from Google Earth) to be very easily accessible to anyone. Now, what if, having gone elsewhere in BSE such as a party, something happened and he was taken with his phone to that waste transfer site and perhaps put in waste that was already there, having been processed, waiting to be taken to Milton landfill that morning? The site starts operating on Saturdays from 7.30am and the phone would go off the BM mast shortly after leaving the site, around 8am?

The original bin lorry going on its supposed route to BM roundabout would get into the BM mast range at around the same distance from the mast as would a car on the road that goes to Red Lodge. That scenario would explain the lack of forensic evidence of that bin lorry and would 'loosely correlate' with the route and time it took to get into the mast range. It would also explain why nothing was picked up in the processes the waste goes through.

ETA: Apologies for all the posts in a row.

 

[Colin]

with what facts we have that is very little, IMO it is possible that he left the HS in a car around 3.30 time , maybe the car that was going the wrong way, phone in recycling bin for what ever reason, I've not seen any thing that has said it is not possible , the vehicle times are not reliable They keep changing, we do not know that the bin lorry was the fist to depart the HS , IMOIMO

If you consider what the police have done during their investigation it doesn't make much sense about an early vehicle. The police searched the roadsides back to camp, put up a helicopter and seized the bin lorry for forensics.

I wonder how many of the potential witnesses had been eliminated from their enquiry before they done the above?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Having done more research, the waste transfer station at Red Lodge (used for BSE waste) falls within the radius of the BM mast. The site, which appears to be alongside car scrapyards looks (from Google Earth) to be very easily accessible to anyone. Now, what if, having gone elsewhere in BSE such as a party, something happened and he was taken with his phone to that waste transfer site and perhaps put in waste that was already there, having been processed, waiting to be taken to Milton landfill that morning? The site starts operating on Saturdays from 7.30am and the phone would go off the BM mast shortly after leaving the site, around 8am?

The original bin lorry going on its supposed route to BM roundabout would get into the BM mast range at around the same distance from the mast as would a car on the road that goes to Red Lodge. That scenario would explain the lack of forensic evidence of that bin lorry and would 'loosely correlate' with the route and time it took to get into the mast range. It would also explain why nothing was picked up in the processes the waste goes through.

ETA: Apologies for all the posts in a row.

That's a good point about Red Lodge. I thought that was just a scrap yard and didn't know there is a waste transfer station there. Thanks for posting the wiki link.

 

[Shiressleuth]

But look at the attached map with all the cameras on it:

I agree the wording is ambiguous but I still think it is clear enough otherwise 6 months have been wasted if he could simply walk down SB when the Greenwoods camera turned away. <modsnip>

Which were the three not working? Anyone know ?

 

[LorriB]

It seems too obvious that one private camera (CSC rear) is so important but no one has been captured on it doesn't it? Even Wikipedia states only the one camera captured all the 39. (Could someone please post the wiki link on here as I am not able to thanks)

We don't know nobody was captured on it though. Perhaps the quality isn't as good as some of the other cameras so any images used for identification were taken from other cameras. The theory that the absence of any evidence it was working means it wasn't can't really apply in a case where we only see what has been decided.

I can't see where on wiki it says only one camera captured all 39. I only see this: "39 people are seen on the same CCTV camera as the last one to record McKeague's transit".

If Corrie could have walked out of SB why would the police be confident he left in a vehicle?

 

[LorriB]

Which were the three not working? Anyone know ?

None of the ones in the diagram as they are they ones that Tony said he couldn't have passed without being seen.

I recall Nicola saying they didn't know what he did in the horseshoe itself because there were three cameras that weren't working. I remember her saying that she hoped this would get the businesses concerned to sort them out. Trying to find a link for it at the moment.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Which were the three not working? Anyone know ?

As LorriB says all the ones in the image work. I have just been watching Tony's FB Live and he confirms that the non-working cameras were in the horseshoe itself (I think one can be seen on Google Streetview above the F12 door). He also confirms Corrie could only go as far as the loading bay behind Mill House/Furniture Market before then being captured on static cameras that cover three ways out. Only CSC has three cameras.

I'm not sure if linking the FB Live directly is allowed but it is on the first post of this thread.

 

[Shiressleuth]

We don't know nobody was captured on it though. Perhaps the quality isn't as good as some of the other cameras so any images used for identification were taken from other cameras. The theory that the absence of any evidence it was working means it wasn't can't really apply in a case where we only see what has been decided.

I can't see where on wiki it says only one camera captured all 39. I only see this: "39 people are seen on the same CCTV camera as the last one to record McKeague's transit".

If Corrie could have walked out of SB why would the police be confident he left in a vehicle?

Do you have a link for the last sentence? I am not aware the police have ruled out anything atm. Also if they had better footage of the people then why wouldn't they use it?