UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[JamesKing]

I've been trying to find a link for the phone ping info, I agree with your recollection, there must be pings after 4.30am. There was in the early days a mention on Mildenhall at 8am based on pings but that seems to have gone away now

The police said that "8am" thing at a Press Conference.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Source: EADT
Dated: 04 Oct 2016
"Yesterday police announced a bin lorry which had travelled from Bury to Barton Mills was seized for examination because its movements matched that of Mr McKeague’s phone.
The phone, a Nokia Lumia 435, was traced by police looking for Mr McKeague, who lives at RAF Honington, and its movements matched those of the lorry.
However it has not been found and the bin lorry has been released by Suffolk Constabulary. The driver of the lorry was interviewed by police and searches will be undertaken at points the lorry may have discarded rubbish to see if there was a phone in the refuse.
Now attention is turning to finding any trace of Mr McKeague’s phone, thought to have been in a black PVC leather case which is described as frayed and worn around the edges."

 

[ByTheRiver]

Source: EADT
Dated: 04 Oct 2016
"Yesterday police announced a bin lorry which had travelled from Bury to Barton Mills was seized for examination because its movements matched that of Mr McKeague’s phone.
The phone, a Nokia Lumia 435, was traced by police looking for Mr McKeague, who lives at RAF Honington, and its movements matched those of the lorry.
However it has not been found and the bin lorry has been released by Suffolk Constabulary. The driver of the lorry was interviewed by police and searches will be undertaken at points the lorry may have discarded rubbish to see if there was a phone in the refuse.
Now attention is turning to finding any trace of Mr McKeague’s phone, thought to have been in a black PVC leather case which is described as frayed and worn around the edges."

At the beginning the phone pinged at 4.00am at Barton Mills and the bin lorry triggered a camera, the phone went dead at 8.00am and there was report of a sighting of him at 8.00am in Mildenhall. The bin lorry was not seized until 2 October some 8/9 days after he disappeared.

 

[Amonet]

But whatever time frame you have worked out, I see it as what I see it as.

The other bit in the puzzle is, it seems that the USAF guy offered him a lift home.

So food and two hours in the doorway...OR home, food, dog and bed ?
I guess I know what I would choose.

Do we know it was the USAF guy who offered him a lift home? I've read allusions to this offer of a lift home, but I don't know where anyone got it from?

At one point it was 'a friend' who Corrie told he was going to walk home, then it was a homeless man that Corrie gave some change to, so I'm skeptical about anything now in case it's someone putting two and two together to make five.

 

[ByTheRiver]

The police said that "8am" thing at a Press Conference.

This is the Police uodate from 2 October re 8am
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

 

[suzyjackson]

The police said that "8am" thing at a Press Conference.

Thanks, that seems to gone quiet

 

[Tricksy]

From what I can gleam from the two info releases, so....

That area of town (Short Brackland loading area ?) is apparently known for drug deals and unsavoury people.
Corrie isn't into drugs

In the doorway people did come up to him, likely to see if he was okay.
Nothing can be seen on CCTV to suggest he was mugged in the doorway, although that is a rumour in Bury.

The mates he went out with did wonder where he was. They didn't phone him.
They got their taxi back to base

At around 4am the phone pings between Bury and Barton
The final ping was in the Barton area just after 4am
Corries phone arrived in Barton within a few minutes of the bin lorry.
The phone last pinged to a mast in Barton, this last ping was at 4.20am

Then there is some speculation about if he walked or was in a vehicle.
Some of it I don't understand, but here it is.

Walking. The only way he could have left Bury unseen would be if a sizeable van or lorry was parked in front of one of the cameras that would have picked him up, therefore obscured the view and blocked Corrie as he walked past.

My note.
I don't get that. Do they mean the one camera that's on a sweep, or are they talking about another camera ?
The sweep one wouldn't necessarily see him anyway. There are some in the market square however.

Vehicle. Nicola was asked if all the vehicles that left Bury between 3.24am and 4.20am have been checked by CCTV and ANPR, however because of the market stalls being set up, there were a large number of vehicles there.
This is still a work in progress as there are hundred to go through.

My note
And I didn't know that !

Waiting. After analysis, nothing can be seen from his body language to suggest he was waiting for someone. He made no calls, suggesting if he was, he didn't have their contact details, which would be unusual. However, he is awake at 03.08am and waits until 03.24am before he gets up. Due to that, it can not be ruled in or ruled out.


Barton Mills. Various places named for "dogging" and "gay dogging". It is noted that it is "highly suspicious" that his phone pinged near such dodgy areas. The note does confirm Corrie is straight.

The phone going off. It isn't understood if it was manually turned off or it ran out of battery.


