UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

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  • #941
I think it's important that we all revisit the Suffolk Police webpage and take another look at their dated bulletins. If nothing else it would give us a quick summary of were we've come from and arrived at. It may help us to solidify and even modify our thoughts so far. I encourage you all to do so before we go any further, and then take a look at my previous post so we all can offer up some positive and constructive offerings to add to it.
 
  • #942
I don't think "Corrie vanished" as that is impossible.

I do believe that Corrie's "means by which he exited the area" was missed.

And this is probably because the police "mis-classified" the enquiry early on in their investigation.
They were "looking for Corrie" on the CCTV, not "means in which he could have departed the area".

Partly to blame is, I do not think Suffolk Police fully understand the CCTV that the Local Authority have deployed.
I also do not think they have modelled the camera "situations" for the time Corrie was in the area, so that they may appreciate the "weaknesses" in the system.

The biggest opportunity for finding this guy, may already have been lost.
 
  • #943
@MidsummersDay

I read the first bulletin from the 27th September and then the latest one and it seems to me the Police themselves haven't moved past him going to the bins. Whether via a vehicle or on foot they can't find anything else within the hundreds of hours of CCTV they have checked that has moved his movements forward. I appreciate that if there is nothing for them to go on then there isn't anything much they can do. The frustrating thing for us, and I'm sure heartbreaking for Corrie's family is that if this is the case why just keep totally silent?

Is it just that they can never admit they are baffled and don't know what to do?
 
  • #944
It isn't that baffling when you think about it.
There are only two viable options.

Either from a radius of 120 feet from Camera 09, with Camera 36 not observing Brentgrovel Street, Corrie got into a Silver car, which is as yet unidentified and the driver has not responded to appeals.

Or in a time-frame where Camera 09 was not observing Short Brackland, did a car depart form the loading area.

Those are the only two viable situations.
 
  • #945
I don't think "Corrie vanished" as that is impossible.

I do believe that Corrie's "means by which he exited the area" was missed.

And this is probably because the police "mis-classified" the enquiry early on in their investigation.
They were "looking for Corrie" on the CCTV, not "means in which he could have departed the area".

Partly to blame is, I do not think Suffolk Police fully understand the CCTV that the Local Authority have deployed.
I also do not think they have modelled the camera "situations" for the time Corrie was in the area, so that they may appreciate the "weaknesses" in the system.

The biggest opportunity for finding this guy, may already have been lost.

Agreed


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  • #946
And the police haven't considered the option of "an attack" happening at 4.20am in the Barton Mills area.

It depends largely on "was Corrie waiting or not" ? And "did he go for a pee or not" ?

He could have easily gone for a pee AND returned to the Silver car, well within the time constrains of any CCTV in that immediate area. Don't forget, the police were looking for Corrie and not how he may have left.
 
  • #947
It does offer answers to a few questions in my mind; ie, driving his own car into BSE, drinking fast to play catch up, being boisterous because of the drink, being loud and getting 'ejected' from the nightclub, walking with purpose (still in a grump?) with his kebab, (potentially causing a fracas and ending off worse). Yep, all knits together nicely for me.
Im starting to form a very solid opinion now based on what we've learnt so far.

You could go a step further and say Corrie could have "lost" the lift back to base during any conflict in the club hence the walking home comment.
 
  • #948
In case anyone wasn't aware, Nicola did an interview on local radio this evening. No new information of note (that I picked up on anyway), although she did clear up one thing that's been mentioned on here: the food! The food we see him carrying on the CCTV is indeed two burgers, a kebab and a bag of chips. I know there was speculation as to whether he'd had all that in one go, or whether some of it had been bought/eaten earlier in the evening.

Not the most crucial of facts to clear up, but every little helps!
 
  • #949
Forget the error in his speech. The local CCTV was not sought. They never actively "knocked on doors and found out who had it" and that is really bad.


The police said that it was a misunderstanding over the CCTV. They were restricting themselves to only collecting Hi res versions of CCTV where more than one view of the same area was available, so I figured where it was said CCTV wasn't collected that they already knew they had that view covered?

I think the police have done a LOT more than most people think they've done from only listening to the family's updates. If you go through the updates on the constabulary webpage for Corrie you can see lots of things going on, plus I read there was a mobile incident room out and that was showing stills from CCTV, and the police were out the week after the disappearance at the same time Corrie disappeared and they were talking to people who were out on the same night at the same time.

I feel like we're not usually privy to even this much detail of an active investigation, and maybe the public is a bit spoiled by TV cases that are solved within the hour, following clue to clue, but in this case they haven't found the clues to follow them, and it's confusing to the public to 'see' this going on for so long when they have in mind other cases that were solved faster. But we've got to be realistic, there are cases of serial killers that weren't solved for years and after multiple victims, and there are people who've been missing for more than ten years with no one knowing what happened to them. Ben Needham and Madeleine McCann are two well-known examples of missing for years, and they were little children who naturally garner wide media attention.

As far as public searches go, it seems to be a case-by-case thing... I do often see that public are involved in searches for missing children in the first few days, but in other cases the police specifically state 'no public searches wanted' and I honestly don't know what makes that difference? I know in a murder inquiry that it's important to not have the public messing up a crime scene, and then add in like difficulties with private property and in the BSE area there's a lot MOD land that the public shouldn't go onto.

The apparent lack of door-to-door inquiries surprises me.

Then there were people complaining that there were police taking away cars in Newmarket one day. It was the day before the Queen visited and they have to do things like that in case one of those cars has a bomb in the boot or someone puts a bomb under one of those cars. But a herd mentality ensues on social media and people will get cues from the family's frustration and confusion but also they will get cues from each other, and right now everything is aimed at the police, and I do think most of that is OTT and based on not understanding just how much the police have been doing and the amount of inter-agency cooperation there has already been.
 
