UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #3

[TheTruthWillOut]

Having just rewatched footage 1 cctv - making links now, where links possibly don't exist - but three people (possibly teenagers) were being sought- just noticed the three people blurred out in cctv- the three walk away, but just before it cuts- they start walking towards him again. I know it was said the three teenagers were seen later, but nobody has said they weren't seen before either.

I thought the blurred out people in the first CCTV were door staff from the Grapes pub? The three teenagers were rumoured to be seen by the bin lorry driver on Short Brackland at around 04:20
and they have been traced and spoken to. Of course that doesn't rule them out of anything but I'd be very surprised if they are directly involved right now.

 

[c4nd1_83]

Just tried to copy a reply from Nicola, but post was then rapidly deleted. She referred to yesterday being a particularly bad day, before apologising to someone for not approvingly their post. I think the thorough update today and resurgence of media all of a sudden (even though much is a token mention) in the last 24 hours, I think they know what has happened, or have a very strong idea and are just looking for that final piece.

This was Nicolas reply your talking about;

My apologies sharon. It may now have been deleted. Yesterday was hard for me and I simply never had the focus to approve posts. I tried last night. But there are hundreds and quite a few repeat themselves. I do apologise if yours was one x thank you for your support xx


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[Looloo77]

Yes this is what I said in an earlier post on thread 1 but others suggested the people are pub bouncers. I wonder if three bouncers is quite a lot for what looks like a small pub....

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Yes this is what I said in an earlier post on thread 1 but others suggested the people are pub bouncers. I wonder if three bouncers is quite a lot for what looks like a small pub....

I just looked at the first CCTV again very carefully and I now see/think there is one person talking to one women and a third person either crouching/sitting down next to the Grapes doorway.

Could be any combination of members of the public and/or door staff.

 

[Ashbeck]

They aren't bouncers/doormen in cctv 1. A lady who was in the cctv posted on the group a while ago to say it was her and her friends and they had spoken to police. If you watch it closely as they leave the shot she's no longer blurred and you can make out that it's a woman.

Her bike is against a lamp post in cctv and as her and Corrie crossed paths that night I assume that's where the bike came from on the missing poster.

I obviously cant quote it anymore as it's buried deep in the FB group or even deleted I guess but I do have a screen shot saved of part of the conversation where she confirms the info re the bike came from her as it's her in the cctv.

 

[eneri12]

A few things stand out for me from uncle Tony's update. Firstly, he has cleared up my earlier question about whether the properties above the bin area had been looked at forensically although interesting he's saying one of the options is Corrie is still in that area. Secondly, that the bin lorry IS still an avenue they are looking at. Third, no mention of the silver car or car that went the wrong way down the one way street. Lastly, there are things they can't mention; this for me speaks volumes. I think they have very strong suspicions about what has happened and there is far more information than what we are party to.

I also agree with the earlier post that Corrie may have been crying and therefore that was why people were asking if he was OK and why the family haven't released it.

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[Looloo77]

RSBM. Thanks for this. I thought it was an odd thing to say and find it rather confusing. You're right, if a vehicle can be unseen, surely a person could too. Unless someone has a theory on this?

edited - oops my first ever broken quote. will report my post - sorry admins !

Does this mean that the family think Corrie never left the bin area?

 

[DanceCard]

Does this mean that the family think Corrie never left the bin area?

That's what I was wondering too.

But then in the BBC news update today, Nicola said she thinks Corrie left in a car.
So I don't really know what to make of it. :thinking:

Nicola's quote - "His mother, Nicola Urquhart, said: "What's happened to Corrie doesn't make sense as people can't just disappear. Somebody must know something."

She said: "It is my opinion that he must have left the area in a vehicle but police have not been able, so far, to find that vehicle.

"Somebody has given Corrie a lift somewhere, either willingly or unwillingly, and managed to get him out of Bury." "

Here's the link :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-37961437

 

[eneri12]

Also from Tony's update, the request for info from people in cars around the Barton Mills and Tesco roundabout. Are they drip feeding us information here? Do they suspect a certain car that was seen in the town centre then again at the roundabout within the time frame of the phone pings, one that they haven't been able to trace?

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[Looloo77]

Wonder if the road closure today was due to an accident there or a search...

