UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #3

[suzyjackson]

The family have added a Frequently Asked Questions section to their website.

Edit: Note that each question is a 'post', so you have to go through multiple pages of question posts using the 'Older posts' link at the bottom of each page.

Thanks for that. The things that I notice are:-

The names of the pubs he went before Flex - probably no help but at least we know

The blurred out "bouncers" have now been correctly identifed as not the bouncers - how/why did this misinformation get out in the first place?

Checks on Corrie while he was sleeping have now become one member of the public checking

The last ping time mentioned above - why do the police keep referred to 8am as the later boundary of their time of interest and why has it taken so long to correct this (unless the 5am is a typo in the FAQ)

Otherwise a very useful summary, especially for all the facebook posters still asking if the phone records have been checked etc. Maybe this will weed out all the needless posts that make the family updates difficult to find easily

Two omissions that stand out to me are any mention of the US base or explanation of how they have come to the conclusion that a person could evade the CCTV but not a vehicle

 

[PurpleWitch]

From Tony's post. Analysis into option 3 continues. This includes further, technical analysis of the bin lorry's movements using experts from SCIT analysing Tachograph data for example, and technical analysis of the possibility of a phone moving with it.

What do you think they are trying to work out here? was the phone in the bin? was Corrie with his phone in the front of the lorry? Did the lorry go anywhere it shouldn't have? SCIT? just Googled...Serious Collision Investigation Team.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

From Tony's post. Analysis into option 3 continues. This includes further, technical analysis of the bin lorry's movements using experts from SCIT analysing Tachograph data for example, and technical analysis of the possibility of a phone moving with it.

What do you think they are trying to work out here? was the phone in the bin? was Corrie with his phone in the front of the lorry? Did the lorry go anywhere it shouldn't have? SCIT? just Googled...Serious Collision Investigation Team.

I think the use of SCIT is just for their expertise with the digital tachograph data. I do think the Police are looking at all three of your scenarios and it suggests to me that they really don't have anything
concrete that points anywhere else.

Right now I'm thinking accident of some kind due to a series of unfortunate events involving a bin lorry..... If a third party is involved with a vehicle then they have defied such huge odds to evade any clear detection whatsoever. This does assume nothing of substance has been held back by Police to which I really think there hasn't been.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

This does assume nothing of substance has been held back by Police to which I really think there hasn't been.

But there is definitely SOMETHING being held back, hence "a number of things we can only reference, other things that we can't talk about" from the update.

 

[c4nd1_83]

He was either in, on, under, inside that dam bin lorry!

Nothing else makes sense.

Forget the 11kg of waste. He has got to have been sleeping in the wheelie bin I think and it all went horribly wrong.

And if he wasnt in that one, he could have been in the others next to it that get collected another time.

Have these been checked.

His phone may have been in the cardboard bin for some reason, hence the phone traveled.

I think its mad landfill has not been checked!


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[TheTruthWillOut]

But there is definitely SOMETHING being held back, hence "a number of things we can only reference, other things that we can't talk about" from the update.

Sure, but I think along the lines related to a bin lorry rather than other third party car or persons.

It is the simplest explanation with the facts that have been shared publicly and unless/until something else is shared it is the only theory for me that can currently work.

 

[c4nd1_83]

Sure, but I think along the lines related to a bin lorry rather than other third party car or persons.

It is the simplest explanation with the facts that have been shared publicly and unless/until something else is shared it is the only theory for me that can currently work.

I will 2nd that... Only thing that makes sense to me is the bin lorry. Despite this weight being 11kg. This is why they are checking tacho now to see if it diverted off usual course.


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[suzyjackson]

He was either in, on, under, inside that dam bin lorry!

Nothing else makes sense.

Forget the 11kg of waste. He has got to have been sleeping in the wheelie bin I think and it all went horribly wrong.

And if he wasnt in that one, he could have been in the others next to it that get collected another time.

Have these been checked.

His phone may have been in the cardboard bin for some reason, hence the phone traveled.

I think its mad landfill has not been checked!


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Tne FAQs "No, Corrie was not on or under the bin lorry."

So if we assume that the family are telling the truth that leaves inside, and I take it you mean inside the lorry rather than the cab.

I can see no reason for the waste collection company to lie about the weight of the recycling bin contents and to be able to carry on that lie for so long with noone going public with it so we move to the possibility of being in a 2nd bin. Do we know when the next collection of those bins was? If it was any time later then Saturday morning Corrie would have woken up and been able to make his presence known. Is it your theory that he somehow fatally injured himself climbing into the bin and his body is now buried in the landfill somewhere?

 

[suzyjackson]

I will 2nd that... Only thing that makes sense to me is the bin lorry. Despite this weight being 11kg. This is why they are checking tacho now to see if it diverted off usual course.


