UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[hermes&&]

No my premise is that the waste company told the truth about wha they considered the bin to weigh, but this was an estimate based on aggregated collections which are common for this type of waste. Biffa haven't broken any laws but the public are likely to suggest that their processes contributed to the death of a serviceman, despite them being entirely legal....

Hang on it's been categorically stated that the bin that was collected at about the right time was weighed.

In think we can really on that statement. It wasn't an estimate, it was an individual weight.



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[PilgrimsPrayer]

In the same way that until they can categorically rule it out/in any suggestion he was in he bin would be horrific for the family/supporters

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Hang on it's been categorically stated that the bin that was collected at about the right time was weighed.

In think we can really on that statement. It wasn't an estimate, it was an individual weight.



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They knew the collection time and hey knew the load weight overall so they can estimate, that is industry standard for non-landfill

 

[JamesKing]

Anyway, I am pretty satisfied that the bin was collected at around 3.52am
It weighed 11 kilos
It was likely the last bin of the morning, as the route to Mildenhall / Barton is in that direction.
From there, it was transferred to a larger hopper and compacted.
That probably happened at 4.20am, the time of the last ping.
At no point in that transfer was the rubbish sorted.
At some point later (the incinerator runs 24 hours), it was likely moved to Ipswich and burnt.

Talk of "landfill" and "waste paper" are irrelevant, but have been used consistently by the police and the family, in order that it would not influence the newspaper headlines and so effect the search.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

But doesn't the bin lorry compact to fit more in?

I'm still wondering about the families use of the word landfill. Why keep saying that when there aren't any? Are they just using a generic term so as not to name a certain company or do they really mean a landfill site?

Not on DMR as it needs to be sorted (plastic wrap sells for £300 per tonne versus £70 on cardboard).

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Anyway, I am pretty satisfied that the bin was collected at around 3.52am
It weighed 11 kilos
It was likely the last bin of the morning, as the route to Mildenhall / Barton is in that direction.
From there, it was transferred to a larger hopper and compacted.
That probably happened at 4.20am, the time of the last ping.
At no point in that transfer was the rubbish sorted.
At some point later (the incinerator runs 24 hours), it was likely moved to Ipswich and burnt.

Talk of "landfill" and "waste paper" are irrelevant, but have been used consistently by the police and the family, in order that it would not influence the newspaper headlines and so effect the search.

So you believe he was incinerated?

 

[guruagain]

The things you learn in the process of sleuthing! "And today, children, we're mainly going to be talking about bins"

We don't know for certain whether it was a Biffa bin, a council bin, or any other type of bin. We don't know for certain where it went. We don't know for certain whether the phone was on board or not. So frustrating!

It is like pulling teeth, add to that the insistance that the last ping was "4.20 am" .... The last movement was 4.20 am the last ping must have been 8am for the police to know that timeframe. The police must also know whether this last ping was a standard "I am still here ping" (followed by phone destruction/dropping in water etc) or a "I am turning off now" ping (caused by phone being switched off or by phone before it shut down due to low battery). Not that they would tell us I suppose but the difference is crucial.

 

[JamesKing]

They knew the collection time and hey knew the load weight overall so they can estimate, that is industry standard for non-landfill

Last point on this bloomin bin !

The bin wagon picks up the bin. It weighs it as it lifts.
The bin is also weighed on the way down.
One is taken away from the other...and hey presto, that's how it's done.

It is a recognised, industry wide, common practice, method.
So much so, the company that makes it...and the manufacturer of bin wagons, has a youtube video on it !

 

[guruagain]

But doesn't the bin lorry compact to fit more in?

I'm still wondering about the families use of the word landfill. Why keep saying that when there aren't any? Are they just using a generic term so as not to name a certain company or do they really mean a landfill site?

To be fair the family can't even get his job and role correct - Small details are so important but obviously they have a lot more on their minds that what words to use when.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

On general waste, DMR is an entirely different commodity (literally). General waste you pay landfill tax per tonne, hence the mechanism for weight.

But yes, enough on the bin!

Last point on this bloomin bin !