 

[c4nd1_83]

I must say the family do know how to keep the public engaged by drip feeding information. But I cant help but wonder if this has hindered the investigation in a way. I dont know.

I think the focus has been in the wrong places from the start. It felt rushed and panicked by all involved. Which is understandable if your absolutely desperate to find your loved one.

But I think this maybe hindered the police investigation and they couldn't cope with the influx of info from the public and speculation on social media etc.

Like I say, I am not sure if it was right to go this public to start. Maybe a few days should have been put aside to gather correct facts first then go public with correct none contradictory statements.

Its all to confusing tbh.

I haven't got a clue anymore.


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[TheTruthWillOut]

I decided to do a map to show where Corrie went last and where all the CCTV is in the immediate area to see if it sheds any light.

Black Diamond= 1st CCTV of Corrie
Blue Diamond= 2nd CCTV of Corrie
Red Diamond= Private CCTV (exact position unknown)
Green Diamond= CCTV of car park/loading bay Cornhill shopping centre
Purple Diamond= Cornhill CCTV
Star= Corrie's last seen position

1, We have been told the bin lorry is seen coming and going and that Corrie wasn't in/on/under it. This shows a vehicle can/would be seen by CCTV on Short Brackland.

2, Were the teenagers seen on any CCTV do we know? I know it is said that they were spotted by the bin lorry driver but it would really help if we knew their route and if any CCTV picked them up or missed them.

3, If number 2 above is yes, then for me it leaves 3 possibles: Corrie is still within the 'horseshoe' (ruled out by Tony), He left via * bin lorry, either the one known about or another later, a car/other vehicle that *was seen* but we (maybe even the family) haven't been told about.

If anyone wants to add something or interpret the above differently please do.

 

[sleepyhead25]

Does any one else get a strange vibe from the videos of Corrie from youtube? His own personal videos. Some of his behaviour strikes me as unusual,child like, manic - eg being topless in what looks like an empty bath singing along to pop songs - the fact hes wanting to video himself and show himself to the world in this way. I wonder if there are any underlying mental health issues or behavioural problems that may not have affected him had he been working in a normal job, however maybe the stress of being in the RAF placed so much pressure it made the condition/s worse? I wonder if he was able to hide them to a certain extent to get through medicals but it was all getting too much and his colleagues were beginning to notice something a 'bit different' about him and they had raised concerns about his behaviour?

Also if this was the case and he was suffering from an undiagnosed mental health problem/s it would explain why he could of left his beloved puppy. It doesn't mean by any means that he didn't love his puppy as the family seems to put massive emphasis on the fact that *point blank corrie wouldn't have left him* - however we don't know how stuff had played out that night and you have to put yourself into the mind of someone feeling quite desperate, had been potentially hiding it, and ask if corrie was in that place - why he was having so much contact with his family, especially his brother. Was he feeling vulnerable? Why did he drive into BSE himself when all his mates had driven in together? Had he become an outcast in the RAF or within his group of friends in the RAF? Maybe he was just paranoid this was the case. He could have been really struggling to fit into a macho environment where feeling homesick was frowned upon. Had he been unable to get help from a medic for the way he was feeling? Was he worried that this may been he would be dismissed/discharged? Was he worried he would let his family down if he was suffering from MH problems, even stress?

He may not have been thinking straight that night/or nights out leading up to "that night" and have been taking massive risks putting himself in danger, knowing it could result in something bad happening to him - or he could have chosen to go missing and escape from his situation - either by going AWOL or by suicide. Him planning to see his family and booking a plane ticket for a short time after his disappearance could of been used to try and throw every one 'off' the scent. Making everyone think he had no intentions to kill himself/go AWOL - as he has a return ticket - plus a puppy the family claim he would never willingly leave. People think these things through. Especially if they don't want to be found and don't want to hurt the family (clearly the family are already hurting but if they think they could have helped Corrie in anyway I think its that bit more painful). I know people will argue if he was feeling that low to go missing or commit suicide he wouldn't have bothered making plans with his brother/booking a plane ticket - maybe he was still unsure what he was going to do - whether or when he was going to 'go through with it' and it wasn't until he had got out that eve in BSE, faced more 'rejection' (in corries eyes) from his RAF 'mates' having left without him at the base, been 'ejected' from the club etc that he decided to make his final decision to go missing/end it all.

