UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

[MelmothTheLost]

Yes exactly. The bin lorry could be relevant regarding the phone if it was on or in the bin and ended up in the hopper. But that's a big "if".

But why? We are pretty damned certain Corrie was not with his phone, and any data that might be relevant from the phone (eg emails, phone calls, messages etc) can all be obtained from the phone company.

The only thing that seems to require the actual phone is for possible fingerprints if a third party handled it, but if it is somewhere in landfill there's every chance any fingerprints will have been smudged beyond use.

There might be traces of a third person's DNA on the phone, but again it could have been badly contaminated by other materials the phone has come into contact with since leaving Corrie's possession.

 

[hermes&&]

But why? We are pretty damned certain Corrie was not with his phone, and any data that might be relevant from the phone (eg emails, phone calls, messages etc) can all be obtained from the phone company.

The only thing that seems to require the actual phone is for possible fingerprints if a third party handled it, but if it is somewhere in landfill there's every chance any fingerprints will have been smudged beyond use.

There might be traces of a third person's DNA on the phone, but again it could have been badly contaminated by other materials the phone has come into contact with since leaving Corrie's possession.

The driver/loader would have had a mobile phone have they traced the movements of the drivers phone because it should correlate exactly with corrie's phone if it was in the hopper.

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[MelmothTheLost]

The driver/loader would have had a mobile phone have they traced the movements of the drivers phone because it should correlate exactly with corrie's phone if it was in the hopper.

Yes, maybe, but what would that tell us? We already know Corrie was not with his phone IF his phone was in the bin lorry.

 

[hermes&&]

Yes, maybe, but what would that tell us? We already know Corrie was not with his phone IF his phone was in the bin lorry.

It would tell us whether corrie's phone was actually in the bin lorry or not

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[MelmothTheLost]

It would tell us whether corrie's phone was actually in the bin lorry or not

Which would tell us only that Corrie was not in the bin lorry.

I dunno. We seem to have become obsessed with the phone and the bin lorry, probably because we have so little other information to work with.

Let me put it this way: IF the phone was in the bin lorry AND the phone was found, what do you think it would tell us that we don't already know?

 

[hermes&&]

Which would tell us only that Corrie was not in the bin lorry.

I dunno. We seem to have become obsessed with the phone and the bin lorry, probably because we have so little other information to work with.

Let me put it this way: IF the phone was in the bin lorry AND the phone was found, what do you think it would tell us that we don't already know?

If found It tell us Corrie is not with his phone.

If correlated exactly tells us Corrie was definitely separated from his phone at short bracklands.

Neither point is certain as if now.

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[MelmothTheLost]

If found It tell us Corrie is not with his phone.

If correlated exactly tells us Corrie was definitely separated from his phone at short bracklands.

Neither point is certain as if now.

We know that the Biffa lorry weighs each load as it is being picked up, and that the weight of the pickup from the Greggs yard was was in the order of 20kg, FAR short of the weight required to include Corrie, alive or dead.

From the YouTube video link posted previously we now know that Biffa lorries have cameras inside the receiving hopper, and that the operator is supposed to open and make a quick check that there is nobody in the bin.

The police have forensically tested the bin lorry and are confident that he was not in it.

As far as I can see, the ONLY way Corrie and his phone could have traveled to BM in that lorry is if he cadged a lift in the cab with the driver and was dropped at or near the A11. But that would require the driver to lie consistently and for forensic trace of Corrie to be found in the cab. I don't believe the police would have released the lorry without checking the cab as well as the hopper. But they are confident he was not in the lorry.

See, I just don't see how it helps us to know exactly how and when he was separated from his phone. He had it at around 3.30am and did not when the bin lorry supposedly left with it at around 4am. There is no CCTV of him losing it, and the police seem to have identified, spoken to and ruled out everyone they know of in the area at the time. We (and the police) may never discover what happened in that half hour.

 

[c4nd1_83]

Just found a very good insight into Biffa bin wagons, loading operations and 'sleepers'. BE AWARE it's unsettling. Here's the link:

[video=youtu;VsYzOSc-Ies]http://youtu.be/VsYzOSc-Ies[/video]

This needs to be shown to Corries family.


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[MelmothTheLost]

This needs to be shown to Corries family.

Why? The police have said he was not in the bin lorry.