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Wouldn't they already know that from the phone pings? A diversion to a secluded spot would I guess be far enough away from the road to register a deviation in the pings even with the limitations of accuracy of movement of the phone IMO

 

[Amonet]

We've been open to all angles on these threads about Corrie. We have to be, because there's nothing to definitively pull us in one direction or another. So I think your thoughts were completely fair and relevant.

But just to say that the dog thing and suicide...it might not be that someone would go back for their puppy, but often someone who has prior thoughts of suicide will do things like ask a friend if they'd be open to adopting another animal, or they'd try to give the pet away to someone they know would love it as they do, because they are loving the pet as a dependent who needs someone to care for it, and in that state of mind that you can't face the future, the sense of who's going to look after your pet or your child is actually amplified. So a mother might take her kids to the grandparents or aunt's for the afternoon, not saying they're never coming back, but just so they know the children are in a safe place and making a leap of faith that this is a safe place with people who will care for them when the mum is gone....kind of an internal jump that the children have been handed over to their future carers. That type of thing is part of the wrapping up of details for someone who's been thinking about this for a short or long while. I don't know for certain whether that would happen in the head of a 23-year old man with a puppy, but that's the sort of sign that the behavioural specialists will be looking out for.

As for the mental health side of it...what I am about to say is probably completely off in Corrie's case, but there is a series I have been watching that keeps reiterating that the early to mid-twenties are a key time for onset of schizophrenia or a psychotic condition that's never shown before.

Confidence and outgoing-ness can be used by some people to cover up internal pain and uncertainty and even to keep mental health problems hidden from other people, it can be used as a kind of 'make-up' or camouflage. I am not theorising whether or not that is relevant to Corrie, I am just saying it's something to bear in mind with human nature.

Sorry - what I was writing was mainly to try to put to bed the whole theory that Corrie wouldn't have left on his own accord without leaving his beloved dog. I think as sad as it is, if he was trying to go missing/ end his life - he would have no need to take his dog, or may not have been able to return to base to be able to collect his dog and then go off again without causing alarm bells to ring about what exactly he was planning.

For no minute I am saying that this what has happened. Its just one theory based on the fact there is no body, no one has come forward claiming to have taken Corrie etc. However course plenty could be going on behind the scenes- hopefully there is and the police are making good progress with the investigation.

At the beginning of the investigation I was adamant that Corrie had either been kidnapped/killed or that he had simply got lost during his way back to base and fallen into water/succumbed to the elements. I then began to think it could be terrorism because of the D-Notices although as far as the public are aware, there is not much evidence to prove/disprove this other than the nearby attempted abductions of UK service men.

I think its only sensible to look at all the options and possibilities - especially as both the police and family won't be able to disclose full information to the public.

 

[Amonet]

I don't believe the collection company could lie about the weight of the bin, not if the info comes from a chip and onboard chip reader. I don't believe the driver can change this as it would be direct from chip to chip reader, and then it would go straight from the chip reader to the company's computers for logging and analysis, and no one, bin lorry driver or the people running the analysis programs would have any ability (or probably expertise) to manipulate data, because data editing/manipulation isn't the point of collecting data, it's purely for going through analysis programs, and as such it needs to be pure and uncontaminated data, so you probably wouldn't even have any potentiality for end-user manipulation of data.

What's been put forward before was that the company might have reasons to alter the data, but that would have to be done at the headquarters on either an 'all bin' or 'all of a particular type of bin' basis, such as "underreport all blue bins by 10%", and Corrie's weight isn't going to get by something like that, *if* it existed, and it probably doesn't.

As a corollary, I don't have expertise with this exact software or programming, I just have an instinct for this type of thing that comes from working back-ends of websites and learning from a programmer, but I don't have qualifications.

As an example that I think might help non-computer people understand what I believe happens...think of your digital camera. You take a picture, and you upload the picture to your computer for either viewing, or for more advanced users for photo-editing. You can't change the picture that's in the camera...that is fixed the moment you take the picture. When you put the picture through a photo viewer on your computer you're not changing anything about the picture that was stored on the sim card in the camera, all you're doing is reading the info that's been copied from the camera to your hard drive. And this type of data collection and analysis won't have the equivalent of photoshop to run it through to edit it, it's the analysis of raw data that matters to them, and not to edit it in any way, so there shouldn't be any editing software for the analysis team at the headquarters to even apply if they wished to, and the lorry driver would be well separated from that analysis side of it, so he wouldn't have the ability to do this from the cab or when he goes back to park his lorry.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I'm so frustrated reading some of the latest comments on the find Corrie Facebook page.

Reading between the lines it seems Tony/family are desperate to release info on vehicle(s) but are being stopped. I just can't think of a good reason why this would be and why after weeks the bin lorry
tachograph is now being looked. It doesn't add up.

It isn't as if Tony and Nicola don't understand how Police investigations work so why is there a strong sense from them that right thing(s) aren't being done?

