UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[PilgrimsPrayer]

100% possible, all recycling wagons have fail safes to open the compactor hatch, never mind that he is a serving Airman so likely to be opportunistic if an opening occurred for him to escape, despite injuries.

As stated, follow the collection points of the lorry on the assumption it is unloading at the AJ Thompson yard in Newmarket via Barton Mills.

A1101 from Bury to Barton Mills then up the A11 to Newmarket.

If not this then he was simply compacted and unloaded in Newmarket and is now on a boat to China along with the other 100 tonnes a week shipped from that yard.

Genuine question: In your opinion, is this possible or feasible? If so, are we looking at the triangle route?

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

As a matter of industry practice RFID chips are not included in recycling 1100L bins and even if they are, the reader is a manual
switch which the driver almost certainly did not activate as he would not have done so. Nobody weighs recycling.

So the rfid chips can be got round then?

Also I'm not sure why it couldn't be possible Corrie was in one bin and the phone in another. The phone goes to Barton Mills in the 11KG load and Corrie is picked up by another bin lorry later that day or Sunday?

Now I don't know about when the next bin(s) were picked up and can only assume it has been looked in to but don't remember seeing anything to say the above has been ruled out?

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Yes, their waste carrier license requires this as will the client disposal note however these are not provided at the point of collection.

So presumably they would know which bin was emptied and to where the 'end location' was as is required by law?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I think it would help if I knew if the bin lorry theory is ruled in or out by posters here. Officially the bin lorry has been ruled out but the family don't seem to have completely ruled out Corrie made it to a "landfill" that Police decided not to search.

I honestly don't think anything CAN be ruled in or out. We haven't got much information and what we have may not be reliable. There is no way of us lot resolving the bin question because we simply do not know enough and there are many variables. Short of one of our local members heading down to the bins at 3:30am tonight and hanging around waiting to see which bin lorry turns up, and then following it, I don't think we'll get much further on this subject.

 

[JamesKing]

And following on from the "was he meeting somebody at 3.30am"....

...the D Notice.

If various possibilities have been excluded by the investigation team (absent without leave, collision with a motor vehicle, being in the bin), then there will be a line of enquiry in to Corrie's background, his previous movements and associations and so forth.

Due to Corrie being a member of the armed forces, if such an in-depth look into his life was forming a line of enquiry, it will probably include his previous operations, tours of duty and deployments both past and future as a member of the RAF Regiment.

That alone would be grounds to trigger a D Notice.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

The waste carrier was Biffa

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

@PilgrimsPrayer

Could you post a sequence of events of what you think may have happened? It would make it so much easier to understand!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The waste carrier was Biffa

Definitely? Have you got a link please?

 

[MidsummersDay]

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'Micro mast' should read macromast. The Barton Mills mast is a GSM Macromast. The signal was picked up by one of several Barton Mills macromasts. Vodaphone is one of them. The others are T mobile and 3 I believe.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

The D notice related to the prevention of exposing the "outside the wire" routines of Corrie's comrades.

And following on from the "was he meeting somebody at 3.30am"....

...the D Notice.

If various possibilities have been excluded by the investigation team (absent without leave, collision with a motor vehicle, being in the bin), then there will be a line of enquiry in to Corrie's background, his previous movements and associations and so forth.

Due to Corrie being a member of the armed forces, if such an in-depth look into his life was forming a line of enquiry, it will probably include his previous operations, tours of duty and deployments both past and future as a member of the RAF Regiment.

That alone would be grounds to trigger a D Notice.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

'Micro mast' should read macromast. The Barton Mills mast is a GSM Macromast. The signal was picked up by one of several Barton Mills macromasts. Vodaphone is one of them. The others are T mobile and 3 I believe.

'Micro mast' is also used on the family statement on their website:

"The police traced Corrie&#8217;s mobile phone to a micro mast in the area of Barton Mills in the early hours on Saturday September 24."

Could it be a different mast? The website states 'in the area of Barton Mills' which is a bit more vague.

 

[MidsummersDay]

@PilgrimsPrayer

Could you post a sequence of events of what you think may have happened? It would make it so much easier to understand!