Hope this isn't too bleak -just a one explanation of what could have happened that night, why he got ejected from the club (was he feeling low and in the wrong mood to be there?), was he upset sat in the door way? was he trying to make a life changing decision and thats why the footage of him in the door way was described as distressing? did he suddenly feel like he had nothing and no one and that everyone and everything was against him? I wonder how much help you can get for MH problems within the RAF? Could he be worried that if he was to try and access this type of help he would be dismissed and again feel like he would let his family down?

Also want to add that plenty of women abandon their children every year and go missing/commit suicide - its usually the case that they feel they have no other option - and often the maternal bond is considered to be strongest of all. I think we need to place less emphasis on the fact that we think Corrie wouldn't have left his beloved dog. As sad as it is - he may have felt so desperate he had no other choice.

 

[PurpleWitch]

Here's a bit of information about Polsa who are now involved in the search according to Tony's post. http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Specialist-Search-Teams/1400008955514/1400008955514

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

@Sleepyhead

Whilst I understand what you're saying I feel it is running before you can walk. Only when we have an idea under what circumstances he went missing can this be considered, IMO.

It really is frustrating waiting for more/any detail from Police but until they do all we can do is go through the permutations of information the family have told us.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Here's a bit of information about Polsa who are now involved in the search according to Tony's post. http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Specialist-Search-Teams/1400008955514/1400008955514

Nicola also mentioned PolSA in her radio interview last week:

"HOST: SULSAR are Suffolk Land Search & Rescue.

NU: Yep. It's them that have been doing most of the searching with the PolSA search teams assisting them. And they're still out - they're out again on Thursday with a boat. They've just not stopped. They're coming up with their own suggestions of places to go as well."

 

[sleepyhead25]

@Sleepyhead

Whilst I understand what you're saying I feel it is running before you can walk. Only when we have an idea under what circumstances he went missing can this be considered, IMO.

It really is frustrating waiting for more/any detail from Police but until they do all we can do is go through the permutations of information the family have told us.

Sorry - what I was writing was mainly to try to put to bed the whole theory that Corrie wouldn't have left on his own accord without leaving his beloved dog. I think as sad as it is, if he was trying to go missing/ end his life - he would have no need to take his dog, or may not have been able to return to base to be able to collect his dog and then go off again without causing alarm bells to ring about what exactly he was planning.

For no minute I am saying that this what has happened. Its just one theory based on the fact there is no body, no one has come forward claiming to have taken Corrie etc. However course plenty could be going on behind the scenes- hopefully there is and the police are making good progress with the investigation.

At the beginning of the investigation I was adamant that Corrie had either been kidnapped/killed or that he had simply got lost during his way back to base and fallen into water/succumbed to the elements. I then began to think it could be terrorism because of the D-Notices although as far as the public are aware, there is not much evidence to prove/disprove this other than the nearby attempted abductions of UK service men.

I think its only sensible to look at all the options and possibilities - especially as both the police and family won't be able to disclose full information to the public.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

The family have added a Frequently Asked Questions section to their website.

Edit: Note that each question is a 'post', so you have to go through multiple pages of question posts using the 'Older posts' link at the bottom of each page.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

The family have added a Frequently Asked Questions section to their website.

Edit: Note that each question is a 'post', so you have to go through multiple pages of question posts using the 'Older posts' link at the bottom of each page.

The standout thing here is another time given for the phone going dead/last ping:

It last pinged the mast about 5am when it was either turned off/ran out of battery/damaged.

It was 08:00 up to now wasn't it? I'll put this down as an error for now given the mass of info and stress the family have at the minute.

 

[Tricksy]

I'm glad someone else has mentioned the possibility that Corrie was crying. This popped into my head last night after following everything that has been posted so far. I'm also sure that a family member described the footage as 'distressing' and a crying Corrie fits that really well. It would also explain why several people approached him while he was in the doorway. Would many people on a night out approach, or even notice, a man asleep in a doorway? I'm really not sure they would. But if he was crying, it makes total sense that people would approach to check he was ok. It also fits very well with what we know of the rest of the evening, such as the missed lift and long phone call to his brother.

Yes they would. It's a small town and people sleeping in door ways is not that common. There are a couple of homeless fellas who sleep and pan handle, but I think they tend to move after the clubs chuck out.
Personally myself and friends have helped drunks. If I'd have walked past that night I'd have checked if he were OK.