 

[hazel324]

I have never discounted the bin lorry and one thought was that Corrie was knocked unconscious, hidden in the cab and disposed of later.

Please can a sleuther just confirm a couple of things that you may have to hand...

the timeline recorded of lorry entry to/exit from bin area

how is the lorry weighing done exactly

tia

 

[Deleted member 178385]

I have never discounted the bin lorry and one thought was that Corrie was knocked unconscious, hidden in the cab and disposed of later.

Please can a sleuther just confirm a couple of things that you may have to hand...

the timeline recorded of lorry entry to/exit from bin area

how is the lorry weighing done exactly

tia

As far as I know, we don't have official timings for the bin lorry or official information on how the weighing works for that particular bin lorry.

There was a lot of bin lorry discussion in thread #2, including details of weighing systems, so you might want to have another look at that.

The family have said that the bin lorry was forensically checked though, with no trace of Corrie.

 

[Scottishem1]

I was doing my daily update on the Find Corrie page and have noticed a few people mentioning a further 2 people missing in and around Ipswich/surrounding areas .

1 young lad around 16 and a young girl, links below .

I don't intend to muddy the waters further but it is strange.

http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/j...h_for_ipswich_26_year_old_continues_1_4774061

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/appeal_a...g_from_rougham_near_bury_st_edmunds_1_4763991

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[hazel324]

As far as I know, we don't have official timings for the bin lorry or official information on how the weighing works for that particular bin lorry.

There was a lot of bin lorry discussion in thread #2, including details of weighing systems, so you might want to have another look at that.

The family have said that the bin lorry was forensically checked though, with no trace of Corrie.

ok thanks for reply anyway...i just couldn't find exact info when i searched and thought someone may have a complete spreadsheet of all known data

I get the feeling family believe phone went to landfill and they were very frustrated it wasn't searched

 

[hazel324]

I was doing my daily update on the Find Corrie page and have noticed a few people mentioning a further 2 people missing in and around Ipswich/surrounding areas .

1 young lad around 16 and a young girl, links below .

I don't intend to muddy the waters further but it is strange.

http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/j...h_for_ipswich_26_year_old_continues_1_4774061

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/appeal_a...g_from_rougham_near_bury_st_edmunds_1_4763991

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I read this before too but I guess the word 'coincidence' was invented for a reason

The search for Jordan Thompson will enter its fourth day tomorrow, with social media users posting and re-posting an online plea to help find the 26-year-old, who disappeared from home at 6.30am on November 11.
Miss Thompson’s car, a white Seat registered in 2013, was last traced on the A14 near the Suffolk-Cambridgeshire border – almost 40 miles away – at about 9am on Friday. However, there has been no sighting of Miss Thompson, or her car, since Friday morning.

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[MidsummersDay]

As far as I know, we don't have official timings for the bin lorry or official information on how the weighing works for that particular bin lorry.

There was a lot of bin lorry discussion in thread #2, including details of weighing systems, so you might want to have another look at that.

The family have said that the bin lorry was forensically checked though, with no trace of Corrie.

The bin lorry's shift start time has been suggested by an insider as 0300-0330.
The bin Larry driver reported seeing three teenagers in Shortbrackland around 0420 (allegedly).
The vehicle reverses up to the bin, the driver then manually pushes the bin onto the rear of the vehicle, presses a button and the bin is lifted upwards. At the same time, the bin is weighed and then emptied. The system lowers the bin back down weighing the bin again. It takes one reading from another and the net weight is recorded. The driver removes the bin from the rear of the vehicle and places it back into it's original position.

 

[MidsummersDay]

ok thanks for reply anyway...i just couldn't find exact info when i searched and thought someone may have a complete spreadsheet of all known data

I get the feeling family believe phone went to landfill and they were very frustrated it wasn't searched

Hazel,
try to find my previous posts. There's masses of visuals, images and Speculative Accounts of the evening...(end of thread 2, beginning of thread 3?).

 

[hazel324]

Hazel,
try to find my previous posts. There's masses of visuals, images and Speculative Accounts of the evening...(end of thread 2, beginning of thread 3?).

Thanks so much for your post about how the bins are weighed

I have looked over your useful maps and diagrams

At times I have read through stuff on FB page but obviously that just throws up a whole lot of confusion....I just recently went through all the FAQs on http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/category/frequenlty-asked-questions/page/4/

One question which I don't think there is a definitive answer to is....

The sighting/description of 3 youths that morning.....I can't find anything stating it was anything other than info given by bin lorry driver. The time of sighting (4.20ish), if correct, puts truck there for 20 mins....way over the time it actually takes to empty bin (we see bin lorries lifting & emptying rubbish bins on roadsides and it's quick)

If sighting of 3 people in the area is only coming from driver and not corroborated by cctv then that's a worry