  • #950
You could go a step further and say Corrie could have "lost" the lift back to base during any conflict in the club hence the walking home comment.

You could argue, he'd tell his mates that if he had other plans....and had left the club to early to be still in Bury.

Infact, you have made an outstanding comment.
On getting booted out (or "asked to leave" ! Same thing where I came from) you would say "oh I'll walk it" if you were asked by your muckers "How are you going to get home".

It's a "throw away line". He had no intention of leaving Bury.
 
  • #951
And the police haven't considered the option of "an attack" happening at 4.20am in the Barton Mills area.

It depends largely on "was Corrie waiting or not" ? And "did he go for a pee or not" ?

He could have easily gone for a pee AND returned to the Silver car, well within the time constrains of any CCTV in that immediate area. Don't forget, the police were looking for Corrie and not how he may have left.

When you say Silver car are you talking about the one in the first CCTV parked next to the Hughes doorway where Corrie slept?
 
  • #952
The cops should hardly pat themselves on the back for the CCTV film they deigned to collect.

They had administrative staff viewing it, who had no training or expertise. Whoever's running the show over there is in CYA mode.

Really sad and pathetic.
 
  • #953
You could argue, he'd tell his mates that if he had other plans....and had left the club to early to be still in Bury.

Infact, you have made an outstanding comment.
On getting booted out (or "asked to leave" ! Same thing where I came from) you would say "oh I'll walk it" if you were asked by your muckers "How are you going to get home".

It's a "throw away line". He had no intention of leaving Bury.

It was apparently a homeless guy he made that comment to about walking home. And if you think about PurpleWitch's comment about saying Shanks's pony in a joking way, it could have been a throwaway comment where you just don't want to go into it with a person so you just say something kidding, "I've lost my lift home so it's boot leather time" but in reality you're actually contemplating three other things -- taxi, thumb lift, sleep in the car until morning, knock on a friend's door and ask to kip on their sofa....
 
  • #954
My "gut feeling" is, he was waiting. And he waited in that doorway.
The motivation for doing that...I haven't a clue.

Did he go for a pee in Short Brackland or was he meeting some there.... I don't have a clue.
But I reckon he could walk back from having a pee "unseen", because of the angle the camera is set at.

So, any car leaving Short Brackland (and there is a couple of CCTV opportunities available)
Or the silver car as it left at 3.30 + (and there is a few of CCTV opportunities available there)

Did the phone go in the bin ? Depends on where he left town from.
But find out who he was meeting...and I bet you're half way to finding the killer OR kidnapper.
 
  • #955
I don't think "Corrie vanished" as that is impossible.

I do believe that Corrie's "means by which he exited the area" was missed.

And this is probably because the police "mis-classified" the enquiry early on in their investigation.
They were "looking for Corrie" on the CCTV, not "means in which he could have departed the area".

Partly to blame is, I do not think Suffolk Police fully understand the CCTV that the Local Authority have deployed.
I also do not think they have modelled the camera "situations" for the time Corrie was in the area, so that they may appreciate the "weaknesses" in the system.

The biggest opportunity for finding this guy, may already have been lost.

This is an excellent point.
 
  • #956
My "gut feeling" is, he was waiting. And he waited in that doorway.
The motivation for doing that...I haven't a clue.

Did he go for a pee in Short Brackland or was he meeting some there.... I don't have a clue.
But I reckon he could walk back from having a pee "unseen", because of the angle the camera is set at.

So, any car leaving Short Brackland (and there is a couple of CCTV opportunities available)
Or the silver car as it left at 3.30 + (and there is a few of CCTV opportunities available there)

Did the phone go in the bin ? Depends on where he left town from.
But find out who he was meeting...and I bet you're half way to finding the killer OR kidnapper.

I still maintain he was waiting I am also not convinced he went for a pee, he went past doorways and walks into an open area.Yes he could have gone behind or in between the bins. I would like to see what the place looks like at that time on a night.
 
  • #957
I have always thought he was waiting for something, initially possibly a woman. However the take away feast - which is a ridiculous amount for one person, unless it's a really bad takeaway, makes me think perhaps he got a takeaway for his mates and was waiting for them to follow. The last family comment I read suggested he left Flex completely of his own accord after bouncers inside gestured he should leave. Was he expecting his mates to follow and got them food as well?
 
  • #958
Just remembered something from Nicola's radio interview tonight ... she was talking about Corrie being seen on CCTV going into the bin area but not back out again. She said she had her own theory about that - based on CCTV and on visiting the area - and her theory is that he left in a vehicle. She said that the police are looking into it to be able to 'clarify that', but they need to make sure they're really certain before they make a statement about it ... and that they're getting close (i.e. that the police are close to being certain).

So it sounds like the police aren't *quite* in full agreement with the 'must have left in a vehicle' theory at the moment.
 
  • #959
So is the MoD involved yet I hope? Uncle Tony had said "other agencies" were now being brought in after the meeting they had with Suffolk police (following the public outcry after his criticisms).

If this were in the U.S., the FBI would have been involved very quickly because of the other base attacks nearby. And the FBI would have announced they were involved.
 
  • #960
Just remembered something from Nicola's radio interview tonight ... she was talking about Corrie being seen on CCTV going into the bin area but not back out again. She said she had her own theory about that - based on CCTV and on visiting the area - and her theory is that he left in a vehicle. She said that the police are looking into it to be able to 'clarify that', but they need to make sure they're really certain before they make a statement about it ... and that they're getting close (i.e. that the police are close to being certain).

So it sounds like the police aren't *quite* in full agreement with the 'must have left in a vehicle' theory at the moment.

It worries me that. I'd have thought "that" would be obvious by now.
The frustration for the family must be unbearable.
 
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