Green = Corrie's confirmed route
Pink = Pedestrian only areas (no vehicular access)
Dark grey = Vehiclur access

Arrows show direction of travel for vehicles

 

[Amonet]

I honestly don't think anything CAN be ruled in or out. We haven't got much information and what we have may not be reliable. There is no way of us lot resolving the bin question because we simply do not know enough and there are many variables. Short of one of our local members heading down to the bins at 3:30am tonight and hanging around waiting to see which bin lorry turns up, and then following it, I don't think we'll get much further on this subject.

I think the best thing is to do what the police are probably doing, and that's to run multiple tacks at the same time.

So you have a flowchart and you say:

"Corrie's phone was in the bin" --> then what?
OR
"Corrie's phone got to Barton Mills some other way" --> then what?

So i think it's best to focus on the steps in the flowchart that exist either side of the "was the phone in the bin? yes/no" section. But I think we can rule out Corrie being in the bin, and it's probably 60/40 against the phone being in the bin?

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Corrie has an alarm set for 3AM as he normally leaves this time with friends.
He expects them to walk past his position down to Short Brackland where they typically congregate (maybe visit McDonald's)
They don't walk past so he heads down there.
No sign of anyone so he enters the bin.
Bin collects him.
At some point between the bin collection and the bins final destination (Newmarket) he escapes without his phone. NB he may have been with the phone when it pinged the mast.
He attempts to walk but succumbs to his injuries somewhere off the A11 or A1101.
At 8AM an operative turns on a compactor of the waste he was carried in and crushes the phone.

@PilgrimsPrayer

Could you post a sequence of events of what you think may have happened? It would make it so much easier to understand!

 

[MidsummersDay]

'Micro mast' is also used on the family statement on their website:

"The police traced Corrie&#8217;s mobile phone to a micro mast in the area of Barton Mills in the early hours on Saturday September 24."

Could it be a different mast? The website states 'in the area of Barton Mills' which is a bit more vague.

I'm led to believe that a macro mast (sometimes referred to as a macromast) is the larger of the three domestic phone mast before they go gigantic. It also refers to the cell size (macro, micro, pico). If it's MICRO then according to my research it ain the one I've been looking into, but a smaller one with a smaller footprint of connection. This is important as it would potentially narrow down the location of the phone's last position before it gave up its power!

 

[MelmothTheLost]

As stated, follow the collection points of the lorry on the assumption it is unloading at the AJ Thompson yard in Newmarket via Barton Mills.

A1101 from Bury to Barton Mills then up the A11 to Newmarket.

That doesn't make sense. Why would any vehicle go from BSE to Newmarket via Barton Mills when it could drive direct from BSE to Newmarket straight along the A14?

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Because of other collection points on the route.

That doesn't make sense. Why would any vehicle go from BSE to Newmarket via Barton Mills when it could drive direct from BSE to Newmarket straight along the A14?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Because of other collection points on the route.

What other collection points?

I originally assumed that there would be other collections after the one from the back of Greggs, but others have said that was supposed to be the last one on the route.

Assuming you are right and there were other collections along the A1101, how long would each pick up take on average? We have 30 minutes to cover 12 miles. Assuming (for the sake of argument) the bin lorry does 40mph it would take around 10 minutes, leaving around 20 minutes for 1 or more pickups.

And if there was such a pickup, why wouldn't Corrie be banging frantically on the side and yelling his head off?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I'm led to believe that a macro mast (sometimes referred to as a macromast) is the larger of the three domestic phone mast before they go gigantic. It also refers to the cell size (macro, micro, pico). If it's MICRO then according to my research it ain the one I've been looking into, but a smaller one with a smaller footprint of connection. This is important as it would potentially narrow down the location of the phone's last position before it gave up its power!

Don't know if you have seen these or if they are useful but here are what I think are two masts on the fiveways roundabout:

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

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Outside the wire relates to the in depth analysis of Corries movements giving a clear indication of the habits of his fellow RAF personnel. Reconstructions etc would have required such elements to give context and it was decided that this would compromise national security.

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