The bin wagon picks up the bin. It weighs it as it lifts.
The bin is also weighed on the way down.
One is taken away from the other...and hey presto, that's how it's done.

It is a recognised, industry wide, common practice, method.
So much so, the company that makes it...and the manufacturer of bin wagons, has a youtube video on it !

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

The last ping indicates it was stationary, the 8AM shut down is in keeping with a theory of crushing/incineration.

It is like pulling teeth, add to that the insistance that the last ping was "4.20 am" .... The last movement was 4.20 am the last ping must have been 8am for the police to know that timeframe. The police must also know whether this last ping was a standard "I am still here ping" (followed by phone destruction/dropping in water etc) or a "I am turning off now" ping (caused by phone being switched off or by phone before it shut down due to low battery). Not that they would tell us I suppose but the difference is crucial.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

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I think it would help if I knew if the bin lorry theory is ruled in or out by posters here. Officially the bin lorry has been ruled out but the family don't seem to have completely ruled out Corrie made it to a "landfill" that Police decided not to search.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Just giving an insight in to why the bin weight shouldn't be taken as granted (from an industry insider).

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

For landfill read "awful end at a waste processing site" and you get why the police might not wish to tell a mother this unless they 100% know it to be fact. Would also indicate the scaling back of operations and the general deference to supporting the efforts of the family.

I think it would help if I knew if the bin lorry theory is ruled in or out by posters here. Officially the bin lorry has been ruled out but the family don't seem to have completely ruled out Corrie made it to a "landfill" that Police decided not to search.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Just for a clear summary from me:

He gets in a bin of mixed recyclab
bin isn't formally weighed because it never is due to the contract nature
Corrie gets out, injured
Phone stays in and is crushed
Corrie succumbs to his injuries close to the point he escaped (another collection point).

Genuine question: In your opinion, is this possible or feasible? If so, are we looking at the triangle route?

 

[JamesKing]

And that's the whole point !!!

I don't think the police nor the family think that Corrie is in, on, on top, or underneath the bin !
It seems that "a view is" that Corrie was waiting for someone.

The points to that were, he was offered a lift from the USAF guy, but didn't take it. However, it's not explained what the reason he gave to the American was.

There is a feeling that he "walked with purpose" to that area. He didn't stop anywhere else. He didn't look to see if there was anywhere else to go. He didn't look for a bench to sit on.... he went directly there.

The other thing was, he didn't call anyone whilst he was in the doorway, to say he was there. Or to say he was there and was early.

That is baffling. If a line of enquiry is, that he was due to meet someone later (say at 3.30am), then to not call them to say he was already there, seems very strange. Did he not have their number ? Did he not know them ? Was there no point in calling them as he knew they couldn't be there earlier ? It very baffling, if that is the case.

 

[guruagain]

The last ping indicates it was stationary, the 8AM shut down is in keeping with a theory of crushing/incineration.

No it isn't. The Police are using this timeline. ETA> "
Mobile phone records have shown that Corrie's Nokia Lumia 435 phone, usually kept in a tattered black PVC leather case, had been moved in a vehicle around ten miles from Bury St Edmunds to Barton Mills some time after 4 am on September 24.
It became disconnected from its network in Barton Mills at around 8am, but has not yet been found."


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/people-dont-just-disappear-mum-9004308

 

[MidsummersDay]

Hang on it's been categorically stated that the bin that was collected at about the right time was weighed.

In think we can really on that statement. It wasn't an estimate, it was an individual weight.b



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Agreed, 11kgs sounds fairly accurate to me.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Just giving an insight in to why the bin weight shouldn't be taken as granted (from an industry insider).

So the rfid chips can be got round then?

Also I'm not sure why it couldn't be possible Corrie was in one bin and the phone in another. The phone goes to Barton Mills in the 11KG load and Corrie is picked up by another bin lorry later that day or Sunday?

Now I don't know about when the next bin(s) were picked up and can only assume it has been looked in to but don't remember seeing anything to say the above has been ruled out?

 

[MidsummersDay]

They knew the collection time and hey knew the load weight overall so they can estimate, that is industry standard for non-landfill

So presumably they would know which bin was emptied and to where the 'end location' was as is required by law?