 

[MidsummersDay]

If found It tell us Corrie is not with his phone.

If correlated exactly tells us Corrie was definitely separated from his phone at short bracklands.

Neither point is certain as if now.

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Agreed.
It tells use when the phone was lost as the bin lorry as this could correlate with Corrie being in the area at a certain time. It also tells us where Corrie WASN'T at a certain time (when bin lorry arrives at Corries last known location) to when it switched itself off at Barton Mills....think about it.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Why? The police have said he was not in the bin lorry.

The curio here is Not wether he was in the bin lorry but to prove that his phone WASN'T. The bin lorry's weight collection from that location near the last CCTV footage was 11kgs. Obviously a body doesn't weigh so little BUT A PHONE may do?! That would defo explain the pinging onroute to BM.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Biffa typically tip recyclables at Newmarket (AJ Thompson) or Bolton Bros in Great Blakenham.

As as per my previous post, on dry recyclables there is rarely a collection charge due to the resale value, therefore weighing is not always needed as weight is used to determine unit of charge (following the rise of compacted waste).

 

[MidsummersDay]

Drunk or not he wasn't in the bin. It is impossible. The load was weighed and he wasn't there.

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Agreed. I believe the weight stated was 11kgs.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

The route for dry recyclables would encompass Bury, Mildenhall and Newmarket, depot likely to be Hollow Road, yes which explains why the driver may have seen the teenagers at 420 on his return (although why is he returning to the area post-collection)?

 

[MidsummersDay]

But why? We are pretty damned certain Corrie was not with his phone.

How are we certain? They both haven't been found yet. At this point some people may start to berate this post. I think it's VERY important to interrogate that question (as we have been doing) further. Keep going Melmoth, thought provoking is the way ahead in my opinion!

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Biffa do not always tip at Biffa sites, they sell on recyclables/pay for disposal at regional locations belonging to private companies.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Biffa typically tip recyclables at Newmarket (AJ Thompson) or Bolton Bros in Great Blakenham.

As as per my previous post, on dry recyclables there is rarely a collection charge due to the resale value, therefore weighing is not always needed as weight is used to determine unit of charge (following the rise of compacted waste).

Can that be substantiated Pilgrims? We need to tie this one down, too many variables.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It's not really about where the phone is now, it's about how it ended up there.

If it was IN the bin I would say there was foul play - Corrie didn't have it in his hand when he rounded that corner so it's unlikely it was thrown away by him by accident. Had he left it in the doorway, or had he been mugged? A random, innocent person wouldn't just throw a random phone in a bin. I don't know where the mugging rumours came from, but it might make perfect sense that someone grabbed it from him while he was in the doorway (maybe at 3:08 when he had it in his hand) and, realising it wasn't of much value, they threw it in the nearest bin as they ran off. To me though, Corrie didn't look in fight or fright mode on the 2nd CCTV, he had his hands in is pockets which doesn't suggest someone who was expecting trouble, I think if you'd just been mugged you'd be looking less casual about it. I think he was just desperate for a wee.

If it was ON the bin there's a chance he put it down and forgot about it.

If it was found by the binman (or anyone else) and taken then tossed away, they needs to own up.

The reason for it being in that bin lorry is pertinent to what might have happened to Corrie, regardless of where they both are now. But then it might not have ever been anywhere near the bin lorry, the binman or anything to do with the bins at all. It might just be coincidence that it followed roughly the same route as the bin lorry and at roughly the same time. It might have been left in the doorway and someone heading home to BMills picked it up and later chucked it. It apparently didn't move from 4:30ish and lost power at 8.

Anyway, that's this mornings thoughts and ramblings by me. I still think he'll be found somewhere near that roundabout.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Biffa do not always tip at Biffa sites, they sell on recyclables/pay for disposal at regional locations belonging to private companies.

I proposed that in an earlier post. Telford, Norwich, Great Blakenham, Ipswich to name but a few. Then they're onward to pulping areas within the factory for paper products like magazines etc.

 

[MidsummersDay]

The route for dry recyclables would encompass Bury, Mildenhall and Newmarket, depot likely to be Hollow Road, yes which explains why the driver may have seen the teenagers at 420 on his return (although why is he returning to the area post-collection)?

I did read somewhere that it was an off duty policeman (don't quote me on that). Can you suggest a decent comprehensive route he may have taken?