There are some other issues raised after this, in question format. One or two stand out. Not sure what to make of them, but they do make you think. I'll come back to them later.

Short Brackland st is not an unsavoury area, nor is it a drug dealing area.

 

[ByTheRiver]

Regarding the .4.20am sighting it says on Suffolk Constabulary 5 October update and gives the description of the teenagers but it was the Thunderclap that said they were seen by the bin lorry driver.

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

 

[MidsummersDay]

Just found a very good insight into Biffa bin wagons, loading operations and 'sleepers'. BE AWARE it's unsettling. Here's the link:

[video=youtu;VsYzOSc-Ies]http://youtu.be/VsYzOSc-Ies[/video]

 

[Greater Than]

Mod Note:

The personalization needs to STOP.

Reply to the post, not the poster.

Keep in mind that this thread is not about you, it is about Corrie.

Again, if you disagree with someone, do so in a civil manner.

Thanks.

 

[Tillymint]

The more this case goes on, the more baffling it is. I think it's a crying shame that the police are struggling to cope with the scale of the inquiry, I can't imagine how frustrated Corrie's family must feel. I check here every day to see if there have been further developments but it seems like the case just goes around in circles. The D notice concerns me.

 

[ByTheRiver]

So if he wasnt dumped in the landfill which was never searched but the bin lorry was but not until 2 October, perhaps he got a lift to the wrong base, mobike reception is nin existent in the forest out there he walks home and ends up in water and this is the Inquest into the Adrian Lynch case who was 100 yards away from last known sighting, sonar, sar dogs and cadaver dogs, drones and humans did not find him. the pathologist also explains what can happen to corpses in water.

http://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/aaaa/?t=i#.WBu4QmUbirV

 

[JamesKing]

The police were (and probably are still) dealing with this case a "homicide, without a body".

When was that decided ? Is this just due to the time that has elapsed ?

Or do the police have a "potential suspect", but no evidence, no witnesses and no body.
This seems more than "a missing person" enquiry, more a "murder investigation".

 

[Tillymint]

I think after the amount of time that has lapsed and it being so out of character for Corrie to be out of contact with his family, the conclusion has to be that he has died. Either he has met with a tragic accident or someone has done something to cause his death. I did think initially that he would turn up in a river or a ditch somewhere and I suppose that could still happen. The Luke Durbin/silver car thing still niggles with me though. And then of course there could be the military/terrorist connection. The lack of clarity about Corrie's movements that night makes it all so bewildering though.

 

[mrazda71]

Thin line, I guess but I think the same. Especially as the sleeping in a doorway footage is 'distressing' as somebody posted before.

I wonder if they have searched camp. To be fair, I've spent the vast majority of military life in Germany where camp was absolutely huge but there were a few known ungated, unguarded points of camp that literally anybody could get onto camp from if they knew it was there. Not sure how big his base was and if that's a possibility, taking a shortcut across fields etc

I grew up near RAF Cosford and in the late 80's a Prostitute lived in Fulton block for months though I'd assume security is much better these days!

I think it would be "distressing" to have the world see my drunken child asleep and possibly dribbling on himself in a shop doorway so I can understand the family not needing the world to see that.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Just found a very good insight into Biffa bin wagons, loading operations and 'sleepers'. BE AWARE it's unsettling. Here's the link:

So these lorries have cameras inside the hopper which are monitored while the rubbish is being tipped into it. There's nothing I've seen to suggest that even if Corrie was sleeping in a bin he was too drunk to be jolted awake in this situation.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Just found a very good insight into Biffa bin wagons, loading operations and 'sleepers'. BE AWARE it's unsettling. Here's the link:

So these lorries have cameras inside the hopper which are monitored while the rubbish is being tipped into it. There's nothing I've seen to suggest that even if Corrie was sleeping in a bin he was too drunk to be jolted awake in this situation.

 

[hermes&&]

So these lorries have cameras inside the hopper which are monitored while the rubbish is being tipped into it. There's nothing I've seen to suggest that even if Corrie was sleeping in a bin he was too drunk to be jolted awake in this situation.

Drunk or not he wasn't in the bin. It is impossible. The load was weighed and he wasn't there.

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[MelmothTheLost]

Drunk or not he wasn't in the bin. It is impossible. The load was weighed and he wasn't there.

Oh I agree. It's just that the information about cameras inside the hopper further reinforces this reality. Yet we still seem to be talking ourselves round in circles about this bin lorry.

 

[hermes&&]

Oh I agree. It's just that the information about cameras inside the hopper further reinforces this reality. Yet we still seem to be talking ourselves round in circles about this bin lorry.

Yes exactly. The bin lorry could be relevant regarding the phone if it was on or in the bin and ended up in the hopper. But that's a big "if".